Kyrie wants trade from CLE

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Originally Posted by Impose

Kyrie is far from perfect. But if you watched the Finals, you'd see one of the leagues most accomplished scorers at work. He was phenomenal, both this Finals and the one before.

Boogie for Kyrie certainly crossed my mind, I wouldnt hate it. But we'd have to get another center in the deal. Closest I can think of:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ych7wq5s

Chandler / AD
AD / Diallo
Hill / Miller
Jrue / Grits
Kyrie / Rondo

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if jrue was already under contract,,ill do a jrue for kyrie......we already have 2 stars in AD and cousins...kyrie would be that guard that can get 30pts at will and in my mind thats the only piece we are missing that will get us to the conference finals.....

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Pelicans just don't have enough to offer.

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Wrong.

Boogie.

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Originally Posted by lsutigers33

If for some strange out of this universe Cavs wanted 3 firsts and Asik, AA, Qpon, could we do it?

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3 is too many

Kyrie says he wants to be the leader of a team

Doesn't LeBron want out too?

Just let Bron leave and you have your wish Kyrie

I'd rather have Boogie than Kyrie and it really isn't close. That said, Kyrie is an animal and I'd trade the farm to make him the third player in a big 3, along with Boogie and AD. Sadly, most teams could offer a better package than us, so I'm not gonna give it a second thought.

The timing of this whole thing is really bizzare and it does make me wonder what Kyrie's reasoning is. Since we don't know the reason behind him asking to be traded, there's no way anyone can call it a cowardly move. What KD did was cowardly. This is just bizarre, selfish and probably foolish on Kyrie's part. But cowardly? That doesn't even make sense.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

I'd rather have Boogie than Kyrie and it really isn't close. That said, Kyrie is an animal and I'd trade the farm to make him the third player in a big 3, along with Boogie and AD. Sadly, most teams could offer a better package than us, so I'm not gonna give it a second thought.

The timing of this whole thing is really bizzare and it does make me wonder what Kyrie's reasoning is. Since we don't know the reason behind him asking to be traded, there's no way anyone can call it a cowardly move. What KD did was cowardly. This is just bizarre, selfish and probably foolish on Kyrie's part. But cowardly? That doesn't even make sense.

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Agreed, I don't see the cowardly bit unless it's joining GSW LOL

Let's just say the hypothetical that they would do something like Boogie and a piece or two.

I'm really torn on it. In a vacuum I would prefer Cousins. But having Kyrie locked in or another year has value. Cousins being able to walk is tough and I'd regret not doing the deal if he did.

However, I feel like we are all in as an organization with Cousins.

Kyrie is a really good player, but IMO he's not a #1 type of player if you know what I'm saying. Let me make it clear, I don't see him as a #1 for a title contending team. Unless he ends up going somewhere great, I think he will look back on this and wish he would of stayed with Lebron & tried for as many rings as possible.

He mentioned Miami & San Antonio as teams he would like to join. So while bored I made up 2 including us that would never happen lol.

TRADE:

HEAT:

Cavs: Goran Dragic, Omer Asik, Miami's 1st round pick, & our 1st round pick. (They figure they may lose Lebron, so they add a ton of picks. They could use a big center as well, but doubt Asik would be that guy lol)

Heat: Kyrie Irving

Pelicans: Iman Shumpert & Justice Winslow (I'd give up our first to get rid of Asik & add Winslow as long as he resigns with us)

SPURS:

Cavs: Lamarcus Aldridge, Tony Parker, & Spurs 1st round pick (dump a lot of salary, so next year they resign Lebron & sign CP3 for a year to go with Aldridge & Love to challenge the Warriors lol)

Spurs: Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson, & Solomon Hill (Hill is a Pop kind of player lol)

Pelicans: Danny Green (add that sweet shot to go with our current lineup would be tight. We would essentially be trading Hill for Green which wouldn't happen and I wouldn't give up a pick for 2 years of Green)

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Originally Posted by AusPel

3 is too many

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Lol. It would take the three 1sts just to dump our guys.

I would do whatever it took to get Kyrie on this team. He instantly gives us a serious championship team with an elite scoring guard. He would fit great next to Jrue who could play SG. Man Kyrie would be lethal with our 2 bigs. Please God somehow give us this kid.

You can tell how long I've been here by the archaic way I post pics.

I like that Heat scenario.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Kyrie says he wants to be the leader of a team

Doesn't LeBron want out too?

Just let Bron leave and you have your wish Kyrie

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Why wait on Lebron leaving? If I'm Cleveland, I'm on the phone with the Lakers to trade Lebron. James delivered the championship he promised, but the Cavs have also spent themselves into cap hell trying to put together the team he wants, he won't commit beyond this season, he's been openly critical of management and teammates, and he's sitting courtside watching a Lakers summer league game. Unless there's no way to repair the relationship with Kyrie, I'd ship out James and get a King's ransom.

so kyrie wanted to be traded before the draft to chicago to play with jimmy butler...so now i see why the t-wolves are on his list.....i know the t-wolves are not giving up wiggins so it looks like they are out unless the cavs take crawford and teague when they are available to be traded.....maybe get a third or 4th team involved.....

So apparently kyrie thinks LeBron leaked the trade news

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If u axed me 2yrs ago, a kyrie/AD pairing was like a wet dream for me lol. But i think AD-Boogie-holiday-rondo is a much better starting unit. Guess we'll just have to see how this season plays out tho...

If you could get Kyrie then flip him for Wall. I'd easily do multiple first and a swap for Kyrie. We don't have great assets but if the suns would ship Bledsoe to the cavs and we send our bad contracts for a couple first, I could see that happen. It's not like they were gonna take that for Bledsoe already. The only problem is the cavs would want something more.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc73ntsp

Rose signs with Cavs for min and can send a first or 2 for Melo
Rose, Bledsoe
Korver, Shump
James, Jefferson
Melo, love, Green
Love, Thompson

Pels
Kyrie(flip for Wall on same contract), Rondo, cook
Jrue, moore, jackson
Hill, miller, Cunningham
Davis diallo
Cousins, Ajinca

I'd try to flip ajinca and Moore for something right after.

Getting Kyrie would instantly change everything for us. Yes Lebron was great but that kid beat the Warriors for them last year and was just unguarable this year. He has championship experience and knows how to win. IMO he is a better scoring guard then Curry who is the better 3 point shooter but not by to much. Kyrie fits with AD/Boogie so much better then he does with Lebron/Love. He can do exactly what he does at an elite level here creating his own shot while also having 2 bigs like ours to dish off to for easy assist that he doesn't have in Cleveland. Lebron and Kyrie worked but IMO Kyrie is a great fit for Lebron but Lebron is a bad fit for Kyries game. Kid would take it to an MVP level here and make us a championship team. If we could somehow keep Jrue to play SG then watch out. IMO Kyrie is exactly what this team needs right now.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Getting Kyrie would instantly change everything for us. Yes Lebron was great but that kid beat the Warriors for them last year and was just unguarable this year. He has championship experience and knows how to win. IMO he is a better scoring guard then Curry who is the better 3 point shooter but not by to much. Kyrie fits with AD/Boogie so much better then he does with Lebron/Love. He can do exactly what he does at an elite level here creating his own shot while also having 2 bigs like ours to dish off to for easy assist that he doesn't have in Cleveland. Lebron and Kyrie worked but IMO Kyrie is a great fit for Lebron but Lebron is a bad fit for Kyries game. Kid would take it to an MVP level here and make us a championship team. If we could somehow keep Jrue to play SG then watch out. IMO Kyrie is exactly what this team needs right now.

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How would we even make the call with a straight face if we intend to keep Boogie? What would we offer?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

How would we even make the call with a straight face if we intend to keep Boogie? What would we offer?

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You ask what they want for him. If Bledsoe and melo is the cost then you try to get involved in a 4 way trade but of course Kyrie would have to say he doesn't want to play in Phoenix or NY. I'm sure we would be ok with giving up 2 first for kryie. Ideally we could give 1st to the suns and a 1st to NY with a lot of fillers.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

The timing of this whole thing is really bizzare.

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Cleveland has looked like it might be a sinking ship as soon as the idiot owner refused to bring back the well regarded GM. That only fueled the LeBron to LA speculation.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

You ask what they want for him. If Bledsoe and melo is the cost then you try to get involved in a 4 way trade but of course Kyrie would have to say he doesn't want to play in Phoenix or NY. I'm sure we would be ok with giving up 2 first for kryie. Ideally we could give 1st to the suns and a 1st to NY with a lot of fillers.

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i think its safe to say that melo dont want no part of the cavs now...melo is staying in NY or going to houston.........kyrie seem to want to play with jimmy butler as first choice.......now if im the cavs then kyrie dont hold no cards because of his contract so he go to whoever give the best offer or stay with the cavs this season....

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

If you could get Kyrie then flip him for Wall. I'd easily do multiple first and a swap for Kyrie. We don't have great assets but if the suns would ship Bledsoe to the cavs and we send our bad contracts for a couple first, I could see that happen. It's not like they were gonna take that for Bledsoe already. The only problem is the cavs would want something more.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc73ntsp

Rose signs with Cavs for min and can send a first or 2 for Melo
Rose, Bledsoe
Korver, Shump
James, Jefferson
Melo, love, Green
Love, Thompson

Pels
Kyrie(flip for Wall on same contract), Rondo, cook
Jrue, moore, jackson
Hill, miller, Cunningham
Davis diallo
Cousins, Ajinca

I'd try to flip ajinca and Moore for something right after.

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Rose would not start over bledsoe

how much is the tumble of the Cavs is media driven? I know they had "issues" last season, but they were on a roll in the playoffs until they met Golden State. Winning the way they did up until the finals had to remedy some of those internal issues

Why would you want a guy who wants to bolt from a team that played in the last three NBA finals? He is also a selfish score first PG and plays no defense

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Originally Posted by PolishFan

Why would you want a guy who wants to bolt from a team that played in the last three NBA finals? He is also a selfish score first PG and plays no defense

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Because he's a great friggin' scorer and probably the best finisher at the rim I've ever seen since Iverson.


Also some people are utterly convinced that Cousins leaves the moment the season is done so two years of Irving beats one year of Cousins. An absurd notion to me, quitting before the damn seasons started. Why even have a team at all if we're eventually doomed no matter how much better things get?

Two of the toughest to guard bigs in the league on the same team and there are those that think we can barely make the playoffs?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Because he's a great friggin' scorer and probably the best finisher at the rim I've ever seen since Iverson.


Also some people are utterly convinced that Cousins leaves the moment the season is done so two years of Irving beats one year of Cousins. An absurd notion to me, quitting before the damn seasons started. Why even have a team at all if we're eventually doomed no matter how much better things get?

Two of the toughest to guard bigs in the league on the same team and there are those that think we can barely make the playoffs?

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Not to mention one of the highest IQ guards in the league

Kyrie can flat out score and I think he may be the best scorer in the league but I can't discredit his inability to contribute in actual win shares. Clevena shad talent prior to lebron and they were flat out garbage every year with kyrie scoring and playing James harden defense. The difference is James harden carries his team to the playoffs and makes those around him better kyrie does none of that. I will take rondo and jrue over kyrie even though I would be intrigued with a jrue Irving swap I fee jrue is a better guard for us for some reason. I really hope jrue takes his scoring up a notch. Rondo will do wonders for us.

Fan trade from RealGM that caught my eye:

Minny out: wiggins /dieng

NO out: cousins

Cle out: kyrie

Minny gets the kyrie, kat, butler big 3

NO gets wiggins and Dieng to pair w Davis & Jrue

Cleveland gets picks and Cousins. Picks have to be involved because cousins is on last year


It's actually not too bad

I'm not a fan of giving up Cousins. Let alone for a for a B- like player like Wiggins. I would be all about adding talent instead of giving it away. Like to me right now we are 7-10 seeded team. If we made that deal I think we are a lock for the lottery

I too don't want to give up cousins. The only way would be is if we really suck going into the trade deadline then I may consider it. Other than that I'm moving a couple first maybe even 3 to get Kyrie. Worst case is he comes in and doesn't gel with the team and we move him for close to the same thing we give up. The bright side is we probably move a few of our bad contracts.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Fan trade from RealGM that caught my eye:

Minny out: wiggins /dieng

NO out: cousins

Cle out: kyrie

Minny gets the kyrie, kat, butler big 3

NO gets wiggins and Dieng to pair w Davis & Jrue

Cleveland gets picks and Cousins. Picks have to be involved because cousins is on last year


It's actually not too bad

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I hate that trade for us.

All in favor of suggesting trades involving Cousins resulting in a permaban, say aye!

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Because he's a great friggin' scorer and probably the best finisher at the rim I've ever seen since Iverson.


Also some people are utterly convinced that Cousins leaves the moment the season is done so two years of Irving beats one year of Cousins. An absurd notion to me, quitting before the damn seasons started. Why even have a team at all if we're eventually doomed no matter how much better things get?

Two of the toughest to guard bigs in the league on the same team and there are those that think we can barely make the playoffs?

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Yeah having the two best big men is a unique opportunity. If there are no injuries (I know it'a a big IF for this team:)) I think we can make some noise. Of course the team has to gel together but they have the whole summer for it (when was the last time we had all the players healthy or without any families issues during the camp?). Also we have great assistant coaches now both for the defense and offesne and considering the characters of the new guys maybe it's good we have Gentry - a friendly coach. He aint perfect but the assistants could make up for it :)

Regarding Kyrie I would still say no. He is a great finisher indeed but nothing else. Having two best big men I would prefer pass first guards who can defend. Wait, dont we actually have it? We need more shooting that's why Hill is becoming a very key player. I am really hoping he can be the guy we need and I saw flashes of that last season.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

All in favor of suggesting trades involving Cousins resulting in a permaban, say aye!

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let's ban them!!!

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

All in favor of suggesting trades involving Cousins resulting in a permaban, say aye!

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Aye!

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

All in favor of suggesting trades involving Cousins resulting in a permaban, say aye!

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Put me in the 'Aye' column...although I never discourage crazy ideas.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

All in favor of suggesting trades involving Cousins resulting in a permaban, say aye!

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Aye!

Kyrie may go play for the Washington Generals.....since he would be against the Harlem GLOBEtrotters.

Boom.

OK. I know that was lame.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

All in favor of suggesting trades involving Cousins resulting in a permaban, say aye!

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Aye

Getting Kyrie is more than a longshot, but what if we mortgaged the future say giving 2018, 2019 pick swap, 2020, and 2021 pick swap to a rebuilding team like maybe the Suns and they send Bledsoe to Cavs. Suns don't really need Kyrie as they are in a rebuild we could give most of the picks to Suns and some to Cavs. There would need to be more pieces (and picks probably) involved and maybe a 4th team as Cavs would need a more in the trade, but that's the only somewhat feasible trade idea I can come up with. Other teams can beat that offer, but we may be more desperate and willing to do whatever it takes. Also with many teams believing Cousins and AD may leave our future picks become more valuable in other teams' minds.

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Originally Posted by RekeHavoc

Getting Kyrie is more than a longshot, but what if we mortgaged the future say giving 2018, 2019 pick swap, 2020, and 2021 pick swap to a rebuilding team like maybe the Suns and they send Bledsoe to Cavs. Suns don't really need Kyrie as they are in a rebuild we could give most of the picks to Suns and some to Cavs. There would need to be more pieces (and picks probably) involved and maybe a 4th team as Cavs would need a more in the trade, but that's the only somewhat feasible trade idea I can come up with. Other teams can beat that offer, but we may be more desperate and willing to do whatever it takes. Also with many teams believing Cousins and AD may leave our future picks become more valuable in other teams' minds.

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My predictions for teams that Irving will go to, with absolutely no thought put into it.

Knicks, Heat, Suns, Bulls, Mavericks.

Yup.

I'd trade every 1st rounder necessary for Kyrie. It's not like we're going to get anyone major in the draft anyway. If it's not a lottery pick, then it's a crapshoot or a player that has to be groomed. The team we have now would place us in the sub 20-early 20s draft slot as it is. A core of AD, Boogie, Kyrie and Jrue will make us select in late 20s at the very end of the 1st round every year guaranteed. Who needs the draft when you have a nucleus like that. Only reason we wouldn't do that many 1st rounders is to hold on to them to use as assets in other trades. The picks lose value the more the team gel and win throughout the season. Might as well go all in now while there's a chance to add another elite player and while teams assume we won't be that good.

My non-Boogie trade for Kyrie

Obviously picks probably would need to be sent to Cleve and Phoenix from us. Maybe others from the other teams to each other. Attachment 6291

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

My non-Boogie trade for Kyrie

Obviously picks probably would need to be sent to Cleve and Phoenix from us. Maybe others from the other teams to each other. Attachment 6291

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highway robbery for the pels. but position wise it makes sense i think? but lol overall. because we're on the pels' side.

Hypothetical:
Cavs - Eric Bledsoe, E'twaun Moore 2019 pick swap, 2020 first round
Pels - Kyrie Irving
Suns - QPon, Ajinca, Toupane, Frye 2018 first round, 2021 pick swap, 2022 first round

Something like that, would be a lot of picks but probably worth the risk. Might have to be more involved or another team though

Cavs would probably trade the picks or we could incorporate a 4th team to give them more players.

Maybe Kyrie Irving is what Dealer Dell has up his sleeve this entire time

2018 1st, 2nd rounder. 2020 1st rounder all unprotected. Moore, Ajinca, Crawford

For Kyrie Irving

OR

2018, 2020, 2021 1sts plus, Moore, Ajinca, Cook