Pels @ Jazz (11-28-15)

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

You know what a good coach looks like, look at the other bench. Snyder is the real deal.

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Agree

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Originally Posted by Bert123

Without Ryno scoring our bench is nothing. He led us to our 3 win streak.

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Thats the problem with having almost nothing but one trick ponies on your roster. If Ryno is having a slump, Gordon isnt hitting threes, Ish isnt getting dimes because people are missing, Gee can't play good D, Asik can't protect the paint and everybody is reverting to the norm every where else in their skill set, you have a really ugly roster on your hands.

The only way this all works is when those utility players are not only doing what they are supposed to do consistently(which they aren't right now) but also most of them have to over excel in several other areas they aren't normally good at to have a chance(Which NONE are doing tonight).

at least LSU just scored to take the lead

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Originally Posted by 4Real

Agree

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I said that about Horny in Phx, and Synder in Utah, last year, and some people got upset and said I didn't know what I was talking about. Neither of those guys are in as favorable situations as ours, but they sure aren't showing that. Maybe they need to work on their charts, and presentations.

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Originally Posted by rt0307

at least LSU just scored to take the lead

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The Fire Les fest much more exciting than this game so far

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Thats the problem with having almost nothing but one trick ponies on your roster. If Ryno is having a slump, Gordon isnt hitting threes, Ish isnt getting dimes because people are missing, Gee can't play good D, Asik can't protect the paint and everybody is reverting to the norm every where else in their skill set, you have a really ugly roster on your hands.

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Biggest G of em all in Pop the master chief has numerous one trick ponies but he knows how to use em and put them in specific roles.

Gentry is just a tool who knows nowt bout nothin homie.

Unless we are on fire this team is brutal to watch but what do you expect when half of your roster was picked up off the street , cast offs from other teams . I'm frustrated but it's laughable to think that some actually think that Tyreke and Cole are gonna comeback and change anything I'm just not seeing it . I don't know what the answer is but we need to find a way to get Davis some help and fast .


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Its so sad to watch our offensive system , it's designed by s pre schooler it's that simple and our players still can't master it .
Watch how the Jazz play, look how they always find the open man with countless picks and dribble drives with dishes to the open man . It's so so sad how this team has become

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

Unless we are on fire this team is brutal to watch but what do you expect when half of your roster was picked up off the street , cast offs from other teams . I'm frustrated but it's laughable to think that some actually think that Tyreke and Cole are gonna comeback and change anything I'm just not seeing it . I don't know what the answer is but we need to find a way to get Davis some help and fast .


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Agree

Just do what Utah is doing. They don't have an AD. They don't have a lot of the pieces we have at the top of our roster, but they have a complete team. Keep AD, and move our other pieces to field a complete roster.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I said that about Horny in Phx, and Synder in Utah, last year, and some people got upset and said I didn't know what I was talking about. Neither of those guys are in as favorable situations as ours, but they sure aren't showing that. Maybe they need to work on their charts, and presentations.

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I m not off the Gentry train just yet but I think it is pretty clear he is not the type of coach that can "coach up" lesser players when injuries hit and create a cohesive unit to sneak out some wins.

Some coaches just aren't that type of coach and some guys excel at it but hit ceilings when they are loaded. The truly greats can do both but I never had any illusions Gentry would be a truly transitional type coach.

I don't like AD acting tough...he could hurt himself.

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Originally Posted by SilkySlim

Biggest G of em all in Pop the master chief has numerous one trick ponies but he knows how to use em and put them in specific roles.

Gentry is just a tool who knows nowt bout nothin homie.

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I wholly disagree there. Parker, Ginoboli, Duncan, Aldridge, Leonard, and Green are all two way players. Most with a multitude of good to great skill sets. All tied together by certain skillsets they almost all possess.

How many two way, or swiss army type players do we honestly have? Davis? Jrue(with his inconsistent offense and passing I am not even sure he can be put in that category), Qpon. Who else? Every other major player we have have severe critical flaws.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Its so sad to watch our offensive system , it's designed by s pre schooler it's that simple and our players still can't master it .
Watch how the Jazz play, look how they always find the open man with countless picks and dribble drives with dishes to the open man . It's so so sad how this team has become

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Woke up from a holiday nap, turned on the game and saw the score and came straight here to see your comments. They really help me feel better about the losing.
Sweet!

Anyone hear Gordon's squeaky "What?" on that call?

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I m not off the Gentry train just yet but I think it is pretty clear he is not the type of coach that can "coach up" lesser players when injuries hit and create a cohesive unit to sneak out some wins.

Some coaches just aren't that type of coach and some guys excel at it but hit ceilings when they are loaded. The truly greats can do both but I never had any illusions Gentry would be a truly transitional type coach.

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That's why I would love to see what either of those guys could do with AD and this roster. People complain about our injuries being the cause for our losses, no poor coaching is what's to blame for our losses. We have had AD in for most of our games, we have had Jrue, Ryno, EG and other competent roll players rolling out, but we have 4 wins. Heck, Gentry himself said that they couldn't blame injuries for how bad they were playing. These coaches need to coach the talent they have, not coach for the talent that's on the bench.

Would have rathered Thibs. But we got Gentry

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

That's why I would love to see what either of those guys could do with AD and this roster. People complain about our injuries being the cause for our losses, no poor coaching is what's to blame for our losses. We have had AD in for most of our games, we have had Jrue, Ryno, EG and other competent roll players rolling out, but we have 4 wins. Heck, Gentry himself said that they couldn't blame injuries for how bad they were playing. These coaches need to coach the talent they have, not coach for the talent that's on the bench.

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I mean even it we had Thibs of JVG I don't think it would be that big a difference. Maybe 2-3 more wins.

When fully healthy though, who's system do I honestly want running the show and taking us into the post season? I'll reserve judgement on Gentry until he gets some key players back fully healthy. I was one of the few here pumping Thibs but I actually do like the offensive system and Ermans system. I just think we have guys falling apart on the mental and preparation side.

Which may ultimately be an indictment of coaching if it remains through the season.

Uno how about this idea. Loomis cans Demps and brings in someone from Golden St. front office. Someone that Gentry is comfortable with working.

Where was that argument over whether or not they give Ish space? Cause that's what the last play at halftime was.

so at least we got it down to 9 by half

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Originally Posted by rt0307

so at least we got it down to 9 by half

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Which is kinda par for the course isnt it? The majority of games we seem to one up past performances with poor starts. 39 points against the Suns. Whatever that mess was tonight.

We just have to hope the 3rd quarter woes don't pop up as well. That seems to determine whether we will actually come back or not.

It's also why I put a lot of blame on players. Clearly most of these guys know what they need to be doing, they just don't do it. Be it defensive assignments, movement or pace.

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Originally Posted by 4Real

Uno how about this idea. Loomis cans Demps and brings in someone from Golden St. front office. Someone that Gentry is comfortable with working.

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I'm on board for that. Demps has done a mediocre job of constructing that roster, and I will take anyone to the mat who thinks otherwise. This team is a mess, and needs an identity. We don't have any more an identity than "that other New Orleans team".

I don't want to get rid of Gentry yet either. I would love to see him coach up the talent we have on this roster. Two of my biggest gripes with people on this board are 1) "well he is coaching guys who belong on the street." Who exactly belongs on the street, and if they do why are they here? Every guy on this roster belongs in the NBA, otherwise they wouldn't be here. 2) "Gentry is doing his best with the talent given to him." If that's his best, his best won't do. I think of Adelman running off 22 wins in a row with Houston, when during that streak they lost Yao, Mutombo, and others for the season, and were fielding TMac, Skip To My Lou, and Shane Battier as his big 3 for the final 10 games. No, that is doing your best. What Gentry is doing is treading water. I want more!

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

You know what a good coach looks like, look at the other bench. Snyder is the real deal.

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So 38-44 with a good roster is a good coach? They have a healthy team and a bench that is at all that bad. If we finish below .500 Gentry is terrible yet Snyder is a good coach. I don't understand the logic you use sometimes. Not saying Snyder isn't a good coach but his record last year is a perfect example hay coaches need players to win which you think is an excuse. Gentry is missing 3 key players along with multiple other guys being inured throughout the season and restrictions. Our play tonight is bad but all of those things definitely factor in. Utah has had some very bad games also with a fully healthy roster.

Fournette taking control of the LSU game

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

So 38-44 with a good roster is a good coach? They have a healthy team and a bench that is at all that bad. If we finish below .500 Gentry is terrible yet Snyder is a good coach. I don't understand the logic you use sometimes. Not saying Snyder isn't a good coach but his record last year is a perfect example hay coaches need players to win which you think is an excuse. Gentry is missing 3 key players along with multiple other guys being inured throughout the season and restrictions. Our play tonight is bad but all of those things definitely factor in. Utah has had some very bad games also with a fully healthy roster.

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Maybe you are right, maybe I am overselling AD and underselling Hayward. The Jazz have a complete roster, but don't have as many "stars" as we do. Would you switch our roster last year for the Jazz? Of course not. But Snyder had those guys fighting for a playoff spot until the last two weeks when we pulled away.

This year without an AD, or a Jrue Snyder has that team playing .500 ball, and they too have dealt with injuries (Gobert, Hood, others on limited min.) but they have beat solid competition. No they aren't missing Jesus Shuttlesworth like we are apparently (Reke), but that hasn't stopped them. Snyder is the better coach of the two.

Send Asik on the plane back to NOLA right now.

See like that play when Gee made the deflection but the Jazz recovered. Davis has no know the personnel. You let him take that three every time.

Giving Asik that contract is much worse than Gordon's contract

Is Jrue dead? What's going on there?

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Originally Posted by PelicanFever

Giving Asik that contract is much worse than Gordon's contract

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Well, the guy giving out both of those contracts should be run out of town on a rail.

Asik has turned into an unplayable player....At 60 million dollars.

Demps has officially set the groundwork for Gordon's replacement as team contract albatross.

What is even more disgusting is we gave up a first for the luxury of paying him 60 million to sit on the bench.

It's not Gentrys fault it's the surplus of non NBA players that Dell has brought to this team Dell needs to go asap we need some fresh minds making some decisions


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Damn, that AD block!

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Asik has turned into an unplayable player....At 60 million dollars.

Demps has officially set the groundwork for Gordon's replacement as team contract albatross.

What is even more disgusting is we gave up a first for the luxury of paying him 60 million to sit on the bench.

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We should have asked Gentry to show us his charts for Asik. Lol!

"So Alvin, these charts showcasing AD are great, but what do you have showing how you will use Asik?"

"I left those in the cab. But trust me, they are colorful, and well done."

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

It's not Gentrys fault it's the surplus of non NBA players that Dell has brought to this team Dell needs to go asap we need some fresh minds making some decisions


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I have always said that Demps was this organizations biggest problem. People love to credit him for all his diamond in the ruff role players but those guys don't make you a champion unless you first have the core nucleus in place. When it comes to that Demps has left a lot to be desired.


......On the game, Ryno must not read scouting reports. Its the only explanation I have. All game he has over committed to the wrong players and sagged off or hesitated to close out on the players he shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

It's not Gentrys fault it's the surplus of non NBA players that Dell has brought to this team Dell needs to go asap we need some fresh minds making some decisions


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But who exactly? Who are these non-NBA players? I'm not saying Demps isn't a mediocre gm who I wouldn't trust my first round pick, or fantasy basketball team with, but who are these players? Is it Gee? Douglas? Who? Gee was a solid signing, Douglas can get cut whenever we want.

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Originally Posted by PelicanFever

Giving Asik that contract is much worse than Gordon's contract

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And the GM that gave those contracts ?

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I have always said that Demps was this organizations biggest problem. People love to credit him for all his diamond in the ruff role players but those guys don't make you a champion unless you first have the core nucleus in place. When it comes to that Demps has left a lot to be desired.


......On the game, Ryno must not read scouting reports. Its the only explanation I have. All game he has over committed to the wrong players and sagged off or hesitated to close out on the players he shouldn't be.

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Which is why I fear him having all this cap room this summer, and probably having a lottery pick to boot. I feel bad things are in store for us if Demps is here this offseason.

We make a run, then jazz, and then us, then jazz. I hate it.

It's amazing how many points Davis could average if he was on a good team

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

But who exactly? Who are these non-NBA players? I'm not saying Demps isn't a mediocre gm who I wouldn't trust my first round pick, or fantasy basketball team with, but who are these players? Is it Gee? Douglas? Who? Gee was a solid signing, Douglas can get cut whenever we want.

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Ish is not a starting PG in this league. A solid 8th or 9th guy off the bench? Sure. Gee isnt either. Both are essentially starters right now when on a playoff roster they might get 10 minutes combined.

Asik is not built for this system. Any hopes he would play like in Houston are pretty much gone. This is the one matchup so far he should of found success and he can't.

So that is 3 of 5 starters that shouldn't be on the court. Ryno and Davis will always be a streaky duo because neither is in their comfort zones defensively.

We consistently have 1-4 players on the court that shouldn't be in their assigned roles and responsibilities.

I've seen so many plays by the Jazz today that are so sweet on offense that I've never ever seen from the pels all season

That ingles guy thinks he is all good.

I hate to say this but we're seeing to much Ish right now. We need less Ish

Every last quarter shot has been designed for ish smith to score . A guy who shouldn't be on this team .. That's how dumb this quad is

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Which is why I fear him having all this cap room this summer, and probably having a lottery pick to boot. I feel bad things are in store for us if Demps is here this offseason.

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I agree and I hope he isnt. It really should of been a fresh break this past offseason. Tell Demps sorry we just need to create some long term organizational structure from top to bottom and don't have the patience to keep playing the hot seat game with different aspects of the organization. Brought in a new GM and got him to pick his coach and re-shuffle the roster.

Damn we stay losing. 4-13.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Ish is not a starting PG in this league. A solid 8th or 9th guy off the bench? Sure. Gee isnt either. Both are essentially starters right now when on a playoff roster they might get 10 minutes combined.

Asik is not built for this system. Any hopes he would play like in Houston are pretty much gone. This is the one matchup so far he should of found success and he can't.

So that is 3 of 5 starters that shouldn't be on the court. Ryno and Davis will always be a streaky duo because neither is in their comfort zones defensively.

We consistently have 1-4 players on the court that shouldn't be in their assigned roles and responsibilities.

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I can see Douglas as being the lone "what's he doing here?" Player, but Gee had a good season last year, and Ish has been in the top 5 among guards in the asst/to ratio. Neither would log starter mins, but both have shown that they belong in the NBA.

Anybody want to jump on the Anderson for Rudy gay train.