Tank?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

You remember when people were saying, "We are saving our strength for Portland." Then is was, " Portland was healthier." Then it was, "Well GS is setting everyone on fire." Then it was, "Well it's only 4 games." And then it was, "but we took them to the buzzer." Now it's, ...?

There is always an excuse, but the fact is we are 0-6, and we are worse than we were last year (healthy or not).

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What I've been saying all along and I got accused of wanted to blow up the team and not being a real fan. I was just saying it like it is.

The Pelicans need to tank. They need to sign Harrison Barnes, Mike Conley, Terrence Jones and Festus Ezeli. Let Gordon, Anderson, and Cole walk. Draft Jaylen Brown and trade Jrue holiday and Asik as a salary dump. . Starters: Conley, Pondexter, Barnes, Davis, Ezeli. Bench Evans, Brown, Babbitt, Jones, Ajinca. This team would be great defensively.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Here’s a look at the four teams since 1999-2000 that started 0-5 yet still made the playoffs that year.

2001-02: Philadelphia 76ers (finished 43-39; lost in the first round of the conference playoffs)
2003-04: Miami Heat (finished 42-40; lost in the semifinals of the conference playoffs)
2004-05: Chicago Bulls (finished 47-35; lost in the first round of the conference playoffs)
2007-08: Washington Wizards (finished 43-39; lost in the first round of the conference playoffs)

If we are going to be lottery bound, we might want to make it count. I submit sucking for Simmons. Get Batman his Robin.

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How many of those teams were missing half of the top of their rosters?

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Originally Posted by Bert123

The Pelicans need to tank. They need to sign Harrison Barnes, Mike Conley, Terrence Jones and Festus Ezeli. Let Gordon, Anderson, and Cole walk. Draft Jaylen Brown and trade Jrue holiday and Asik as a salary dump. . Starters: Conley, Pondexter, Barnes, Davis, Ezeli. Bench Evans, Brown, Babbitt, Jones, Ajinca. This team would be great defensively.

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Mission impossible?

I am against tank, reason 1 in 2-3 weeks we will have everyone back unless we have other set back we will finish 500 even if we start 0-10
reason 2, lotto is never a sure thing I rather trade that #1 + filter for DMC and hire JVG. Reke, EG, Q, AD and DMC

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Originally Posted by luckyman

How many of those teams were missing half of the top of their rosters?

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Good point. We will probably do worse than starting 0-5.

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Originally Posted by BlueJay

Mission impossible?

I am against tank, reason 1 in 2-3 weeks we will have everyone back unless we have other set back we will finish 500 even if we start 0-10
reason 2, lotto is never a sure thing I rather trade that #1 + filter for DMC and hire JVG. Reke, EG, Q, AD and DMC

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I have resigned myself to is not having a shot at Durant, so our best bet to land our 2nd big player might just be what you are saying. Either way, we this is a lottery team, so we need to plan accordingly.

I'll put this here again but the best team in the league in a similar situation:

Curry
Brandon Rush
James McAdoo
Draymond Green
Festus Ezeli

With Klay Thompson on a minutes/b2b restriction. So he wouldn't have played against us back on 10/31.

Backups:

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Barbosa
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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I have resigned myself to is not having a shot at Durant, so our best bet to land our 2nd big player might just be what you are saying. Either way, we this is a lottery team, so we need to plan accordingly.

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Agree. Let us not screw that up.

Fact is that we need a young stud.

This is the perfect year to tank and get a top 3 pick.

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

Fact is that we need a young stud.

This is the perfect year to tank and get a top 3 pick.

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Oh, we will tank. Rest assured the front office is already 3 steps ahead of us on that one.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I'll put this here again but the best team in the league in a similar situation:

Curry
Brandon Rush
James McAdoo
Draymond Green
Festus Ezeli

With Klay Thompson on a minutes/b2b restriction. So he wouldn't have played against us back on 10/31.

Backups:

??
Barbosa
??
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??

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You also forgot to mention, Luke Walton isn't coaching that team, but a kid from a Make a Wish event. Man, we stink.

I have two fears:

1. This team is bad enough to get a top 5 pick.

2. Dell won't accept that and trades away our pick before the trade deadline.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I'll put this here again but the best team in the league in a similar situation:

Curry
Brandon Rush
James McAdoo
Draymond Green
Festus Ezeli

With Klay Thompson on a minutes/b2b restriction. So he wouldn't have played against us back on 10/31.

Backups:

??
Barbosa
??
??
??

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Cp3 25 mins Pablo gettin 30 mins

JJ

Dawson

Blake

Smith

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

Cp3 25 mins Pablo gettin 30 mins

JJ

Dawson

Blake

Smith

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Yes. Would be a sad frog for any team going through this injury madness. Nobody is deep enough for this.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I have resigned myself to is not having a shot at Durant, so our best bet to land our 2nd big player might just be what you are saying. Either way, we this is a LATElottery team, so we need to plan accordingly.

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Unless you shut Jrue/Reke/AD down for the season, no way we land top 5.

Very eager to see what happen when Reke back early Dec, maybe he is the different maker everyone underestimated.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

How many of those teams were missing half of the top of their rosters?

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I'm warning you just give up on being logical I already did. Even though 99% agree with you there is a few that just don't understand the injury factor and will ignore that in every way possible and beat their fist at nauseum to blow everything up.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

I'm warning you just give up on being logical I already did. Even though 99% agree with you there is a few that just don't understand the injury factor and will ignore that in every way possible and beat their fist at nauseum to blow everything up.

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It's ad nauseam, and this isn't just injuries.


Mmmk

If this season does turn bad which I don't think it will then I would love to get Simmons of course. If we don't land the first pick I would rather trade for Boogie Cousins or Paul George. Either one of those guys would be exactly what we need. Cousins would give us the most dominant big man duo hands down and even rival some of the best of all time. George would be great giving us one of the top SFs in the NBA at our weakest position. I think both could be had for a lottery pick and the only way I wouldn't move it for them is if we had the 1st pick with the shot to get Simmons. So I guess I would hold onto the pick until after we see where we place in the lottery but like I said both players I think could be had for a lottery pick towards the top and would rather go that route instead of hoping one of those players turns out to be what is expected. Trade for Cousins and sign Barnes now that would be one hell of an offseason giving us a championship contending team if you ask me.

I think both Paul george or cousins would cost more than a lottery pick, regardless a jrue tyreke george ad asik lineup could be devastatingly good, both offensively and defensively.

What lineup is better?

Jrue tyreke george ad asik
Jrue tyreke qpon ad cousins

Trade for cousins, sign bradley beal

Jrue beal tyreke ad cousins

Championship.

Damnit people

We lost 3 games we shouldn't have.

That's not the end of the world.

Yes it's tank time. Go ahead and move Ryno and Gordon. Get younger and faster by any means necessary. Get whatever you can for them. Don't be picky. Let Tyreke rest until he's fully healthy. Keep Jrue on the minute restriction. If the team makes a run because AD starts going off then that's cool. But this team needs to start finding their true identity. Most of the guys on this roster won't be here when the team is ready and if they are playing like this it doesn't make since to keep them around. Try to groom/find ADs true supporting cast



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Another fail from demps, how long it gonna take until we realize he is part of the problem?

Jrue or Noel and Payton?

We all know what the correct answer is.

What's the point in battling back to a 37-45 record?

WHY is the prevailing thought we would've drafted Noel?

I'm anti tank because in all likelihood Dell is gonna trade the pick for an injured young vet. I'd rather build with what we've got

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

I'm anti tank because in all likelihood Dell is gonna trade the pick for an injured young vet. I'd rather build with what we've got

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I doubt it.

There's no way he'll throw away another 1st rounder unless it was for a game changer like Paul George

Tank/Total rebuilding=Unhappy AD
Unhappy AD may fly away from NO like CP3 did. Because he wants to win.
I see the scenario when Dell trades away the pick to help team short term. To remain as a GM.

Indi might trade PG but only for AD.
GSW will match any offers for Barnes.

Our only chance to add quality pieces like Free agents is to play good...

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

People need to realize that tanking for a draft player sets the franchise back at least 3 years. Do we really want that? Rookies take time to develop.

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Tanking doesn't necessarily set a franchise back. Usually if a franchise is bad enough to tank it's already behind several years. As someone pointed out Robinson being injuried lead to the Spurs getting Duncan and it didn't set them back at all.

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Originally Posted by pawel

Tank/Total rebuilding=Unhappy AD
Unhappy AD may fly away from NO like CP3 did. Because he wants to win.
I see the scenario when Dell trades away the pick to help team short term. To remain as a GM.

Indi might trade PG but only for AD.
GSW will match any offers for Barnes.

Our only chance to add quality pieces like Free agents is to play good...

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Incomplete equation. Let's say we end up bottom 3 and get the top pick and select Ben Simmons now we hypothetically have the star to pair Davis with on a rookie contract no less.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

I'm anti tank because in all likelihood Dell is gonna trade the pick for an injured young vet. I'd rather build with what we've got

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That's going above and beyond the realisim spectrum.

Yeah, we did that with Jrue, but Philly played us with some seriously shady crap. You make it seem like we did it on purpose. And absolutely no way if we won the lottery would we trade that pick unless we are doing some kind of sign and trade deal to get Durant.

Let's say we don't get fully healthy until we are 20 games in, and are 4-16. We'd have to go like 21-41 over the final 62 to have a realistic chance at a top pick.

Is that enough logic to stop this silly thread or are you guys gonna continue with the overreaction?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's say we don't get fully healthy until we are 20 games in, and are 4-16. We'd have to go like 21-41 over the final 62 to have a realistic chance at a top pick.

Is that enough logic to stop this silly thread or are you guys gonna continue with the overreaction?

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Quoted for future lulz.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's say we don't get fully healthy until we are 20 games in, and are 4-16. We'd have to go like 21-41 over the final 62 to have a realistic chance at a top pick.

Is that enough logic to stop this silly thread or are you guys gonna continue with the overreaction?

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If we start off 4-16 and don't tank, you wouldn't be a little frustrated?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Tanking doesn't necessarily set a franchise back. Usually if a franchise is bad enough to tank it's already behind several years. As someone pointed out Robinson being injuried lead to the Spurs getting Duncan and it didn't set them back at all.

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But logically speaking the odds of this occuring again is so slim. Besides the Spurs what other situation and how often has that acutally happen? The lateral normally points to a disgruntled superstar, a overhaul of management, and new regime/growing process which sounds very familiar to this organization. What was the result of that?

It's been like that.

And it's no better on SaintsReport today. Or TigerDroppings.

*sigh* Just a miserable weekend. Been a while since all three of my teams lost at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

But logically speaking the odds of this occuring again is so slim. Besides the Spurs what other situation and how often has that acutally happen? The lateral normally points to a disgruntled superstar, a overhaul of management, and new regime/growing process which sounds very familiar to this organization. What was the result of that?

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The team isn't bad enough to tank. Guys are coming back. Now, if AD goes down for the year, we can have this convo legitimately, but not now

I don't want my team to tank, I want to see them as a fully healthy team and watch them play good basketball!

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

But logically speaking the odds of this occuring again is so slim. Besides the Spurs what other situation and how often has that acutally happen? The lateral normally points to a disgruntled superstar, a overhaul of management, and new regime/growing process which sounds very familiar to this organization. What was the result of that?

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I guess my point is if a team is tanking they are already several years behind not the other way around. Either way like many have said the only way we tank is to trade away the majority of our core players.

I don't think we'll be in position to tank however this is looking like a wasted year.

No year is wasted. Within the vacuum of the year, maybe. But there are always things to learn and individual areas to improve.

I mean, where do we draw the line on whether a year is "wasted"? 29 teams don't win the title. Do we say that all playoff teams had a worthwhile year and the rest wasted one? That doesn't seem right to me. Can't be that simple

I've always been of the mindset, that I either want my team to make the playoffs or tank for a top pick. Worst case scenario to me is we get healthy and are a .500 team from that point on. Bad enough to miss the playoffs, but not bad enough to get a legit star in the draft.

In theory, that is worst case but it depends on your situation. Losing begets a losing culture. Winning, a winning one. You put THESE guys in a position to lose, and it won't matter what star 19 year old you bring in, they won't have the type of mentality you want.

I don't think people are truly thinking about what ranking would do to these players and this franchise in reality. You are thinking about it like it is 2K.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

You are not smart and nobody would ever care about your opinion on this subject. Happy?

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I don't think advocating for a top pick, because our team is playing bad basketball, makes someone unintelligent. Impatient perhaps, but not dumb. I'm not throwing in the towel and on the tank train. I sincerely hope we turn this thing around and get healthy and start winning games. I'm just not very optimistic at this point, mainly because of the coaching staff/system. It's not because we're 0-6. I wasn't happy with the hire when we made it. I really wanted JVG and when I saw we hired Gentry instead, I got pretty upset. I calmed down and decided to see where things went, but in the small sample size we've had so far, I thinks my fears well legitimate. We don't have the guard play to effectively run this system. I think Reke and Cole will improve things, but not drastically. As long as AD is healthy, I don't think a top 5 pick is realistic, so I'm still hopeful we can turn things around. If we haven't turned things around by January, then I'll get on the tank train. I'm not there yet.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

No year is wasted. Within the vacuum of the year, maybe. But there are always things to learn and individual areas to improve.

I mean, where do we draw the line on whether a year is "wasted"? 29 teams don't win the title. Do we say that all playoff teams had a worthwhile year and the rest wasted one? That doesn't seem right to me. Can't be that simple

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It's a year wasted if the team doesn't show significant improvements. The decision to trade away draft picks put us on an accelerated clock and marginal improvements or even worse a slight step back is a wasted season. I dont subscribe to the thought that you win a title or you failed. However each individual franchise have their own goals based on several things.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's say we don't get fully healthy until we are 20 games in, and are 4-16. We'd have to go like 21-41 over the final 62 to have a realistic chance at a top pick.

Is that enough logic to stop this silly thread or are you guys gonna continue with the overreaction?

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I didn't realize that my silly thread would be taken so seriously. That would be like implying that you seriously expected the Pelicans to go 0-3 when you made that prediction last week on the "In The NO Podcast and just wasn't being silly. Or that you seriously believe Ryan will decipher one of your obscure Hip-Hop references and aren't just having fun. BTW, I prefer the Jarron Benton and Run-D.M.C.'s Adidas references to yours but I wouldn't criticize you or race you to the top of Timpanogos Cave over it.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It's a year wasted if the team doesn't show significant improvements. The decision to trade away draft picks put us on an accelerated clock and marginal improvements or even worse a slight step back is a wasted season. I dont subscribe to the thought that you win a title or you failed. However each individual franchise have their own goals based on several things.

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I 100% agree that it is a wasted season if the team doesn't show improvement. But not making the playoffs doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with that. Let's say we were an 80 by the end of last year. Now, we have taken a big step back due to growing pains, and mostly injuries. We are a 65. However, over the last two months we are playing at an 88 level, but we didn't make the playoffs because of the big hole that we started in.

In your opinion, in that exact scenario, is it a wasted season? Because that is what I am talking about when I say I don't think a non-playoff season is necessarily a lost season.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I 100% agree that it is a wasted season if the team doesn't show improvement. But not making the playoffs doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with that. Let's say we were an 80 by the end of last year. Now, we have taken a big step back due to growing pains, and mostly injuries. We are a 65. However, over the last two months we are playing at an 88 level, but we didn't make the playoffs because of the big hole that we started in.

In your opinion, in that exact scenario, is it a wasted season? Because that is what I am talking about when I say I don't think a non-playoff season is necessarily a lost season.

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Exactly.

Lets face it we only made the playoffs because AD hit a lucky shot against OKC to take the series.
Because we made the playoffs last year everyone's expectations are playoffs this year and maybe even getting out of the first round.

These guy's have a steep learning curve and the injuries AGAIN aren't helping.
I think with everyone healthy we would still only be 3-3.