PELS Interested In Jeff Green

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Originally Posted by PeliKhan

Three team trade:

-Gordon & Freddete to Hornets
-Stephenson & 1st rounder to Boston
-Jeff Green & PJ Hairston to NOLA

If we could get Hornets to buy into Gordon then this trade is possible. He is only 25, and it just feels like he would fit in perfectly with them.

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I think this is more realistic than people are giving credit for. The Hornets are DESPERATE to get rid of Stephenson. All the Hornets guys on RealGM would do a Gordon-Stephenson swap in a heartbeat.

Ainge is reportedly trying to get rid of:

Nelson
Crowder
Wallace
Green

Maybe now's when we can get rid of Gordon?

Gordon/1st
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Green/Crowder

Why would Boston do us the solid of taking Gordon for a first they can get elsewhere for green?

I like green but I think wilson Chandler would be a better because of the team option 2nd year. If that can't happen I would do some kind of CONDITIONAL first for green.

I think gordon would have to be in play so a three way with hornets sounds reasonable if they really want to get rid of lance.

The other trade with only Boston I'd do too but have to be today so we have options to trade wallace before the trade deadline. Also no Nelson which I'm not sure we could get anyway cause Boston just got him.

Our 1st round pic will be more enticing than the other teams that are interested in Green.

The whole "not getting to the playoffs since Chris Paul left" thing.

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

Our 1st round pic will be more enticing than the other teams that are interested in Green.

The whole "not getting to the playoffs since Chris Paul left" thing.

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No it won't.

What the hell is Boston's plan?

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

No....Gordon will be back in 2-3 weeks.
Green has two years left on his contract so we can't use the injury thingo.

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He was talking about the injured player exemption. 5.6 mil i think.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

He was talking about the injured player exemption. 5.6 mil i think.

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Yes. And Aussie answered it. Gordon is coming back so therefor the exemption isn't possible and even if he was we couldn't get Green because he has 2 years in him deal ( player option doesn't matter).

Could we proactively offer Boston our pick next year
if it doesn't go to Houston?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Yes. And Aussie answered it. Gordon is coming back so therefor the exemption isn't possible and even if he was we couldn't get Green because he has 2 years in him deal ( player option doesn't matter).

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I know there were just rumors that if he was out for longer than the 2-3 weeks that we could possibly get some exemption. I didn't think it was set in stone for certain he was returning other than an occasional "he's going to try to return" from Joel.

The 2 year deal thing makes sense though. If Gordon doesn't return for some reason that exemption still might be an option just somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

Could we proactively offer Boston our pick next year
if it doesn't go to Houston?

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After we acquire the pick yes, but I don't think it's possible to do that while Houston still has a possibility of having our pick next year.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I know there were just rumors that if he was out for longer than the 2-3 weeks that we could possibly get some exemption. I didn't think it was set in stone for certain he was returning other than an occasional "he's going to try to return" from Joel.

The 2 year deal thing makes sense though. If Gordon doesn't return for some reason that exemption still might be an option just somewhere else.

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Yes. That's true. If Gordon can't play we basically have until Jan 15th to apply for the exemption. Gordon can attempt to come back and if it doesn't work he can opt for the surgery and we can still get it.

But Green isn't an option at all. Even if we got the exemption his contract is too long and he is also owed too much money.

Maybe it's why Rivers and Withey have been getting so much playing time.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

Maybe it's why Rivers and Withey have been getting so much playing time.

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I guess it's possible. Tho Rivers I think is getting PT because he's our best guard off the bench.

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

Could we proactively offer Boston our pick next year
if it doesn't go to Houston?

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I think the way it works is if Houston doesn't get the pick, we have to make the pick. Can't be traded because there is a chance that Houston gets our pick next year and that can't happen(consecutive year thing). We could make the pick for someone and then trade them and that would work but how would you word that in a trade now. If you want to trade a first its all contingent on when Houston gets theirs. So if Houston doesn't get the pick for 2 years Boston wouldn't get a first for 4years. That's why I don't think Boston does it unless a third party gets involved.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

I think the way it works is if Houston doesn't get the pick, we have to make the pick. Can't be traded because there is a chance that Houston gets our pick next year and that can't happen(consecutive year thing). We could make the pick for someone and then trade them and that would work but how would you word that in a trade now. If you want to trade a first its all contingent on when Houston gets theirs. So if Houston doesn't get the pick for 2 years Boston wouldn't get a first for 4years. That's why I don't think Boston does it unless a third party gets involved.

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That's basically how it works as far as the Houston trade goes. We get the pick or they do. If we get it we can do a draft day trade or just keep the player.

The part I'm not certain about is the rules about trading another 1st when we already owe a conditional one. If it was a specific year pick then that makes it easy to understand. However because of the weird structure of the Houston pick I don't know how we would word another 1st.

Gordon would be a much more valuable trading piece if next year wasn't a player option. Dammit.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

No it won't.

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When the other teams interested are Memphis and Clippers,

our pick is more enticing. It will be perceived as a higher pick given the Grizzlies/Clippers playoffs history over the past several years.

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Originally Posted by BP225

If we make a trade with Boston for a SF it won't be Green. We don't have the assets to make that happen. But Ainge is reportedly shopping Crowder already who they picked up in the Rondo trade. He doesn't have great production, only a 12.9 PER, but his skill set fits our needs pretty well, can defend multiple positions and hit the corner 3. In many ways he'd be like Cunningham, not a great player but plugs some holes that very much need plugging, especially after seeing Salmons do his thing last night.

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

When the other teams interested are Memphis and Clippers,

our pick is more enticing. It will be perceived as a higher pick given the Grizzlies/Clippers playoffs history over the past several years.

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Not when the pick could potentially be 4 or 5 years from now.

We would have to take on Wallace if we trade Gordon. Don't see a way around that. Wallace has two years left. Could we let him go and stretch the contract?

Can we even trade Gordon if he is injured?

If we took Wallace in a Gordon trade, he'd be easier to move.

Portland has reportedly wanted him back. Just don't know how long we'd have to keep him before trading.

AND KEEP HIM FAR AWAY FROM RYNO!

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

When the other teams interested are Memphis and Clippers,

our pick is more enticing. It will be perceived as a higher pick given the Grizzlies/Clippers playoffs history over the past several years.

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Are they really the only only two teams interested? I don't even understand the Clippers interest when they have Barnes.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Are they really the only only two teams interested? I don't even understand the Clippers interest when they have Barnes.

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They are the only two teams I've seen reported with interest.
Barnes has been stinking it up this year.

Let's send them Jimmer.

Jimmer was a 1st round pick.

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

Let's send them Jimmer.

Jimmer was a 1st round pick.

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If we sent them Jimmer AND Rivers, we should be able to get Green and a 1st back :D

I really do not understand the infatuation with Jeff Green. He is an ultra high usage guy who is a mediocre three point shooter. Only 30% catch and shoot %. He's not a great defender, he's not a great rebounder, he's inconsistent , he arguably lacks court vision and has questionable BBIQ.

I feel like people get enamored with his measurables, his big games on a bad team and potential.... Potential of a 27 year old.

Give me Wilson Chandler over Jeff Green any day. I'd rather a Swiss army knife player like Chandler who is a 40% catch and shoot player, is a willing and above average defender, can board, has good IQ , is relatively consistent, 39% 3p on 6 attempts a game, and is complimentary to the pieces we already have.


So can someone sell me on why we should go after Jeff Green as our longterm piece at SF?

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I really do not understand the infatuation with Jeff Green. He is an ultra high usage guy who is a mediocre three point shooter. Only 30% catch and shoot %. He's not a great defender, he's not a great rebounder, he's inconsistent , he arguably lacks court vision and has questionable BBIQ.

I feel like people get enamored with his measurables, his big games on a bad team and potential.... Potential of a 27 year old.

Give me Wilson Chandler over Jeff Green any day. I'd rather a Swiss army knife player like Chandler who is a 40% catch and shoot player, is a willing and above average defender, can board, has good IQ , is relatively consistent, 39% 3p on 6 attempts a game, and is complimentary to the pieces we already have.


So can someone sell me on why we should go after Jeff Green as our longterm piece at SF?

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I say hold tight for Draymond!

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Originally Posted by Caffeinedisastr

They are the only two teams I've seen reported with interest.
Barnes has been stinking it up this year.

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Between Barnes and Crawford they are fine at SF. That move doesn't seem to make a ton of sense for them.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I really do not understand the infatuation with Jeff Green. He is an ultra high usage guy who is a mediocre three point shooter. Only 30% catch and shoot %. He's not a great defender, he's not a great rebounder, he's inconsistent , he arguably lacks court vision and has questionable BBIQ.

I feel like people get enamored with his measurables, his big games on a bad team and potential.... Potential of a 27 year old.

Give me Wilson Chandler over Jeff Green any day. I'd rather a Swiss army knife player like Chandler who is a 40% catch and shoot player, is a willing and above average defender, can board, has good IQ , is relatively consistent, 39% 3p on 6 attempts a game, and is complimentary to the pieces we already have.


So can someone sell me on why we should go after Jeff Green as our longterm piece at SF?

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I want a SF NOW!

I think it's more likely they go after Crowder and Nelson. But since they were just traded, they can't be traded again until February?

If Memphis really is trying, they will get Green before us. Prince isn't too much of a drop off from Green and has veteran leadership.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

I say hold tight for Draymond!

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I think draymond is out of our price range unless we forgo Asik. Which I don't want to and can't see us doing.

Wilson Chandler - if Denver likely declines his option and can't trade him - Would be our best bet. He has a sketchy injury history which is my only red flag, but, under the right deal I would gladly take him.

Green to the Pelicans, would be the best Christmas present I our received.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I really do not understand the infatuation with Jeff Green. He is an ultra high usage guy who is a mediocre three point shooter. Only 30% catch and shoot %. He's not a great defender, he's not a great rebounder, he's inconsistent , he arguably lacks court vision and has questionable BBIQ.

I feel like people get enamored with his measurables, his big games on a bad team and potential.... Potential of a 27 year old.

Give me Wilson Chandler over Jeff Green any day. I'd rather a Swiss army knife player like Chandler who is a 40% catch and shoot player, is a willing and above average defender, can board, has good IQ , is relatively consistent, 39% 3p on 6 attempts a game, and is complimentary to the pieces we already have.


So can someone sell me on why we should go after Jeff Green as our longterm piece at SF?

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Agreed. Jeff Green would be one of the absolute worst players that we could add to this team. If Dell actually gives up anything of value for him, it would be a big hit for this franchise moving forward.

I just don't see how me make a major trade without moving one of the core four not named Davis. No way anyone takes EJ's contract unless we take something as bad back. He'll be a trade asset next year at this time (assuming he doesn't opt out), but not now. We could make a deal to improve our bench with a veteran player or two possibly using Rivers as bait (he's been showing out lately), but I'd rather no deal than a reach deal that, at most, would help us get to the 8th spot this year. To me it looks more and more like the offseason or next year before the trade deadline is when we make our move. Hope ownership stays patient.

Yeah I really like it, just can't see it possibly happening finance-wise. If jrue, Evans, or ryno is involved it would work and that would suck. We can't give them a 1st round pick so I'm not really sure why that was even brought up???

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I really do not understand the infatuation with Jeff Green. He is an ultra high usage guy who is a mediocre three point shooter. Only 30% catch and shoot %. He's not a great defender, he's not a great rebounder, he's inconsistent , he arguably lacks court vision and has questionable BBIQ.

I feel like people get enamored with his measurables, his big games on a bad team and potential.... Potential of a 27 year old.

Give me Wilson Chandler over Jeff Green any day. I'd rather a Swiss army knife player like Chandler who is a 40% catch and shoot player, is a willing and above average defender, can board, has good IQ , is relatively consistent, 39% 3p on 6 attempts a game, and is complimentary to the pieces we already have.


So can someone sell me on why we should go after Jeff Green as our longterm piece at SF?

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Amen to that

I bet we don't move anyone.

i do recall Ainge being in love with Austin even after Doc left

Austin=tradable????

People including myself are getting too excited and are going to be let down. Unless we give up a core piece I give it a 1% chance of happening.

No thanks. This team is starting to play really well

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Austin=tradable????

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I remember there were rumors around the draft this past year that we almost traded Rivers to Boston. If their GM really wants him then yes he's tradeable.

Boston is going to find the landscape severely dry for a player with 2 years 18 million left on his deal. What team has a need for 27 year old SF who doesn't score particulary well, rebound particulary well, isn't a great 2nd or 3rd option, basically a utility guy being parading around as third banana. Let's take a look...

Clippers: They can actually offer more than the Pels in terms of young talent and expirings. Matt Barnes has a team option, CJ Wilcox and Reggie Bullock are on rookie deals. Their problem is financial. The Clippers can not under any circumstances cross the hard cap because they used the MLE. They are $800,000 away from that now. They either have to cut some players (not sure they have ANY unguaranteed money they can cut) or make the salaries damn near a perfect match. How they can do that and not include any of their core or Spencer Hawes (who Boston will not take) is unclear. Advantage PELS.

Grizzlies: They have the large expiring of Tayshaun Prince...and the 29th or 30th of 2017? That's right Memphis is in the same position as us. They might potentially owe their 2015 to Cleveland, so that can't trade their 2016. No way they trade their 2017 for Jeff Friggin Green and they most certainly are not trading any of their young talent..

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THE PELICANS: Our pu-pu platter deluxe of Withey, Rivers, and Salmons isn't the best potential deal, but its the best current deal. No other team in the league can offer Jeff Green his ideal role of "solid starter, nothing special" at his current rate of 2 years, 18 million without giving up some other more important opportunity cost. We can because we are hamstrung on Gordon for two more years anyway. We can double down on average guy like him, bolster a weakness and see what happens over the next season and a half.

Now Boston has put the kibash on that for now, as they should. No reason to jump at the pu pu platter special, but Jeff Green isn't moving the needle enough for Memphis to give up young assets, the Clippers can't do a deal this year that'll keep them under their hard cap and no other team has a need for a guy making 18 million that's not really a third banana. The offers won't improve.

Y'all really hope we get Jeff Green? He's not coming here and I'd rather wait next year to trade Gordon and get pieces we really need.

I really think if we get Gordon healthy and keep our roster healthy and intact we will make the playoffs.

You guys know the cap/trade situation better than I, but assuming it works would you trade our 2017 # 1 (say lottery protected) + Rivers or Salmons and filler for Green and maybe Nelson?