Top 10 Players (any position) for 2014-15

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

The fact you put people like Ibaka and Drummond etc. in front of davis makes me want to punch you in the face, sorry.

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Man this the post of the year. Hilarious lol

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

The eye test is opinion based. The stats reflex Ibaka being the third option. Which has been considered a title contending team for the past 4 years.

I clearly don't have the same opinion of currency as you do. Wagering USD's doesn't make me anymore right or wrong because it's all opinion based. I'm not arguing stats and stats only. Skillset is the biggest thing that stands out to me. Averaging certain numbers aren't equal in all situation. I factor in impact on wins, teammates, system, etc. If we were to bet and you were to lose would that prove your opinion wrong? Of course not so I fail to see the point if betting is to meassure rightness or wrongness.

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Exactly what I thought. You're a joke. You only make ridiculous assertions with your only support being things that are unable to be shown, tested or proved. One way or another, what you rely on doesn't add up because that list, and most of your opinions, are all over the place. You skew the bs that you write to whatever is being addressed at that moment. Internet attention hungry type of guy are you? You systematically have an opinion that differs from most (which in and of itself is fine), but you offer nothing tangible to support it. Ever. That's that.

When your opinion is routinely without any factual basis or support, yet is routinely against the grain, the natural conclusion is that your opinion is just that...against the grain for no reason other than that.

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Originally Posted by Above the Rim

Would it really bother all of you that much if one guy came on here and kept saying 'The sky is yellow"?

If not, then why do you guys let this one poster bother you? I don't get it.

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I'm not losing sleep over it, but that doesn't mean I can't address his clear bs. It's far more comical to me than upsetting.

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Originally Posted by ScoutWithoutClout

god i wish we would have traded up a pick and paired ad with drummond instead of ad with rivers

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IMO that wasn't ever an option, but we should have picked up Al Jefferson last summer as the #1 priority. He and AD would be like a rich man's Z-Bo and Gasol.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

Exactly what I thought. You're a joke. You only make ridiculous assertions with your only support being things that are unable to be shown, tested or proved. One way or another, what you rely on doesn't add up because that list, and most of your opinions, are all over the place. You skew the bs that you write to whatever is being addressed at that moment. Internet attention hungry type of guy are you? You systematically have an opinion that differs from most (which in and of itself is fine), but you offer nothing tangible to support it. Ever. That's that.

When your opinion is routinely without any factual basis or support, yet is routinely against the grain, the natural conclusion is that your opinion is just that...against the grain for no reason other than that.

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Again if that's how you feel than don't make yourself look the fool arguing with a fool. You want to use the internet to bump your chest be my guest. But trying to bait me into juvenile bets that prove nothing is beneath me. My rare opinion has made me a poster on this board that has to defend his position more than any other poster here. And I have done so with much more respect and grace than the vast majority of posters here. So don't make it seem like I haven't made 100's of post explaining my opinion just because you don't think I did so in this one thread.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

The eye test is opinion based. The stats reflex Ibaka being the third option. Which has been considered a title contending team for the past 4 years.

I clearly don't have the same opinion of currency as you do. Wagering USD's doesn't make me anymore right or wrong because it's all opinion based. I'm not arguing stats and stats only. Skillset is the biggest thing that stands out to me. Averaging certain numbers aren't equal in all situation. I factor in impact on wins, teammates, system, etc. If we were to bet and you were to lose would that prove your opinion wrong? Of course not so I fail to see the point if betting is to meassure rightness or wrongness.

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Westbrook missed most of the season last year. Why ibaka stats didn't rise much? I mean he should've been putting up 20ppg as the 2nd option right?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Again if that's how you feel than don't make yourself look the fool arguing with a fool. You want to use the internet to bump your chest be my guest. But trying to bait me into juvenile bets that prove nothing is beneath me. My rare opinion has made me a poster on this board that has to defend his position more than any other poster here. And I have done so with much more respect and grace than the vast majority of posters here. So don't make it seem like I haven't made 100's of post explaining my opinion just because you don't think I did so in this one thread.

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You don't support any of these 'against the grain' opinions with anything that is objectionable or subject to review. You throw crap out there and talk in circles. I'm not a fool arguing a fool. I'm exposing a fool's baseless sentiments routinely put forth and establishing that you do so for the reaction it is likely to, and usually does, draw. Juvenile bet is the only thing that can shut your juvenile bs that you always throw out for attention. You don't have to actually stand behind this stuff, because if you did you wouldn't be so brazen. You aren't fooling me with the high-road act, you simply don't want to stand behind the trash that comes out of your mouth.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Westbrook missed most of the season last year. Why ibaka stats didn't rise much? I mean he should've been putting up 20ppg as the 2nd option right?

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da ThRONe: "Stats, minutes, points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, PER, win shares, WARP, TS%, FG%, 3pt FG%, A/TO ratio, and Offensive and Defensive Efficiency Ratings don't matter. I think so, that's why I think I'm right."

Leave it to daThrone to pull me back in earlier than I was planning. Come to read about USA basketball and people calling Davis the best player on the team, and then see he's ranked No. 22 on DTs list. Behind Drummond, who DT had to admit this last year was not as good as Davis. Now he's 4 spots ahead of Davis?

Gtfo here. This list is insane and I promise you NO ONE agrees with it in the entire world. "But it's my opinion vs yours." My opinion is you are a dumb***. Prove me wrong.

James
Durant
Popovich
Davis
Paul
Howard
Love
Faried
M. Gasol
Ibaka

1. Davis





The rest














Greg Stiemsma

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Leave it to daThrone to pull me back in earlier than I was planning. Come to read about USA basketball and people calling Davis the best player on the team, and then see he's ranked No. 22 on DTs list. Behind Drummond, who DT had to admit this last year was not as good as Davis. Now he's 4 spots ahead of Davis?

Gtfo here. This list is insane and I promise you NO ONE agrees with it in the entire world. "But it's my opinion vs yours." My opinion is you are a dumb***. Prove me wrong.

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Here the difference I don't care if the entire worlds agrees.

I would say that mindset is at the heart of every problem in the world. So if thinking for myself makes me insane I'll gladly be insane every second of my life.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Here the difference I don't care if the entire worlds agrees.

I would say that mindset is at the heart of every problem in the world. So if thinking for myself makes me insane I'll gladly be insane every second of my life.

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So you can't prove me wrong. Great!

We can't possibly buy stats are everything. That such a reductionist way of thinking about things.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

So you can't prove me wrong. Great!

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When was I trying to?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

When was I trying to?

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So you admit it. Even better!

Drummond can't do anything but rebound and get putbacks. He has no versatility and it's the reason why Smith and Monroe don't fit that roster with him. Terrible defender. Even worse free throw shooter.

If DaThrone is drafting for the team with the #1 pick back in 2012, he's either fired before the draft, or becomes a laughing stock of the league when he doesn't take Davis #1.

The sky is yellow.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Again if that's how you feel than don't make yourself look the fool arguing with a fool. You want to use the internet to bump your chest be my guest. But trying to bait me into juvenile bets that prove nothing is beneath me. My rare opinion has made me a poster on this board that has to defend his position more than any other poster here. And I have done so with much more respect and grace than the vast majority of posters here. So don't make it seem like I haven't made 100's of post explaining my opinion just because you don't think I did so in this one thread.

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Yeah you are definitely a polite debater and I guess people shouldn't technically be upset with you.

I know I'm not when I see your opinions. I see completely inconsistent standards of evaluation, and sometimes I'm utterly confused by the arguments you make for preferring one player to another, but as you say, it's probably best to just ignore you based on your inconsistent evaluations.

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

The sky is yellow.

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Where are you getting your data from?!!!

Your premise is flawed and you are a troll. I am so mad right now and I need to keep engaging you in numerous posts even though I and all the other posters know your conclusion is laughable at best.

Agghhhhhh!!!

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Originally Posted by bradael

Drummond can't do anything but rebound and get putbacks. He has no versatility and it's the reason why Smith and Monroe don't fit that roster with him. Terrible defender. Even worse free throw shooter.

If DaThrone is drafting for the team with the #1 pick back in 2012, he's either fired before the draft, or becomes a laughing stock of the league when he doesn't take Davis #1.

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Drummond is a elite rebounder who can run the floor really well. Not his fault Josh Smith thinks he's a small forward. I wish Drummond would've fallen to us in 2012

I think some people are getting a lil out of hand. You shouldn't want to punch ppl in the face because of a post or call them a dumb*** just because of his opinion... If you going to say something say it to his face not behind a computer.

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Originally Posted by Above the Rim

Where are you getting your data from?!!!

Your premise is flawed and you are a troll. I am so mad right now and I need to keep engaging you in numerous posts even though I and all the other posters know your conclusion is laughable at best.

Agghhhhhh!!!

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You are entitled to your opinions.

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Originally Posted by Coughka

Yeah you are definitely a polite debater and I guess people shouldn't technically be upset with you.

I know I'm not when I see your opinions. I see completely inconsistent standards of evaluation, and sometimes I'm utterly confused by the arguments you make for preferring one player to another, but as you say, it's probably best to just ignore you based on your inconsistent evaluations.

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Not sure where the inconsistencies are in my evaluation. I'll be glad to read them if you care to point them out to me.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Again if that's how you feel than don't make yourself look the fool arguing with a fool. You want to use the internet to bump your chest be my guest. But trying to bait me into juvenile bets that prove nothing is beneath me. My rare opinion has made me a poster on this board that has to defend his position more than any other poster here. And I have done so with much more respect and grace than the vast majority of posters here. So don't make it seem like I haven't made 100's of post explaining my opinion just because you don't think I did so in this one thread.

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You are on a discussion board and making assertions that no expert in the nba would back you up on. The onus is on you to prove that your assertions deserve merit. Further asserting your kindness and grace doesn't get you any step closer to achieving any legitimacy to your arguments.

Your list is an absolute joke and the fact that your best supporting evidence so far has been a cherry picked highlight reel says it all. I honestly gave you more credit then most on this board have in many topics but this thread literally makes me think you are either a troll or are completely incapable of analyzing basketball objectively and with any merit. Because the amount of things wrong with that list is just staggering and when your fallback is to appeal to the unquantifiable and then assert your righteousness I have to step back and laugh at the absurdity of it.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

You are on a discussion board and making assertions that no expert in the nba would back you up on. The onus is on you to prove that your assertions deserve merit. Further asserting your kindness and grace doesn't get you any step closer to achieving any legitimacy to your arguments.

Your list is an absolute joke and the fact that your best supporting evidence so far has been a cherry picked highlight reel says it all. I honestly gave you more credit then most on this board have in many topics but this thread literally makes me think you are either a troll or are completely incapable of analyzing basketball objectively and with any merit. Because the amount of things wrong with that list is just staggering and when your fallback is to appeal to the unquantifiable and then assert your righteousness I have to step back and laugh at the absurdity of it.

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1st there is no onus on anyone. It's not required to have an opinion and I can careless who agrees and who doesn't. I'm not afraid to stand on my own. If my list is a joke then laugh. If I'm a troll then ignore. If I know nothing about basketball then whats the big deal pay me no mind. However don't act like I haven't been thorough when defending my logic time and time and time again respectfully when ask to by individual. You don't agree for the 1000X that your business. However saying all I've added was a highlight is to ignore all the times I have explained in detail my stance. People remember what they want to remember.

*sighs* it always ends up like this

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

1st there is no onus on anyone. It's not required to have an opinion and I can careless who agrees and who doesn't. I'm not afraid to stand on my own. If my list is a joke then laugh. If I'm a troll then ignore. If I know nothing about basketball then whats the big deal pay me no mind. However don't act like I haven't been thorough when defending my logic time and time and time again respectfully when ask to by individual. You don't agree for the 1000X that your business. However saying all I've added was a highlight is to ignore all the times I have explained in detail my stance. People remember what they want to remember.

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You have no good arguments.

Half the time you are railing on Davis for people judging him on potential like in the thread where you claimed he isn't a franchise changer. The other half you are showing a complete ignorance of Davis as a player, calling him a Serge Ibaka clone and such and saying his potential is limited.

But then most of your arguments supporting Drummond over Davis rest on that very premise of potential. Or worse the "eye test." A completely unquantifiable metric. Because any combination of advanced stats, overall stats, expert opinions, other nba players, and current skillset Davis is the clear victor. Yet you continue to side with unverifiable stats as your metric while everyone else disagrees. In no enviorenemnt or situation be it legal or a formal debate or even a argument amongst friends, can a person receive any credence without supporting evidence

And when your only argument is the "eye test" and you have been so utterly wrong about Davis before why should your opinion have any value to even yourself? Considering you are the guy who has claimed Davis would struggle in the NBA, his game would not adjust from college, he wouldn't develop much of a offensive skill set outside of what he did in college, he would struggle to out on weight and his frame wouldn't take it without hurting his game drastically, you thought guys like Barnes, Robinson and both Jones would be more effective "stars" day one in the nba then Davis. He is a less skilled Anthony Randolph. I could go on and on. But when your past "eye tests" have been that bad, what makes you think you deserve any credibility in the present? Or at the very least don't deeply need to rethink how you evaluate players considering how poor you have been at it? Especially with Davis?

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

The sky is yellow.

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Oh NO!
The Earth has Jaundice!

The END IS NEAR!!!

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

You have no good arguments.

Half the time you are railing on Davis for people judging him on potential like in the thread where you claimed he isn't a franchise changer. The other half you are showing a complete ignorance of Davis as a player, calling him a Serge Ibaka clone and such and saying his potential is limited.

But then most of your arguments supporting Drummond over Davis rest on that very premise of potential. Or worse the "eye test." A completely unquantifiable metric. Because any combination of advanced stats, overall stats, expert opinions, other nba players, and current skillset Davis is the clear victor. Yet you continue to side with unverifiable stats as your metric while everyone else disagrees. In no enviorenemnt or situation be it legal or a formal debate or even a argument amongst friends, can a person receive any credence without supporting evidence

And when your only argument is the "eye test" and you have been so utterly wrong about Davis before why should your opinion have any value to even yourself? Considering you are the guy who has claimed Davis would struggle in the NBA, his game would not adjust from college, he wouldn't develop much of a offensive skill set outside of what he did in college, he would struggle to out on weight and his frame wouldn't take it without hurting his game drastically, you thought guys like Barnes, Robinson and both Jones would be more effective "stars" day one in the nba then Davis. He is a less skilled Anthony Randolph. I could go on and on. But when your past "eye tests" have been that bad, what makes you think you deserve any credibility in the present? Or at the very least don't deeply need to rethink how you evaluate players considering how poor you have been at it? Especially with Davis?

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Precisely. It's one thing to say you have any opinion that is different, but when your opinion is always different and you literally never have any support for it, then it just becomes a show. Everything that can prove him wrong he discredits and has no actual support for anything he says. Then to top it off, suggests others are ignorant and he is the reasonable one because he is so polite in his routinely ignorant and reaction-seeking posts. It's a joke, but this will be the last time I address this dude. He is obviously full of it and doesn't actually believe the things he says.

This is Lebron's time. Durant is next. And after him Anthony Davis' time will start.
Rest of the star players move up a bit and move down a bit in the rankings but only these three are exceptional.

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Originally Posted by NOEngineer

James
Durant
Popovich
Davis
Paul
Howard
Love
Faried
M. Gasol
Ibaka

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lmao @ popovich

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

Precisely. It's one thing to say you have any opinion that is different, but when your opinion is always different and you literally never have any support for it, then it just becomes a show. Everything that can prove him wrong he discredits and has no actual support for anything he says. Then to top it off, suggests others are ignorant and he is the reasonable one because he is so polite in his routinely ignorant and reaction-seeking posts. It's a joke, but this will be the last time I address this dude. He is obviously full of it and doesn't actually believe the things he says.

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The sad thing is he clearly DOES believe it. Just looking at the guys post history he clearly put his eggs in the Anthony Davis will likely bust basket and has refused to reconcile reality with his prediction ever since. Constantly downplaying his growth and playing damage control. He hasn't given an inch without kicking and screaming when it comes to Davis. Even in the face of the overwhelming evidence that Davis is going to be much more then he predicted. Now he seems to cling to his assertions that Drummond is better then Davis because it's his last hope of salvaging his original predictions. It's his Alamo and he is gonna fight it til the bitter end.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

The sad thing is he clearly DOES believe it. Just looking at the guys post history he clearly put his eggs in the Anthony Davis will likely bust basket and has refused to reconcile reality with his prediction ever since. Constantly downplaying his growth and playing damage control. He hasn't given an inch without kicking and screaming when it comes to Davis. Even in the face of the overwhelming evidence that Davis is going to be much more then he predicted. Now he seems to cling to his assertions that Drummond is better then Davis because it's his last hope of salvaging his original predictions. It's his Alamo and he is gonna fight it til the bitter end.

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I personally think he says it because it's the internet. I offered bets on 7 categories and he can even negotiate some of them to put his money where his mouth is. He wants to say stats aren't everything, ok. But out of 7, if AD beats (meaning better in 4+) all of the guys that are clearly inferior at this point yet above him on that list then that's telling. He wants no part of anything he actually has to own up to. He wants to just pop off dumb **** because it gets him attention. I'm done with it.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans25_ZERO

chris bosh will surprise many this year..

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If he returns to form, it wouldn't be much of a surprise if people remembered the versatile All-Star player from his Toronto years.

Hell. Before we got Davis, I lobbied for us to acquire him.


He said, desperately trying to get the thread away from the same ol' "ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT DAVIS, DA_THRONE!!!!!" brikabrak.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

If he returns to form, it wouldn't be much of a surprise if people remembered the versatile All-Star player from his Toronto years.

Hell. Before we got Davis, I lobbied for us to acquire him.


He said, desperately trying to get the thread away from the same ol' "ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT DAVIS, DA_THRONE!!!!!" brikabrak.

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Yeah if Bosh can mix the defense and range he developed in Miami with the post game and offense that made him the all-star he was in Toronto he could legitimately have the best year of his career.

Re-watching a couple of the USA games again it is so evident how good Davis is. He is the most complete player on the team. Over 4 games he is 57% from the field and has only 4 less blocks then the rest of the team combined. He has 15 blocks while the rest of the team has 19.

It is also evident how much of a one-trick pony Harden is. I hate watching him. He has one superstar skill set: getting to the line. And that is often done with flailing and flopping which makes it hard to respect a guy like that. Outside of that he is a inefficient and selfish volume shooter with no defense. In 4 games his stat line is 14-37, 37% FG, 3-16 3p on 18% 3fg%. He is the poorest shooting starter yet has taken the most shots.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

You have no good arguments.

Half the time you are railing on Davis for people judging him on potential like in the thread where you claimed he isn't a franchise changer. The other half you are showing a complete ignorance of Davis as a player, calling him a Serge Ibaka clone and such and saying his potential is limited.

But then most of your arguments supporting Drummond over Davis rest on that very premise of potential. Or worse the "eye test." A completely unquantifiable metric. Because any combination of advanced stats, overall stats, expert opinions, other nba players, and current skillset Davis is the clear victor. Yet you continue to side with unverifiable stats as your metric while everyone else disagrees. In no enviorenemnt or situation be it legal or a formal debate or even a argument amongst friends, can a person receive any credence without supporting evidence

And when your only argument is the "eye test" and you have been so utterly wrong about Davis before why should your opinion have any value to even yourself? Considering you are the guy who has claimed Davis would struggle in the NBA, his game would not adjust from college, he wouldn't develop much of a offensive skill set outside of what he did in college, he would struggle to out on weight and his frame wouldn't take it without hurting his game drastically, you thought guys like Barnes, Robinson and both Jones would be more effective "stars" day one in the nba then Davis. He is a less skilled Anthony Randolph. I could go on and on. But when your past "eye tests" have been that bad, what makes you think you deserve any credibility in the present? Or at the very least don't deeply need to rethink how you evaluate players considering how poor you have been at it? Especially with Davis?

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First the idea that I called Davis a bust is false and is undeniable proof that some of you will only read from my post what you want to read.

2nd player take time to develop and evaluate because not every player comes into the league at the same level of development and not every player is given a chance to show what they can do at the same time if ever. Saying I'm wrong at this point first ignores the fact that guys haven't all been allowed to develop or show case said development. Of course opinions of long term potential will be formed and stats will factor in. But to say because player X had better stats than player Y after two years is far too short-sided to take seriously. It doesn't take into consideration any of the important factors that has an impact on stats. But since you are preaching to the choir people will ignore short-sided comments like calling Davis "The clear victor" when these young men are only 2 years into their careers.

Davis as it stand is a guy that has put up really good numbers on a bad team(due to injures) which was designed around what he does well. It happens all the time Davis' play style is just something advance stats are kind to. Don't turn the ball over and get steals and blocks. We were a poor rebounding team so of course his numbers are going to look good and basically just finish as the roll man on PNRs and dunk when he's wide open which he is comfortable with and that gave him an good FG percentage because he's a below average jump shooter ATM. He got the superstar treatment which bailed him out many times because his basic face-up and post game makes him average to below average at creating his own points. If he can't get the advantage with the first quick dribble he's forced to throw up and off balanced shot because he has no counter moves due to having poor coordination(bad feet).

Yes there were some things that I undervalued in Davis' game mostly his touch around the basket. But much of my concerns from his college days are still present now. Davis has some ability and is a hard working high IQ player. Again I won't be as high on him until I see those concern with his game address.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

Precisely. It's one thing to say you have any opinion that is different, but when your opinion is always different and you literally never have any support for it, then it just becomes a show. Everything that can prove him wrong he discredits and has no actual support for anything he says. Then to top it off, suggests others are ignorant and he is the reasonable one because he is so polite in his routinely ignorant and reaction-seeking posts. It's a joke, but this will be the last time I address this dude. He is obviously full of it and doesn't actually believe the things he says.

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Again with hyperbole. My opinions aren't always different this is you talking to pander to the crowd and has zero truth to it.

2ndly I don't recall saying anyone is ignorant and if I did it certainly wasn't because they disagreed with me or believe in the stats they presented. If anything attacking a person for a differing opinion is where the problem lays.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

I personally think he says it because it's the internet. I offered bets on 7 categories and he can even negotiate some of them to put his money where his mouth is. He wants to say stats aren't everything, ok. But out of 7, if AD beats (meaning better in 4+) all of the guys that are clearly inferior at this point yet above him on that list then that's telling. He wants no part of anything he actually has to own up to. He wants to just pop off dumb **** because it gets him attention. I'm done with it.

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No it's because I look at things through my own eyes, not impressed with hype, and form my on opinions.

As far as your bet what would it prove? Would you be willing to concede that Drummond is better than Davis if you lost? I highly doubt it and you shouldn't because we have no idea what could happen. That's why the bet is pointless. It was a mucho move on your part to try to make yourself feel right.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

No it's because I look at things through my own eyes, not impressed with hype, and form my on opinions.

As far as your bet what would it prove? Would you be willing to concede that Drummond is better than Davis if you lost? I highly doubt it and you shouldn't because we have no idea what could happen. That's why the bet is pointless. It was a mucho move on your part to try to make yourself feel right.

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I will put money up just like you. I know you won't win because your opinions are that outlandish, no way I lose that bet; that's how secure I am in your opinions being that off base. You want to actually stand behind the garbage you post or not? It appears not. You seem to confuse 'standing on your own' and 'not being forced by the crowd' with attention seeking ignorance, which is what you actually display. You're full of ****.

So let's get this straight. Not one professional analyst shares your point of view on your 'against the grain' opinions. Most on here never agree with you. The numbers show the exact opposite of what you believe to be true in many instances. Several different people have made the same assertions about you and your 'act.' And you have no actual statistical or tangible support for your opinions that can be reviewed, analyzed or tested and refuse to put your garbage opinions up to stand behind them. Got it.

Again, there is a thin line between standing on your own and being secure in an unpopular yet valid/supported opinion and being a guy who is against the grain for being against the grain. That is you. Not really a secret either at this point. You're a troll.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

First the idea that I called Davis a bust is false and is undeniable proof that some of you will only read from my post what you want to read.

2nd player take time to develop and evaluate because not every player comes into the league at the same level of development and not every player is given a chance to show what they can do at the same time if ever. Saying I'm wrong at this point first ignores the fact that guys haven't all been allowed to develop or show case said development. Of course opinions of long term potential will be formed and stats will factor in. But to say because player X had better stats than player Y after two years is far too short-sided to take seriously. It doesn't take into consideration any of the important factors that has an impact on stats. But since you are preaching to the choir people will ignore short-sided comments like calling Davis "The clear victor" when these young men are only 2 years into their careers.

Davis as it stand is a guy that has put up really good numbers on a bad team(due to injures) which was designed around what he does well. It happens all the time Davis' play style is just something advance stats are kind to. Don't turn the ball over and get steals and blocks. We were a poor rebounding team so of course his numbers are going to look good and basically just finish as the roll man on PNRs and dunk when he's wide open which he is comfortable with and that gave him an good FG percentage because he's a below average jump shooter ATM. He got the superstar treatment which bailed him out many times because his basic face-up and post game makes him average to below average at creating his own points. If he can't get the advantage with the first quick dribble he's forced to throw up and off balanced shot because he has no counter moves due to having poor coordination(bad feet).

Yes there were some things that I undervalued in Davis' game mostly his touch around the basket. But much of my concerns from his college days are still present now. Davis has some ability and is a hard working high IQ player. Again I won't be as high on him until I see those concern with his game address.

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I can't wait til I'm off my phone and can quote and link the crap you spewed about Davis that Google turned up. I've got you claiming was poised to be a less athletic Anthony Randolph, offensive game that will peak at Deight Howard levels. That he will never sniff being a top ten player. That he is one of the most overrated prospects coming out of college. That their will be close to ten players better then him coming out the draft.

It's gonna be fun for me.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I can't wait til I'm off my phone and can quote and link the crap you spewed about Davis that Google turned up. I've got you claiming was poised to be a less athletic Anthony Randolph, offensive game that will peak at Deight Howard levels. That he will never sniff being a top ten player. That he is one of the most overrated prospects coming out of college. That their will be close to ten players better then him coming out the draft.

It's gonna be fun for me.

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Nooooooooooo! He won't be readddddyyyy.

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

I will put money up just like you. I know you won't win because your opinions are that outlandish, no way I lose that bet; that's how secure I am in your opinions being that off base. You want to actually stand behind the garbage you post or not? It appears not. You seem to confuse 'standing on your own' and 'not being forced by the crowd' with attention seeking ignorance, which is what you actually display. You're full of ****.

So let's get this straight. Not one professional analyst shares your point of view on your 'against the grain' opinions. Most on here never agree with you. The numbers show the exact opposite of what you believe to be true in many instances. Several different people have made the same assertions about you and your 'act.' And you have no actual statistical or tangible support for your opinions that can be reviewed, analyzed or tested and refuse to put your garbage opinions up to stand behind them. Got it.

Again, there is a thin line between standing on your own and being secure in an unpopular yet valid/supported opinion and being a guy who is against the grain for being against the grain. That is you. Not really a secret either at this point. You're a troll.

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1st if you truly believe I'm here to entice people why are you letting me bother you? 2nd I've said these things about Davis when he was at UK and well before we won the lotto. So I either I'm clairvoyant or I just think he's drastically overrated.

The problem here is you are rushing to judgment with insufficient evidence, because it makes your case. You are taking two years(really just one) worth of stats from rookies and sophomores players and saying that one player is therefore greater than another. It's is far too early to draw those long term conclusions.

As far as the bet I have not even given you an answer. I simply pointed out that it won't solve anything. If my opinion of Davis changes anymore than it already has it'll be because I see him improving on the areas that concerns me. It certainly won't have anything to do with any bets.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I can't wait til I'm off my phone and can quote and link the crap you spewed about Davis that Google turned up. I've got you claiming was poised to be a less athletic Anthony Randolph, offensive game that will peak at Deight Howard levels. That he will never sniff being a top ten player. That he is one of the most overrated prospects coming out of college. That their will be close to ten players better then him coming out the draft.

It's gonna be fun for me.

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I don't recall saying Davis lacked athleticism or being more limited than Dwight Howard. I did say something like Tyson Chandler with a jumper and clearly he's more advance than that of course I correct myself and compared him to Ibaka which I still do. Still don't think he'll be a top 10 player. I still think he's vastly overrated and overhyped.

Have fun. Really I'm interested to see what you dig up.

I don't think it would be a stretch to say Davis isn't a top 10 or even 15 player this upcoming season

You could put
Lebron
Durant
Paul
Westbrook
Blake
Love
Curry
Aldridge
Rose
MGasol
Harden
Dwight
Parker
Dirk
Noah

Over him and not get a ton of dirty looks from me. But its where he buys into the hype machine of Drummond, Leonard, and Cousins that kills me.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

compared him to Ibaka. Still don't think he'll be a top 10 player. he's vastly overrated and overhyped. I'm interested to see what you dig up.

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i ask this because I've been guilty as a scout of what i thinks happening here. are you "sticking with your scouting report?" i didn't buy into the ad hype at 1st, but its hard not to now because of his development. last year, anthony davis was the youngest player to ever average 20 and 10, not to mention he's competitive on defense. plays inside, and surprisingly to everyone he can stretch the court. you could argue he is a top 3 player easier than he's not top 20. my question is, what would AD have to do to vault himself to top 10 on your list?

You are flat out naive. Davis will be in the top ten at least.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

I don't think it would be a stretch to say Davis isn't a top 10 or even 15 player this upcoming season

You could put
Lebron
Durant
Paul
Westbrook
Blake
Love
Curry
Aldridge
Rose
MGasol
Harden
Dwight
Parker
Dirk
Noah

Over him and not get a ton of dirty looks from me. But its where he buys into the hype machine of Drummond, Leonard, and Cousins that kills me.

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Davis is recognized by his peers Durant, Kobe, Paul etc as a true freak of nature. He's going to be better than Garnett and Aldridge. He's going to be closer to a duncan with more athleticism. There is no way you make a silly claim that he's not even in the top 20.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I don't recall saying Davis lacked athleticism or being more limited than Dwight Howard. I did say something like Tyson Chandler with a jumper and clearly he's more advance than that of course I correct myself and compared him to Ibaka which I still do. Still don't think he'll be a top 10 player. I still think he's vastly overrated and overhyped.

Have fun. Really I'm interested to see what you dig up.

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The respect Davis has from Durant for one Is so high