Pelicans looking to get a top 5 pick?

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Originally Posted by ILLHornetsFan

But in sports I never get too excited until something happens. I compare the NBA offseason to college basketball recruiting. Very Very similar anymore.

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You are one of the rare few. Just watch. If something spectacular doesn't happen, it will be considered a disappointing offseason. And it shouldnt be. Last summer we built the core. This is the fill in the gaps summer. But now, expectations will be over the moon if these rumors keep coming out.

I enjoy rumors like this, while they might not be credible, how many credible rumors come to fruition anyway?

I don't see who we could possibly trade to get that high, and I don't know why we would even want to get that high unless it was for Parker or Wiggins.

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

With all the respect I have to give to you and your thoughts and opinions, I'm very happy that you are not our GM. :D

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well, the scenario at the end was hyperbole to a certain extent. I wouldn't really give that much unless it cleared all of their saleries too.

Imagine if we had all the money those guys cost and picked up FA's

jrue or tyreke
jodie meeks
gordon heywood or luol deng
anthony davis
Noah Vonleh

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Originally Posted by Tomdda

Ignoring it would be the logical thing to do, but not near as much fun. Isn't talking about rumors part of the purpose of these types of forums? BTW, the rumor is completely illogical.

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Personally, I dont think that should be the purpose of a forum - at least not a primary purpose, but I guess it is what happens. I dont mind discussion of rational things floating around or things with multiple sources. But if this is the criteria to start really getting into a topic that we all know is completely illogical, I just think it sets people up for disappointment. But that is the choice of each individual person.

I just hope that when we grade the offseason, we do it without the idea of these rediculous rumors floating around in our mind.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I enjoy rumors like this, while they might not be credible, how many credible rumors come to fruition anyway?

I don't see who we could possibly trade to get that high, and I don't know why we would even want to get that high unless it was for Parker or Wiggins.

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So, please dont take this as a backhanded or set up question. I am genuinely intrigued because I obviously see things differently.

The way I read your post here, it says to me that you know the thing, in all likelihood, is not even close to real or possible. Yet, you also say you enjoy it. Please explain this to me.

Again, I am being sincere. Hard to prove it in type, but I swear I am. Thanks

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So we are just gonna ignore that this tweet came from somebody who has no track record in the NBA and that is beyond unlikely? This thread is just going to continue on until Thursday, with everyone getting their hopes up and then nothing close to this comes to fruition.

Then, Dell has a solid offseason, but doesn't pull a miracle out of thin air and folks are disappointed because they got all excited about rumors that couldn't possibly happen in any realistic world.

Ugh.

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This, the dude profile mention every sport but the NBA lol

Yeah I think the whole top 5 rumor is pretty ridiculous. I still think Monroe would be a great addition at the right price. I think Luol Deng would be a great pickup as well but its not going to happen unless we move Gordon. He just isn't the same player he was his first few years. The perfect world would have been to land a top 3 pick and draft Parker and then trade Gordon for Monroe. But perfect world hardly ever happens.

This isn't happening...He's just trying to generate more clicks. While it is entirely possible that we will be active in the draft and beyond, trading into the top 5 would require giving up way too much. We're not that far away from being a good team...we don't have to break the bank to get better.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So we are just gonna ignore that this tweet came from somebody who has no track record in the NBA and that is beyond unlikely? This thread is just going to continue on until Thursday, with everyone getting their hopes up and then nothing close to this comes to fruition.

Then, Dell has a solid offseason, but doesn't pull a miracle out of thin air and folks are disappointed because they got all excited about rumors that couldn't possibly happen in any realistic world.

Ugh.

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Someone is. But at least I won't. I'll be Gucci if the draft happens and we don't make a single move. But true enough, someone will throw a fecal fit over it.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So, please dont take this as a backhanded or set up question. I am genuinely intrigued because I obviously see things differently.

The way I read your post here, it says to me that you know the thing, in all likelihood, is not even close to real or possible. Yet, you also say you enjoy it. Please explain this to me.

Again, I am being sincere. Hard to prove it in type, but I swear I am. Thanks

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As someone in the same boat as UNO, Its just something to at least talk about during perhaps the worst part of the year sporting wise. That little bit of hope gets me through a long Football and Basketball offseason. Even if very little possibility of happening

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

well, the scenario at the end was hyperbole to a certain extent. I wouldn't really give that much unless it cleared all of their saleries too.

Imagine if we had all the money those guys cost and picked up FA's

jrue or tyreke
jodie meeks
gordon heywood or luol deng
anthony davis
Noah Vonleh

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I do totally get it, and I feel that way about certain players to the extent that I want to give out the farm to get them. I was half/joking in all honesty. I will say that a Tyreke/Meeks/Hayward backcourt is frighteningly awful on defense.

PelsFan I totally agree. If we get a top 5 we would have to give up way to much. I still say if they did that it would be like saying the trade for Jrue was a mistake.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So, please dont take this as a backhanded or set up question. I am genuinely intrigued because I obviously see things differently.

The way I read your post here, it says to me that you know the thing, in all likelihood, is not even close to real or possible. Yet, you also say you enjoy it. Please explain this to me.

Again, I am being sincere. Hard to prove it in type, but I swear I am. Thanks

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I'll go on record as saying that I enjoy it, knowing that it's not realistic, just for the ideas and concepts that come out of the "rumor." It's sort of a slightly more realistic version of you and your buddy saying "What if the Thunder got Kevin Love? How cool would that be?"

Simply put, it's fun to imagine. And there's nothing else going on in basketball.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So, please dont take this as a backhanded or set up question. I am genuinely intrigued because I obviously see things differently.

The way I read your post here, it says to me that you know the thing, in all likelihood, is not even close to real or possible. Yet, you also say you enjoy it. Please explain this to me.

Again, I am being sincere. Hard to prove it in type, but I swear I am. Thanks

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Why do people play the lottery? Is it because they know they are going to win?

Rumors are part of the fun this time of year. However, I have to admit, this one is so far out there, it is not even really worth listening to. I suspect the guy is just playing with people on twitter.

Don't all members of the media play with the people?

As far as Love and New Orleans, I just don't know how him and Davis would be together. The people on an ESPN article grilled me on this but I still think the best place for Lebron is New Orleans. I'm not starting rumor but I just think it would be incredible. I know everybody makes a big deal about small market teams, but I just think him and Davis together would just be fantastic. 2 of top 5 most efficient players in the league on one team could just be awesome and all of the other talent around them would be very young but have a lot of experience. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Rumors are part of the fun this time of year. However, I have to admit, this one is so far out there, it is not even really worth listening to. I suspect the guy is just playing with people on twitter.

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Only truth you could maybe glean is we did some due diligence, test the waters for what we'd have to do to get Wiggins, Parker or Embiid.

Cursory at best.


Unless the Supervillain has something up his sleeve. :huh2:

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

I'll go on record as saying that I enjoy it, knowing that it's not realistic, just for the ideas and concepts that come out of the "rumor." It's sort of a slightly more realistic version of you and your buddy saying "What if the Thunder got Kevin Love? How cool would that be?"

Simply put, it's fun to imagine. And there's nothing else going on in basketball.

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And you dont get disappointed when you start to talk so much about it that you think it is possible, and then it doesn't happen?

I just guess I see the downside as worse than the upside. At least with impossible rumors like this. I get the possible ones or even the not likely, but hopeful ones.

To me, discussing this is like discussing if some hockey writer tweeted he heard Gordon for Durant was a possibility this summer. It falls in a whole different category

I love drafts so if we end up with a pick I'd be happy, but I'm not expecting much especially not close to 5. Even if we got a pick that high the players in that range are players at positions we have and are building around.

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Originally Posted by ILLHornetsFan

PelsFan I totally agree. If we get a top 5 we would have to give up way to much. I still say if they did that it would be like saying the trade for Jrue was a mistake.

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Yeah I can't imagine us being able to trade that high up without giving Jrue up. He is, at least in my opinion, our second most valuable asset, particularly when considering his contract.

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Originally Posted by ILLHornetsFan

As far as Love and New Orleans, I just don't know how him and Davis would be together. The people on an ESPN article grilled me on this but I still think the best place for Lebron is New Orleans. I'm not starting rumor but I just think it would be incredible. I know everybody makes a big deal about small market teams, but I just think him and Davis together would just be fantastic. 2 of top 5 most efficient players in the league on one team could just be awesome and all of the other talent around them would be very young but have a lot of experience. Just my opinion.

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I have a feeling I'm gonna get killed for this, because it's coming from nostalgia and maybe not common sense... but I would love to see Kobe take a 1 year flyer after next season and help us gun for a chip.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Don't all members of the media play with the people?

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They wouldn't if the people didn't allow it.

I hear people complain about ESPN all the time and how it is all about rumors, but that is what people want. I write an in depth piece evaluating on court basketball and it gets 1/6th the views as a rumor or speculation piece. The media only feeds the people what they want. I guess I just wished the people wanted other things.

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

I have a feeling I'm gonna get killed for this, because it's coming from nostalgia and maybe not common sense... but I would love to see Kobe take a 1 year flyer after next season and help us gun for a chip.

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You will only get killed because it is not possible, seeing that he just signed a 2 year extension.

Totally agree Michael its what most people want to hear is the rumors. But you do a great job of covering the Pels. Your work is greatly appreciated here bro.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

You will only get killed because it is not possible, seeing that he just signed a ridiculous 2 year extension.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

And you dont get disappointed when you start to talk so much about it that you think it is possible, and then it doesn't happen?
I just guess I see the downside as worse than the upside. At least with impossible rumors like this. I get the possible ones or even the not likely, but hopeful ones.

To me, discussing this is like discussing if some hockey writer tweeted he heard Gordon for Durant was a possibility this summer. It falls in a whole different category

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Just have to keep in mind that the odds of said move/trade stand little chance of happening. If it happens, Great, If Not, off to something else to talk about. Keep a real perspective and you wont be disappointed

Especially for someone like me in Illinois. Very hard to find coverage of the Pels this far north obviously. But I have been a League Pass subscriber for years. I read the Times-Pacayune a lot as well.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

They wouldn't if the people didn't allow it.

I hear people complain about ESPN all the time and how it is all about rumors, but that is what people want. I write an in depth piece evaluating on court basketball and it gets 1/6th the views as a rumor or speculation piece. The media only feeds the people what they want. I guess I just wished the people wanted other things.

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Congrats on getting 1/6th the viewers, but people are going to keep buying that lottery ticket and thinking about the chance to quit their job, when reality says quit dreaming your going to be punching that time clock from 9-5 for the next 30 years.

Del and Monty give conferences all the time yet people keep thinking they can read between the lines and that they can read their minds and predict their next moves rather than just go with what's in front of them.

People like to let their imaginations get the best of them some times.

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Originally Posted by LouisianaPride

Just have to keep in mind that the odds of said move/trade stand little chance of happening. If it happens, Great, If Not, off to something else to talk about. Keep a real perspective and you wont be disappointed

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If you can keep a rational head, I guess there is no downside. I guess I just wish actual gameplay would ignite conversations as much as false rumors did. One way or another, it will be over in 6 days.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Congrats on getting 1/6th the viewers, but people are going to keep buying that lottery ticket and thinking about the chance to quit their job, when reality says quit dreaming your going to be punching that time clock from 9-5 for the next 30 years.

Del and Monty give conferences all the time yet people keep thinking they can read between the lines and that they can read their minds and predict their next moves rather than just go with what's in front of them.

People like to let their imaginations get the best of them some times.

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Trust me, I understand that this is the reality. I guess I am asking if this is the way it HAS to be? And if we are heading more and more this way each and every day, what is the news cycle going to look like in 10-20 years? I am terrified to learn the answer to that question.

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Originally Posted by ILLHornetsFan

Especially for someone like me in Illinois. Very hard to find coverage of the Pels this far north obviously. But I have been a League Pass subscriber for years. I read the Times-Pacayune a lot as well.

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Now I see the problem.

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Originally Posted by LouisianaPride

Just have to keep in mind that the odds of said move/trade stand little chance of happening. If it happens, Great, If Not, off to something else to talk about. Keep a real perspective and you wont be disappointed

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This, basically.... and while you're right and I wouldn't have read it on twitter and started this forum, it was here and people were talking about it, and it's different that Gordon for Durant, because it takes a minute or two of contemplating to make sure it isn't actually possible. I think that's why this thread happened. Once something new pops up, we all move on the the possibility of signing Blatche or the rumor that Chicago is shopping their #19 pick... It's just the flavor of the minute. Obviously some people got really into it... and I suspect that if I was into College BBall maybe I would've been the same. But, I don't think it adds up to "expectations." I don't think if Amick added us to the list of possible Melo suitors in a S&T, and we got Tucker and Blatche and re-signed Morrow, that many sane fans would spend the whole season saying "Dang, why didn't Dell get Melo!"

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Trust me, I understand that this is the reality. I guess I am asking if this is the way it HAS to be? And if we are heading more and more this way each and every day, what is the news cycle going to look like in 10-20 years? I am terrified to learn the answer to that question.

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This is a frightening Question.

Yeah not a lot of good coverage in their. IT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

This, basically.... and while you're right and I wouldn't have read it on twitter and started this forum, it was here and people were talking about it, and it's different that Gordon for Durant, because it takes a minute or two of contemplating to make sure it isn't actually possible. I think that's why this thread happened. Once something new pops up, we all move on the the possibility of signing Blatche or the rumor that Chicago is shopping their #19 pick... It's just the flavor of the minute. Obviously some people got really into it... and I suspect that if I was into College BBall maybe I would've been the same. But, I don't think it adds up to "expectations." I don't think if Amick added us to the list of possible Melo suitors in a S&T, and we got Tucker and Blatche and re-signed Morrow, that many sane fans would spend the whole season saying "Dang, why didn't Dell get Melo!"

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Sane and fans are two terms that cant coexist.

Definition of fanatic is: a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal

Not much room for sanity. There are different levels of us, though. We need more words. I wouldn't consider myself a "fan" for example. I enjoy watching and following the team but not excessively or single mindedly. We need a new word

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Trust me, I understand that this is the reality. I guess I am asking if this is the way it HAS to be? And if we are heading more and more this way each and every day, what is the news cycle going to look like in 10-20 years? I am terrified to learn the answer to that question.

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The problem for me is that I read everything you guys write. So, when I run out of stuff to read or learn about the Pels or the NBA, I end up on here, having some meaningful and some superfluous conversations.

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Originally Posted by ILLHornetsFan

Yeah not a lot of good coverage in their. IT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thats why The Bird Writes and Bourbon Street Shots exist. So you can get good coverage.

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Originally Posted by Pelicantoo

The problem for me is that I read everything you guys write. So, when I run out of stuff to read or learn about the Pels or the NBA, I end up on here, having some meaningful and some superfluous conversations.

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Yeah, I wasnt trying to act snobby and I hope it didnt come off that way. But there is a level of rumor that should just be ignored IMO. This is one of those to me.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Sane and fans are two terms that cant coexist.

Definition of fanatic is: a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal

Not much room for sanity. There are different levels of us, though. We need more words. I wouldn't consider myself a "fan" for example. I enjoy watching and following the team but not excessively or single mindedly. We need a new word

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Rational enthusiasts.

I like that. I am the biggest Pelicans RE in the world!

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

Rational enthusiasts.

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I feel that I'm an NBA and Pelicans connoisseur. (Without the WASPy pretense)

connoisseur: one who enjoys with discrimination and appreciation of subtleties

A Rec'er - A rational enthusiast and connoisseur.

I am a Pelican Rec'er.

Michael I know everybody has been talking about the Love trade but if it were to happen, How would Love and Davis co-exist. I guess it would be just like having a beefed up Ryan Anderson on the team.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

A Rec'er - A rational enthusiast and connoisseur.

I am a Pelican Rec'er.

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Nicely adapted.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

Nicely adapted.

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I love it, This should be coined.

I believe in Premier League they call fans "supporters". That lacks the connotation of being mindless or zealots I think, which is hilarious considering the audience.

It's funny how binary following a sports team has become. You're either a loyal fan or a babbling pessimist.

MM, I understand the argument about "disappointed" fans if the top 5 pick doesn't happen, and the "fanatic" comment. HOWEVER, there are levels to fandom. My fandom doesn't make me irrational. It makes me long for constant improvement and a winning program. If we do NOTHING this offseason, win 50 games next year or make the playoffs, I'm good. (FWIW, getting Jrue and Ryno back makes us a better team than the end of last year).

My issues with the team come when we do (or don't do) things to make us better. I've learned to not live in the moment and let things play out before jumping to conclusions. Dell, Monty, heck probably all the guys at BSS know more about the game than I do. This provides an explanation to defer judgment on personnel moves until I see how it results on the court.

I said all that to say, don't lump ALL fans into the sect that don't know a skip pass from Skip Bayless.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Sane and fans are two terms that cant coexist.

Definition of fanatic is: a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal

Not much room for sanity. There are different levels of us, though. We need more words. I wouldn't consider myself a "fan" for example. I enjoy watching and following the team but not excessively or single mindedly. We need a new word

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I feel like this especially applies to Saints Report. Good luck going against the grain while maintaining rational thought. You'll be red Thumbed to death if you say something that most don't agree with. For Example, I don't think Roger Goodell is the Anti-Christ.