2013 Draft Lottery thread

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

So Paul Milsaps?

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I think he has 1 of the highest ceilings in this draft. Bennett has a solid 3 pt shot. With his 7 1 wingspan he can be effective underneath even tho he's only 6'7. Not sure what is vert is tho. Very streaky shooter. Even tho he only shot 32% from the 3 last year. I think it had more to do with his shot selection than anything. He can be a really good pick n pop player in the league and he is solid with both hands handling n finishing. I wouldn't be upset with drafting him if Burke,porter,mclemore and oladipo are all gone.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

So because Nash is a poor defender he's not a point guard? Young offensives player usually struggle on defense. As good as Kyrie Irving is his defense is suspect.

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Do you see Steve Nash in any of these guys?

The point is they aren't either position because they don't play either position well enough. I can "play" SF, but I'm not an NBA SF. If you can't cover anyone at your position, you had better be Steve Nash kind of good. I would say Williams is the best of the three, and he is no more than a solid scorer. A good bench player. For the #2 pick in the draft behind Kyrie Irving, that's not good.

I really don't see Rivers panning out as a PG... if anything, I'd rather rock the boat and draft a PG since we've got a small fortune tied into Gordon & Rivers is more of a SG anyways.

Wouldn't mind McCollum or Saric should we hit the skids in the lotto. I imagine we'll be at 5 or 6.

Im just torn between Burke and Porter, i really hope 1 of them is gone by the time we pick so it will be easier and for the rest of my life if the other player turns out better i cant blame our front office lol.

Also im one of the guys that has tremendous faith in rivers, ur asking a guy who joined the NBA after 1 year in college as a true freshmen to be a starter in the NBA his rookie year AND learn a new position he never played before? He will take time but I think he will be very good. Plus his defense and size will be elite for PGs in the league.

I would be really happy with Burke or Porter. Leaning more towards Burke. I like Rivers as a combo guard off the bench unless he drastically improves his shooting.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I would be really happy with Burke or Porter. Leaning more towards Burke. I like Rivers as a combo guard off the bench unless he drastically improves his shooting.

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ya i can def see rivers in that ginnobili, crawford role. my only worry then would be SF, good thing next year is rediculously deep at the position.

I think if Rivers can develop into where Tyreke Evans is right now, he will be considered a fantastic pick. I like the probability of that happening too. If we could wind up with Porter and have a Rivers/Gordon/Porter/Anderson/Davis, in 2 years it would be on of the most versatile, deadly lineups in the league. If we spot Davis about 15-20 minutes a game at the 5. The ball movement, defensive capability, with every player being a threat from 15-18 feet. That would be one of the best lineups in the league in advanced stats.

My new big board:

1. Trey Burke
2. Victor Oladipo
3. Otto Porter
4. Ben Mclemore
5. Nerlens Noel

nba is crooked. expect us to pick high. benson paid 330 mil and i wouldn't be surprised if #1 and #3 picks were included in the deal

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Originally Posted by ScoutWithoutClout

nba is crooked. expect us to pick high. benson paid 330 mil and i wouldn't be surprised if #1 and #3 picks were included in the deal

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lets hope

People really think the lotto is rigged still.

*sigh*

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

My new big board:

1. Trey Burke
2. Victor Oladipo
3. Otto Porter
4. Ben Mclemore
5. Nerlens Noel

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My two main targets are Porter and Burke.

1. Noel
2. McLemore
3. Porter
4. Burke

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

People really think the lotto is rigged still.

*sigh*

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Consider the source.... 57 posts does not lend much credibility. No offense SWC, I just don't know you, so I can't say for sure if you are a noob or not haha.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

People really think the lotto is rigged still.

*sigh*

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here's the 1st draft lottery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX1kMlG8c7Y

i find it more than coincidental that:
lebron goes to his hometown
d rose goes to his hometown (1.7% chance of winning lotto)
a davis goes to newly bought team

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Originally Posted by ScoutWithoutClout

here's the 1st draft lottery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX1kMlG8c7Y

i find it more than coincidental that:
lebron goes to his hometown
d rose goes to his hometown (1.7% chance of winning lotto)
a davis goes to newly bought team

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Something as scandalous as rigging the lottery, especially with all the GMs in the room at the same time as it's being drawn, is just unthinkable. Not only would it never happen because it would ruin the league, but I don't even think it's possible with all of the attention that goes into it. If there was some rigged lottery system, do you think Charlotte's GM would have idly sat by with out crying foul? Come on now man, there's no way.

Sometimes coincidental things happen that we can't explain, except for the first lotto, that s##t was rigged lol

BURKE

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Originally Posted by ScoutWithoutClout

here's the 1st draft lottery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX1kMlG8c7Y

i find it more than coincidental that:
lebron goes to his hometown
d rose goes to his hometown (1.7% chance of winning lotto)
a davis goes to newly bought team

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While I can't confirm or deny it like anybody else some of the back story that just happen to play out with the NBA draft is getting fishy.

Not sure why people think this is something difficult to "fix" if Stern really wanted to. The question is would he risk the entire league to do so? Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised.

Either way I've never been a fan of a lottery. The worse team should get the better draft picks. If tanking is a problem then there's a problem with your league that's much deeper than a draft lottery can fix.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Something as scandalous as rigging the lottery, especially with all the GMs in the room at the same time as it's being drawn, is just unthinkable. Not only would it never happen because it would ruin the league, but I don't even think it's possible with all of the attention that goes into it. If there was some rigged lottery system, do you think Charlotte's GM would have idly sat by with out crying foul? Come on now man, there's no way.

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Magicians trick rooms full of people all the time. I'm not saying the lottery is rigged however if they really wanted to it wouldn't be hard whether there were people in the room or not. Do they use ping pong balls with team logos on it? It would be as simple as a weighted ball. It definitely wouldn't be Mission Impossible to rig it.

I don't know if it's rigged or not but if it's been rigged for others, then hell yes, rig it for my team too. :hihi: Just about anyone could make a case for if it could be, or couldn't be rigged.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ey...king-it-anyway

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Magicians trick rooms full of people all the time. I'm not saying the lottery is rigged however if they really wanted to it wouldn't be hard whether there were people in the room or not. Do they use ping pong balls with team logos on it? It would be as simple as a weighted ball. It definitely wouldn't be Mission Impossible to rig it.

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14 ping pong balls are used from the numbers 1 through 14. 4 ping pong balls are then drawn with combinations assigned to teams based on their % of winning.

They do multiple test runs before the actual #1 pick attempt, and the same 14 ping pong balls are used in every drawing, including the drawings after the first winner (which could be a dozen or more drawings if the same team keeps winning - for example the Hornets had theirs drawn again for the #3 pick, but they already won #1).

This is all overseen by representatives from Ernst and Young and witnessed by every team in the lottery including media representatives. Now tell me how they can rig it so that one specific team wins on the third attempt.

The only people who think it's rigged are those who don't understand how the process works and probably don't even care to know how... they just like to say it's rigged without any reason behind it.

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Originally Posted by ScoutWithoutClout

here's the 1st draft lottery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX1kMlG8c7Y

i find it more than coincidental that:
lebron goes to his hometown
d rose goes to his hometown (1.7% chance of winning lotto)
a davis goes to newly bought team

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And how many picks aren't coincidental at all? I can point to far, far, far more examples to show the lotto is just what it is than the few you can throw your hands up and call some kind of shenanigans.

So I guess this means the Kings will win the #1 pick then, right? Newly bought. Maybe Charlotte will win again. They're changing their name at some point. Need a new player. Where's Nerlens from? Nerlens kinda sounds like Nawlins. Guess we're gonna win again. It's so easy to call it after the fact when you get to cherry pick the examples and bend it to fit what you want it to fit, but funny how you can never use this to predict anything.

It's the same as the Illuminati bull. Oh, look those trusses form the Eye of Horus on the statue. It's Illuminati! Football player forms diamonds with their hands to catch footballs. It's Illuminati! Yu-Gi-Oh! has a bunch of Egyptian stuff all over the place. It's Illuminati! Ever been to Egypt? It's Illuminati!

here goes:

1. cavs
2. bobcats
3. pelicans
4. magic
5. kings
6. suns

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

And how many picks aren't coincidental at all? I can point to far, far, far more examples to show the lotto is just what it is than the few you can throw your hands up and call some kind of shenanigans.

So I guess this means the Kings will win the #1 pick then, right? Newly bought. Maybe Charlotte will win again. They're changing their name at some point. Need a new player. Where's Nerlens from? Nerlens kinda sounds like Nawlins. Guess we're gonna win again. It's so easy to call it after the fact when you get to cherry pick the examples and bend it to fit what you want it to fit, but funny how you can never use this to predict anything.

It's the same as the Illuminati bull. Oh, look those trusses form the Eye of Horus on the statue. It's Illuminati! Football player forms diamonds with their hands to catch footballs. It's Illuminati! Yu-Gi-Oh! has a bunch of Egyptian stuff all over the place. It's Illuminati! Ever been to Egypt? It's Illuminati!

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Yea but if you look deep enough into the rabbit hole you'd see that there is actually a group of psychopaths that have infiltrated our governments with an agenda to enslave and dumb down the population. Jus' sayin'.

Obama recently signed this 'Monsanto Protection Act,' and has gotten a lot of flack for it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2995228.html

Many scientists/researchers have spoken out against Monsanto's franken-crops, GMO's (genetically modified organisms) saying that they are not healthy to have in our food supply.

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Originally Posted by bradael

14 ping pong balls are used from the numbers 1 through 14. 4 ping pong balls are then drawn with combinations assigned to teams based on their % of winning.

They do multiple test runs before the actual #1 pick attempt, and the same 14 ping pong balls are used in every drawing, including the drawings after the first winner (which could be a dozen or more drawings if the same team keeps winning - for example the Hornets had theirs drawn again for the #3 pick, but they already won #1).

This is all overseen by representatives from Ernst and Young and witnessed by every team in the lottery including media representatives. Now tell me how they can rig it so that one specific team wins on the third attempt.

The only people who think it's rigged are those who don't understand how the process works and probably don't even care to know how... they just like to say it's rigged without any reason behind it.

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Are you saying its impossible to rig? All you've said is why it's more difficult. Difficulty adds to make people think its more legit, but doesn't mean it's impossible. It just means its hard. What about specific magnetized balls that you can turn on when the drawing is real? Again. I'm not saying I believe the lottery is rigged. However people have found ways to do far harder things than make a certain ping pong ball come up. The more important question isn't is it possible. It's does it make sense to do it? Once you go down that path of doing it once I'd think that'd be too big a can to close.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

My new big board:

1. Trey Burke
2. Victor Oladipo
3. Otto Porter
4. Ben Mclemore
5. Nerlens Noel

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Mine exactly.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

And how many picks aren't coincidental at all? I can point to far, far, far more examples to show the lotto is just what it is than the few you can throw your hands up and call some kind of shenanigans.

So I guess this means the Kings will win the #1 pick then, right? Newly bought. Maybe Charlotte will win again. They're changing their name at some point. Need a new player. Where's Nerlens from? Nerlens kinda sounds like Nawlins. Guess we're gonna win again. It's so easy to call it after the fact when you get to cherry pick the examples and bend it to fit what you want it to fit, but funny how you can never use this to predict anything.

It's the same as the Illuminati bull. Oh, look those trusses form the Eye of Horus on the statue. It's Illuminati! Football player forms diamonds with their hands to catch footballs. It's Illuminati! Yu-Gi-Oh! has a bunch of Egyptian stuff all over the place. It's Illuminati! Ever been to Egypt? It's Illuminati!

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Tupac

Guys I think Eman may be part of the Illuminate.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Are you saying its impossible to rig? All you've said is why it's more difficult. Difficulty adds to make people think its more legit, but doesn't mean it's impossible. It just means its hard. What about specific magnetized balls that you can turn on when the drawing is real? Again. I'm not saying I believe the lottery is rigged. However people have found ways to do far harder things than make a certain ping pong ball come up. The more important question isn't is it possible. It's does it make sense to do it? Once you go down that path of doing it once I'd think that'd be too big a can to close.

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No way to get that fixed? Sounds painful

What would magnetic balls attract? Each other? Other balls? Tulips?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

What would magnetic balls attract? Each other? Other balls? Tulips?

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That's scary.

Lol.

On topic I want to draft Porter.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

My new big board:

1. Trey Burke
2. Victor Oladipo
3. Otto Porter
4. Ben Mclemore
5. Nerlens Noel

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I'd replace Porter with Bennett and put Noel ahead of McElmore.

We are all talking about what to do if we luck out in the lottery and stay at 5 or move up, but what if worst case happens and we get the 8th pick and lets say noel, mclemore, oladipo, burke, porter, bazz and bennett are gone, would anyone have a problem with us trading our pick to the Hawks for picks 17 and 18 and drafting either rudy gobert or giannis at 17 and either kaldwell-pope or archie goodwin at 18?

I'm all for the idea of not drafting at all this year, so the thought of drafting TWO more youngins is nauseating to me.

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

I'm all for the idea of not drafting at all this year, so the thought of drafting TWO more youngins is nauseating to me.

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Well someone else had a really good idea of trading our 5th overall pick for Utah's 14th overall and their 1st rounder unprotected next year, if they would do it I think it would be great, if not i'd throw Vasquez at them and try and get them to give us alec burks

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Well someone else had a really good idea of trading our 5th overall pick for Utah's 14th overall and their 1st rounder unprotected next year, if they would do it I think it would be great, if not i'd throw Vasquez at them and try and get them to give us alec burks

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No. Sorry just no. I'm no Gravy homer but I certainly wouldn't trade him for Burks and a mid first. Nahhhhh

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

No. Sorry just no. I'm no Gravy homer but I certainly wouldn't trade him for Burks and a mid first. Nahhhhh

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i meant our 1st and GV, for their 14th, 1st next year and alec burks

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

i meant our 1st and GV, for their 14th, 1st next year and alec burks

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Next year's draft seems to be loaded! I would be happy with a low lottery pick and can still get a great player!

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Next year's draft seems to be loaded! I would be happy with a low lottery pick and can still get a great player!

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exactly, u dont even need a low lottery pick to get a stud, BUT we could package our 1st with utah's first and move into the top 5 and maybe get jabari parker who i think is the 2nd best player in the draft and can score from anywhere on the court just like melo. Or we could package both 1st and next years first for the #1 pick in wiggins who is the best prospect since maybe lebron. Who knows...

Tanking is a problem. The only reason its not more of one in the NFL is the amount of attention on every game and that basketball is more directly influenced by any single franchise player. Were there no lottery, it would make even less sense for bad teams to try and win games late.

http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2013/mockdraft

two things i've noticed from this

a. i really want otto porter, and odds of that happening aren't in our favor.
b. espn seems to LOVE mccollum and bennett, repeatedly taking them over oladipo. why do yall think that is?

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Tanking is a problem. The only reason its not more of one in the NFL is the amount of attention on every game and that basketball is more directly influenced by any single franchise player. Were there no lottery, it would make even less sense for bad teams to try and win games late.

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The NFL don't have a tanking problem because the season is over so quickly. Talent wins in sports and it make sense to acquire the best available talent. Football teams take action all the time that can be perceived as "tanking" once the team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

exactly, u dont even need a low lottery pick to get a stud, BUT we could package our 1st with utah's first and move into the top 5 and maybe get jabari parker who i think is the 2nd best player in the draft and can score from anywhere on the court just like melo. Or we could package both 1st and next years first for the #1 pick in wiggins who is the best prospect since maybe lebron. Who knows...

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If you held the #1 pick next year, would you trade it for 7(?)I and a 14(?) when the best prospect since LBJ has fallen into your lap? Te personable held the #2 wouldn't even do that.

http://youtu.be/gzyr-SZPMbg

Think he is gonna be a key cog in someone's winning program. Didn't notice how good a passer he is before. Would love for him to replace Lopez.

My Dad firmly believes its rigged; I have a hard time believing you can rig a lottery ball system very effectively and consistently.
As long as the process never becomes computerized, I will see it as legit.

What can you honestly do? Weigh the balls pertaining to the combinations for the team the NBA "wants" to win? That still isn't foolproof.
Design a lotto machine that creats the perfect environment for a set combination to appear? Yea right.

Aliens?? NOW we might be talking.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

The NFL don't have a tanking problem because the season is over so quickly. Talent wins in sports and it make sense to acquire the best available talent. Football teams take action all the time that can be perceived as "tanking" once the team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

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Another thing to note is how much more talent is available to the NFL. You can find franchise players in the third round with moderate success.
The NBA doesn't even have a third round.

the lottery isn't rigged.