CP3 and Clippers

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Since we are all speaking hypothetical, there is still as much possibility that CP3 comes back to Nola as he does staying with the Clippers if they lose in the first round:

I know I’m dreaming but if the Pel’s don’t pick up the option on both Lopez and Thomas, the combined salaries for the rest of the team in 2013/14 is: 36.53M

Now if we sign both Howard and CP3 for 15M each (obviously they agree to take a significant pay cut to win a Championship)

The total salaries to begin the season would be: 66.53M
If you include the salary of the 2013 (5th pick) = 2.9M

Total for team: 69.43M

Luxury tax as of 2012/13 – 70M

CP3/Vasquez/Roberts
Gordon/Rivers/FA
2013 Pick/FA/Miller
Davis/Anderson
Howard/Smith

Championship!!!!

After the 2013/14 season we would have a problem with cap space, but 1 championship would do me :D 

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Why the hell howard and paul would sign for the pelicans?

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Why the hell howard and paul would sign for the pelicans?

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Well look at that starting lineup... that's why!

Why would anyone advocate signing Dwight Howard? He's proven over the last two years he's an awful headcase, why bring that to NOLA? He admitted the other day he's still not healed from the back surgery, at least that's his excuse for playing so poorly this past year.

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Originally Posted by England_Hornet

Well look at that starting lineup... that's why!

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You realize that we were like 5th worst in the entire nba? And now with paul and howard we would automatically have serious, almost certain chances at the title in an hypotethical next year? Because i think only certainty of playoffs and a reasonable probability of going all the way could lure BOTH here. The lakers with bryant, nash, artest, gasol and whoever else, just barely made it to the playoffs, the clippers are going to be kicked out, and if not in the 1st round then in a short time anyway. But paul - whoever - whoever - davis - howard + rhyno from the bench = championship? Please. I'm not sure it'd work on nba 2k, much less in real basketball.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

You realize that we were like 5th worst in the entire nba? And now with paul and howard we would automatically have serious, almost certain chances at the title in an hypotethical next year? Because i think only certainty of playoffs and a reasonable probability of going all the way could lure BOTH here. The lakers with bryant, nash, artest, gasol and whoever else, just barely made it to the playoffs, the clippers are going to be kicked out, and if not in the 1st round then in a short time anyway. But paul - whoever - whoever - davis - howard + rhyno from the bench = championship? Please. I'm not sure it'd work on nba 2k, much less in real basketball.

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Not to mention we wouldn't have near the cap space to sign both to contracts starting at $15M.

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Originally Posted by ml wave

Not to mention we wouldn't have near the cap space to sign both to contracts starting at $15M.

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No one in the running but Atlanta has the cap space to sign both and Atlanta might want to trade Horford to get Dwight if Dwight would rather play with BFF Josh Smith than Horford. The Rockets would probably trade Lin and Asik, the Mavericks would trade Marion and Carter (which is why they aren't really in the running) and the Pelicans would build a package around either Gordon or Anderson if all the stars aligned and Dwight and CP3 would rather play with a bunch of kids than playoff ready All Star level talents.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

You realize that we were like 5th worst in the entire nba? And now with paul and howard we would automatically have serious, almost certain chances at the title in an hypotethical next year? Because i think only certainty of playoffs and a reasonable probability of going all the way could lure BOTH here. The lakers with bryant, nash, artest, gasol and whoever else, just barely made it to the playoffs, the clippers are going to be kicked out, and if not in the 1st round then in a short time anyway. But paul - whoever - whoever - davis - howard + rhyno from the bench = championship? Please. I'm not sure it'd work on nba 2k, much less in real basketball.

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Well, you're wrong all the same. The Lakers barely made the playoffs because Nash wasn't the floor general they expected to get, coupled with total ineptitude on defense thanks to Mike D'Antoni not knowing what defense even is. Monty doesn't have that problem.

You add Chris Paul and Howard to our team somehow, through the super evil villainy of Dell Demps and yes, we'd be a contender.

Chris Paul knows how to get the ball to playmakers and knows how to take games over when he feels like it.

That said, I find the notion sickening because I do not like Howard at all. I didn't always, but now? Want nothing to do with him. I'm the same way with Rondo or Westbrook. Even though they're all great players. Can't stand them as player personalities.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Well, you're wrong all the same. The Lakers barely made the playoffs because Nash wasn't the floor general they expected to get, coupled with total ineptitude on defense thanks to Mike D'Antoni not knowing what defense even is.

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Wrong about the Lakers. 171 Games missed total between their starters and rotational players along with a mid-season coaching change is why they barely made the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Monty doesn't have that problem.

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Also about Monty not having that problem????? Third to worst Defensive Efficiency ahead of Charlotte and Sacramento and you're going to vouch for his defensive prowess? You've got more faith than I do. Sure you can blame it on the players, but if he really was such a "defensive guru" he would have done better than that. (This is coming from someone who's not running at Monty with a Pitchfork and torch).

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

You add Chris Paul and Howard to our team somehow, through the super evil villainy of Dell Demps and yes, we'd be a contender.

Chris Paul knows how to get the ball to playmakers and knows how to take games over when he feels like it.

That said, I find the notion sickening because I do not like Howard at all. I didn't always, but now? Want nothing to do with him. I'm the same way with Rondo or Westbrook. Even though they're all great players. Can't stand them as player personalities.

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With all of that said above I still agree that CP and Dwight make a championship contender.

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Sure you can blame it on the players

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Good. Then I will.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Good. Then I will.

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:hihi: http://geektyrant.com/storage/page-i...=1301344578720

Huh. Gonna have to explain the joke there.

Anywho. You can't get water from a stone. Same way you can't get Vasquez to keep anyone out of the lane or to rotate to his man in a timely manner. But as bad as Vasquez is, Brian Roberts is worse. Also, Aminu just isn't even nearly the defender he should be at the size and athleticism. I'm ready for something different.

Hell, I'd say our best perimeter defender was Austin Rivers. Can't really count Gordon though he's really good at poking balls loose.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Huh. Gonna have to explain the joke there.

Anywho. You can't get water from a stone. Same way you can't get Vasquez to keep anyone out of the lane or to rotate to his man in a timely manner. But as bad as Vasquez is, Brian Roberts is worse. Also, Aminu just isn't even nearly the defender he should be at the size and athleticism. I'm ready for something different.

Hell, I'd say our best perimeter defender was Austin Rivers. Can't really count Gordon though he's really good at poking balls loose.

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I agree. I just think some of the blame needs to fall on Monty as well. He did a fantastic job the first year. I'll give credit where it's due.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I agree. I just think some of the blame needs to fall on Monty as well. He did a fantastic job the first year. I'll give credit where it's due.

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We also had Ariza and Okafor who are above average defensively, and Jack starting PG.

Aminu looked good defensively against backups, but he's was a major letdown this season.

Any team with Paul and Howard next year are title contenders both are that good. With that said I see no possible scenario they both come here. Howard could easily be here if he wanted to pair with Paul. If they pair up it's going to be in a market like Dallas maybe even Atlanta.

Which pisses me off to no end on the pure principle alone. Winning ain't enough. Gotta win where you can get more exposure...

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Which pisses me off to no end on the pure principle alone. Winning ain't enough. Gotta win where you can get more exposure...

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Yeah obviously D12 and CP3 in NOLA is probably a 0.1% possibly for this fact alone. We have the cap figures to do it. You would have to probably ship Gordon but its definitely possible and a guy can dream :)

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Which pisses me off to no end on the pure principle alone. Winning ain't enough. Gotta win where you can get more exposure...

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Can't blame the players it's the league that reward market size. The NBA TV situation is really bad when you look how at the NFL it's all about being consumed by viewers at home, and most importantly ever team gets adequate air time.

Still not a lot to do in a offseason except whether or not Dwight + Paul would mean contender and if the Lakers were really any good.

*Sigh*

The media needs to jump on CP3 just like they do Carmelo. CP3 had better playoff runs in NO. Last year it takes 7 games for the Clippers to get past Memphis then get swept in 4 games by SA. At least here in NO, the hornets got to game 7 in Round 2. Stay in LA CP3.

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Originally Posted by kmbuzz

The media needs to jump on CP3 just like they do Carmelo. CP3 had better playoff runs in NO. Last year it takes 7 games for the Clippers to get past Memphis then get swept in 4 games by SA. At least here in NO, the hornets got to game 7 in Round 2. Stay in LA CP3.

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I never thought I'd see the day that I think we are better off without Paul in his prime. Not that he's responsible for the Clippers losing, but I don't think we could put together a better team than the Clips in time to take advantage of CP's prime years left.

Yeah, how has Paul avoided criticism regarding his bad playoff record? He has won only two series in his career. Don't we expect more from franchise players?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I never thought I'd see the day that I think we are better off without Paul in his prime. Not that he's responsible for the Clippers losing, but I don't think we could put together a better team than the Clips in time to take advantage of CP's prime years left.

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How can you honestly say that we don't have a better supporting cast than the Clippers?

Davis and Griffin were nearly a wash last season in terms of advanced metrics, and Davis was only a 19 year old rookie who needs to put on weight.

Gordon >>>>>>>> Eric Bledsoe

Anderson >>>>>>> Lamar Odom

Lopez >>>> DeAndre Jordan

Jason Smith >>>> Caron Butler

Role players like Rivers (6th man), Vasquez (trade bait), Roberts (spacer), and Miller (spacer). I even think we could get a guy like Matt Barnes to follow CP over to our team at the vet minimum. He'd give us a nice defensive veteran presence, and he can space the floor as well.

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Originally Posted by Emilio

Yeah, how has Paul avoided criticism regarding his bad playoff record? He has won only two series in his career. Don't we expect more from franchise players?

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Sure, but both times he has always been surrounded by crap. Him next to guys like Davis, Gordon, and Anderson... That's a really scary thought.

Bill Simmons tweeted he heard CP3 might not come back to LA.
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/stat...96603188998144

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Also hearing there's a legit chance CP3 doesn't sign there now. It's wide-open. They'd have to hire a coach he likes, and even then...

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He probably didn't hear anything. It's just what a lot of people will be thinking after a disappointing first round loss, especially since he didn't sign that 3 year extension.

I can't see any way that he returns if he is serious about contending for a title. Even with a good coach, they don't have the pieces. That isn't even to mention that several of their best players are on their way out of the league. But where they really screwed up was giving Jordan that contract.... Bad move.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I can't see any way that he returns if he is serious about contending for a title. Even with a good coach, they don't have the pieces. That isn't even to mention that several of their best players are on their way out of the league. But where they really screwed up was giving Jordan that contract.... Bad move.

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Who do you consider their best players that are on the way out of the league? The ones that would be considered heading out of the league would be in this order, imo.... Grant Hill, possibly Chauncey Billups, Willie Green, Caron Butler, Lamar Odom...... I certainly wouldn't have called them the Clippers' 'best players'. Their best players, Paul and Griffin certainly aren't on their way out of the league. I remember Paul saying something about Chauncey being his best backcourt mate since he's been in the NBA but what exactly has Chauncey done since Paul has been there? LOL. I just don't really remember him making a huge impact on the court since Paul went to L.A.

I'd say several of their 'role players' are on their way out of the league, yes.

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Get it right!

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

He probably didn't hear anything. It's just what a lot of people will be thinking after a disappointing first round loss, especially since he didn't sign that 3 year extension.

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Yeah im not buying it either. Im not going to say whether he stays or goes, but people overreact to failure too often. I would be fine with us going after Paul, but i would actually rather give a young guy a chance. Whether it is Burke, Bledsoe, Shroedder i think we are better off growing than rushing for a title with CP3. Our lineup would be sick with Chris Paul though...

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

Who do you consider their best players that are on the way out of the league? The ones that would be considered heading out of the league would be in this order, imo.... Grant Hill, possibly Chauncey Billups, Willie Green, Caron Butler, Lamar Odom...... I certainly wouldn't have called them the Clippers' 'best players'. Their best players, Paul and Griffin certainly aren't on their way out of the league. I remember Paul saying something about Chauncey being his best backcourt mate since he's been in the NBA but what exactly has Chauncey done since Paul has been there? LOL. I just don't really remember him making a huge impact on the court since Paul went to L.A.

I'd say several of their 'role players' are on their way out of the league, yes.

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Perhaps I should have said "better" players, as the Clippers truly only have 3 good players. However, guys like Billups, Hill, Green, Butler, Odom, and you could even throw Barnes into that mix, the Clippers were relying heavily on them this season as a supporting cast, and they all fell flat. DeAndre Jordan should be on the way out of the league just because he sucks so badly. The point is that they haven't done anything, but they were expected to do something. That's why they are on the way out of the league, because they just aren't good any more.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

How can you honestly say that we don't have a better supporting cast than the Clippers?

Davis and Griffin were nearly a wash last season in terms of advanced metrics, and Davis was only a 19 year old rookie who needs to put on weight.

Gordon >>>>>>>> Eric Bledsoe

Anderson >>>>>>> Lamar Odom

Lopez >>>> DeAndre Jordan

Jason Smith >>>> Caron Butler

Role players like Rivers (6th man), Vasquez (trade bait), Roberts (spacer), and Miller (spacer). I even think we could get a guy like Matt Barnes to follow CP over to our team at the vet minimum. He'd give us a nice defensive veteran presence, and he can space the floor as well.

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If you think all those comparisons are accurate that's your opinion but it's not one that I share. Other than Gordon over Bledsoe and EJ has missed so much time and hasn't been very sharp the last two seasons that may even be debatable. The only other that's debatable is Anderson and Odom and that's when Odom is unfocused and/or out of shape.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Perhaps I should have said "better" players, as the Clippers truly only have 3 good players. However, guys like Billups, Hill, Green, Butler, Odom, and you could even throw Barnes into that mix, the Clippers were relying heavily on them this season as a supporting cast, and they all fell flat. DeAndre Jordan should be on the way out of the league just because he sucks so badly. The point is that they haven't done anything, but they were expected to do something. That's why they are on the way out of the league, because they just aren't good any more.

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Yep, and to think at one time I remember thinking how I'd like to have him on this team. Surely not anymore. And I started feeling this way BEFORE this season began.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

If you think all those comparisons are accurate that's your opinion but it's not one that I share. Other than Gordon over Bledsoe and EJ has missed so much time and hasn't been very sharp the last two seasons that may even be debatable. The only other that's debatable is Anderson and Odom and that's when Odom is unfocused and/or out of shape.

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Oooookay ;)

No debate between Odom and Anderson. Anderson has been way better the last two seasons.

I would say Jordan and Lopez are comparable. Jordan is much better defensively and rebounding while having a limited offensive game other than dunking. He has potential to be a Tyson Chandler lite. Lopez has more game offensively.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

No debate between Odom and Anderson. Anderson has been way better the last two seasons.

I would say Jordan and Lopez are comparable. Jordan is much better defensively and rebounding while having a limited offensive game other than dunking. He has potential to be a Tyson Chandler lite. Lopez has more game offensively.

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Jordan doesn't have the brain capacity or basketball I.Q. to ever be the player he should be. They are screaming for his head on the Clippers boards.

He shot a whopping 45.5% good for 3.7 ppg in the series, 30% FT, and 6 rebounds per game. Jordan is awful. And not worth twice the money of Lopez.

DeAndre Jordan is 7' and can jump well.

That is the extent of his basketball skills. Which aren't even basketball skills, mind you. Worthless. His career was on the way down before CP3 went there and let him have some highlight reel moments.

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Originally Posted by Emilio

Yeah, how has Paul avoided criticism regarding his bad playoff record? He has won only two series in his career. Don't we expect more from franchise players?

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Because people watched him play and thought "Good lord, this mother****er has to carry his entire team because no one else can do ****."

He doesn't like the name, he wants to win a championship in Lebron's prime and the pels are rebuilding. Chris Paul was my favorite player before he left the hornets. Sorry but I don't think he will be a Pelican maybe when he is at the end of his time in the nba but not know. I just hope he doesn't go to the Laker or Rockets

Bill Simmons is a Clippers STH and is one of the hosts of the ESPN NBA show with Magic and Wilbon. I think his opinion holds more water than you think.

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Originally Posted by DiMaggio dunks

Bill Simmons is a Clippers STH and is one of the hosts of the ESPN NBA show with Magic and Wilbon. I think his opinion holds more water than you think.

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I think most of us know all that but he didn't actually say anything concrete in that tweet. Even he himself said "it's wide open".

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

If you think all those comparisons are accurate that's your opinion but it's not one that I share. Other than Gordon over Bledsoe and EJ has missed so much time and hasn't been very sharp the last two seasons that may even be debatable. The only other that's debatable is Anderson and Odom and that's when Odom is unfocused and/or out of shape.

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EG/EJ was sharp in the 9 games he played two years ago. He also played regular 38/39 per game minutes. Not so much last year which honestly needs to be forgotten going forward. Otherwise you will make odd ball assessments based on an odd ball year. It's not debatable overall skills wise between Bledsoe and Gordon at all.

As far as CP3, the Clippers should be able to rotate in more talent to keep him happy there.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

EG/EJ was sharp in the 9 games he played two years ago. He also played regular 38/39 per game minutes. Not so much last year which honestly needs to be forgotten going forward. Otherwise you will make odd ball assessments based on an odd ball year. It's not debatable overall skills wise between Bledsoe and Gordon at all.

As far as CP3, the Clippers should be able to rotate in more talent to keep him happy there.

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There's no doubt when EJ is "right" he's better than Bledsoe. It just that Gordon has had so many issues and those things tend to add up.

My gut feeling says Paul stays with the Clips, but it's nothing more than a gut feeling. I don't see the cap space or enough tradable assets to get them over the hump though. I could see Chris in Dallas with Howard you know the Mavs need to recover from missing out on D-Will.

CPME will be on the move again. That's my gut feeling.

I think it's too early to know what Paul is going to do or wants to do. But if you let Matt Barnes tell it, CP is recruiting him to stay. Take it for what it's worth, which, right now, may not be worth a whole lot. Too early.

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Barnes was able to have a career season after he signed with the Clippers for the veteran's minimum before training camp began at the urging of Paul. Barnes had 30 points and 10 rebounds Friday against the Grizzlies. He said he will explore his options but hinted that Paul already had begun recruiting him to re-sign with the team.

"Chris and I have already been talking about it," Barnes said. "We talked about it on the plan last night. He's obviously the franchise player but we also talked about what I was thinking about doing. Without giving anything away, he was doing his job (in recruiting me)."

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http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...ers-eliminated

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

I think most of us know all that but he didn't actually say anything concrete in that tweet. Even he himself said "it's wide open".

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Nobody knows anything concrete at this point, but IMO, there's been smoke to this fire for months. When the news came out that CP3 wasn't happy with Griffin and Jordan's attitudes or competitiveness, I figure that meant unless they did well in the playoffs, he'd leave. At the end of the day, it's still the Clippers, so the odds of them getting him to sign an extension when they traded for him were slim.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

CPME will be on the move again. That's my gut feeling.

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People give CP3 heat for leaving, but I can't blame him. During that time we had no owner, no young talent, was in a horrible cap situation. But all that has changed we have a great owner who got a practice facility built, something the old owner couldn't do for a decade, with young talent to put around him in Gordon, Davis, Anderson, and hopefully another top 5 pick. It is a night and day difference in this organization from when CP3 left until now, and I think he will notice.

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

I think it's too early to know what Paul is going to do or wants to do. But if you let Matt Barnes tell it, CP is recruiting him to stay. Take it for what it's worth, which, right now, may not be worth a whole lot. Too early.



http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...ers-eliminated

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Yeah, but that was only a small quote in the article. It also said:

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"When I woke up this morning, little Chris had gotten in my bed and the first thing he said was, 'Daddy, why you lose again?' " Paul said. "I told my wife last night on the bus riding to the airport, that's the toughest thing now. He's old enough to understand what's going on and that we don't have any more games to go. I think about that type of stuff because that's my guy and we don't have any more games. He's going to be a little confused."

"I don't know. This right here was unacceptable," Paul said. "We lost in the first round to a good Memphis team but a team we were capable of beating. There are no moral victories ... I have nothing to do. This is unreal. We only played two weeks long than everyone else that didn't make the playoffs. That sucks. That stings."

"I'm going to take my time," Paul said. "I haven't even thought about it. I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do the rest of the day. I might go home and swim with my son or something. This is nuts. I don't know what to do. I purposely didn't put anything on my calendar because we're supposed to still be playing."

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He sounds completely dejected, and I think he knows that team is a lost cause.

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I don't want him right now. He can come back after his next contract is up in 4-5 years when the hornets are in the thick of competition and he can get a ring in a Jason kid type role. Let him retire here if he wants but I want a young core to build around.