The Missing Piece: Scouting Shabazz

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

I'm talking more about the his hissy fit he threw before the shot, not celebrating after the shot is a whole nother story.

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Well, Kobe has done that before. He shouts at Gasol all the time.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Well, Kobe has done that before. He shouts at Gasol all the time.

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We comparing Bazz to Kobe? If you think Bazz is the next Kobe than we take him first overall no doubt.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

It's a literal lack of defensive effort. Which is all defense is. You have to wanna defend. If he patently refuses, he's going to become the offensive inverse version of Nick Young.

But we'll see if he becomes more than he is on the next level.

Had a dream the Hornets got a top 3 pick again. But I never got to find out if we actually got THE top pick.

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thats crazy, i had a dream we got the 3rd overall pick.

For the few I have watched Muhammad I like his offensive game, his shooting form is beautiful and he's got some good moves.
What I don't like is his attitude, he reminds me of Cousins. Depending on with which chip/mentality he goes to the NBA, it could be very dangerous.

I think I'm all for drafting Burke, no matter where we pick.

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Originally Posted by Vinny6420

What is so good about Otto Porter? I read his bio on nbadraft.net but what is you opinion of the guy?

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Perfect glue guy, he can do every and anything, he is good at every aspect of the game, not great at any of them, besides maybe rebounding and defending but he can create his own shot, has a jump shot, mid range, 3pt, post game, athleticism, great passer, very smart.

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Originally Posted by takezor

For the few I have watched Muhammad I like his offensive game, his shooting form is beautiful and he's got some good moves.
What I don't like is his attitude, he reminds me of Cousins. Depending on with which chip/mentality he goes to the NBA, it could be very dangerous.

I think I'm all for drafting Burke, no matter where we pick.

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You can't say he got an attitude you dont know him!..... By the way he a cry baby too.

kobe supposed to have a bad attitude, he is a baller, rivers was supposed to have a bad attitude, he doesnt, if our FO thinks bazz is the BPA he is the pick

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

kobe supposed to have a bad attitude, he is a baller, rivers was supposed to have a bad attitude, he doesnt, if our FO thinks bazz is the BPA he is the pick

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Then I'm not worried at all!

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Then I'm not worried at all!

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ya me either, i do have a feeling we get the 3rd overall pick, last year i had a dream we got the first and it came true and last night i dreamed we got the 3rd, lets hope im right.

I'd rather be 1-2 or 6-8.

Smart or McLemore at 1-2 .

Burke at 5-8.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I'd rather be 1-2 or 6-8.

Smart or McLemore at 1-2 .

Burke at 5-8.

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Noel is a prize, IMO. He is going to give you everything Larry Sanders gives you and more.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Noel is a prize, IMO. He is going to give you everything Larry Sanders gives you and more.

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Yeah. I think Noel goes #1 honestly.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Noel is a prize, IMO. He is going to give you everything Larry Sanders gives you and more.

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True, I like Noel, but I just don't see our FO viewing him as in our top 4-5. We need big time help at the 1 and 3 spots.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

True, I like Noel, but I just don't see our FO viewing him as in our top 4-5. We need big time help at the 1 and 3 spots.

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Well, my dream is to land a top-3 pick, draft Noel, and trade Vasquez + Lopez to LAC for Bledsoe and a filler.

If Noel falls to us does no one like the idea of AD at the 4 and Noel at the 5?

By the way, good piece MM. I think Monty could get the most out of Bazz defensively. I think he could also help him improve as a defensive rebounder. He did wonders for Aminu.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

If Noel falls to us does no one like the idea of AD at the 4 and Noel at the 5?

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i sure as hell do.

We will get to land a stud! noel smart mclemore porter oladipo burke bazz... we are going to get a great player

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

We comparing Bazz to Kobe? If you think Bazz is the next Kobe than we take him first overall no doubt.

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I'll go on record with this. If Shabazz catches on, that's what his desire to be good will be compared to. Guys like Kobe, Melo, Durant, LeBron.

It's part of the prerequisite. It's part of why I haven't dismissed him offhand yet. Because if he actualizes his skills, he's going to be damn good.

He's more JR smith than Kobe IMO

Eh. Both players would elevate this team.

i dont think eman is comparing skill, more competitive drive and killer instinct like jordan, kobe and cp3 have.

and i dont like people comparing his game to jr smith or vince carter or high flyers like that, bazz uses his strength way more than his hopps, u could call him a bigger james harden maybe, i like paul pierce a lot also, jr smith's game is more similar to mclemore's than bazz's

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

and i dont like people comparing his game to jr smith or vince carter or high flyers like that, bazz uses his strength way more than his hopps, u could call him a bigger james harden maybe, i like paul pierce a lot also, jr smith's game is more similar to mclemore's than bazz's

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Jr smith just started driving again. Before this year he relied on questionable shots. Which is exactly what Shabazz does.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Jr smith just started driving again. Before this year he relied on questionable shots. Which is exactly what Shabazz does.

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JR Smith has NEVER backed anyone down. And he also doesn't crash the offensive glass. Like at all. They're almost polar opposites in that regard. Smith grabs defensive boards and ignores the offensive one, while Shabazz crashes one and ignores the other. Bazz also gets to the FT line a lot.

Which is another prerequisite for scoring a lot of points. Getting to the line.

Can't really compare his game to guys like JR Smith or Nick Young like NBADraft.net do. They may judge overall impact to be there, but his style of game is very old school like the OP said.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Jr smith just started driving again. Before this year he relied on questionable shots. Which is exactly what Shabazz does.

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ya but JR smith has always been known as a high flying dunker, i dont think bazz has nearly the same athleticism personally.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

JR Smith has NEVER backed anyone down. And he also doesn't crash the offensive glass. Like at all. They're almost polar opposites in that regard. Smith grabs defensive boards and ignores the offensive one, while Shabazz crashes one and ignores the other. Bazz also gets to the FT line a lot.

Which is another prerequisite for scoring a lot of points. Getting to the line.

Can't really compare his game to guys like JR Smith or Nick Young like NBADraft.net do. They may judge overall impact to be there, but his style of game is very old school like the OP said.

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agreed, bazz plays with a rugged mentality

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

JR Smith has NEVER backed anyone down. And he also doesn't crash the offensive glass. Like at all. They're almost polar opposites in that regard. Smith grabs defensive boards and ignores the offensive one, while Shabazz crashes one and ignores the other. Bazz also gets to the FT line a lot.

Which is another prerequisite for scoring a lot of points. Getting to the line.

Can't really compare his game to guys like JR Smith or Nick Young like NBADraft.net do. They may judge overall impact to be there, but his style of game is very old school like the OP said.

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J.R Smith also went into the NBA out of high school and hasn't really had much of a size advantage over anyone where Shabazz does against college players(to back people down). Their TS% are roughly the same as well as their eFG% Block % as well as their usage rates and turnover rates. Their Ortg and Drtgs are near identical as well (admittedly not a great measure). J.R. Smith IS a much more willing passer (shockingly enough). But yes, i think the comparison is fundamentally sound. You may disagree, and I hope we can agree to disagree if this hasn't swayed you.

True Shooting This year
JR Smith .522
Shabazz .528

eFG%
JR Smith: .484
Shabazz: .487


Block %:
JR Smith:.7
Shabazz:.4

Usage Rate:
JR Smith: 26.5
Shabzzz:29.8

Turnover %
JR Smith:8.8
Shabazz:8.6

oRtg
JR Smith:107
Shabazz: 110

dRtg
JR Smith: 106
Shabazz: 104.5

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

ya but JR smith has always been known as a high flying dunker, i dont think bazz has nearly the same athleticism personally.

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We agree there. I'm think in terms of overall game, not physical tools. Shabazz isn't in the same athletic class as Smith.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

We agree there. I'm think in terms of overall game, not physical tools. Shabazz isn't in the same athletic class as Smith.

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oh ok gotcha

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

J.R Smith also went into the NBA out of high school and hasn't really had much of a size advantage over anyone where Shabazz does against college players(to back people down). Their TS% are roughly the same as well as their eFG% Block % as well as their usage rates and turnover rates. Their Ortg and Drtgs are near identical as well (admittedly not a great measure). J.R. Smith IS a much more willing passer (shockingly enough). But yes, i think the comparison is fundamentally sound. You may disagree, and I hope we can agree to disagree if this hasn't swayed you.

True Shooting This year
JR Smith .522
Shabazz .528

eFG%
JR Smith: .484
Shabazz: .487


Block %:
JR Smith:.7
Shabazz:.4

Usage Rate:
JR Smith: 26.5
Shabzzz:29.8

Turnover %
JR Smith:8.8
Shabazz:8.6

oRtg
JR Smith:107
Shabazz: 110

dRtg
JR Smith: 106
Shabazz: 104.5

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bazz beat him in basically every catergory. Are Smith's stats from this year in the NBA?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

bazz beat him in basically every catergory. Are Smith's stats from this year in the NBA?

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Yeah. Not apples to apples but ya a comparison.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Yeah. Not apples to apples but ya a comparison.

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ok cool, those are pretty impressive stats for bazz. Do you happen to know bazz's win shares per 48?

I like what bazz could bring to our team in terms of skills. Next to GV EG he could shine.
The lineup that is exciting me the most would be Rivers-EG-Bazz-Ryno-AD. It could be a nightmare for the opposing team defense and we should be pretty good on defense.
I think that when you go pro and especially in organisation like the Pels with great expectations for the future and a head coach like Monty any overconfident/arrogant/headcase kid will watch his attitude. I mean, look what Monty did with Thornton. I trust Monty enough so I'm not worried about Bazz attitude. Plus Bazz will be surrounded by young vets, so he would be alright ;) .

I really like Burke, his gesture reminds me of a more scoring oriented version of young CP3, before CP acquired his charisma in his shot form and his court vision. He is not a very elegant passer, but an effective one. i think he could be very good for us. But what are we supposed to do with Gv and Rivers then if we draft Burke?

Pair AD and Noel could be a very interesting combination. Does Noel have some Drummond in him?

These are my 3 targets if CLE takes Porter before us.
Having the 5th pick this year puts us in an interesting position IMO :)

Victor Oladipo is made for this team. His work ethic, passion, tenacious defense, athleticism, and low key attitude is exactly what we need. The thought of him and AD gives me chills. I want this kid so badly.

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

Victor Oladipo is made for this team. His work ethic, passion, tenacious defense, athleticism, and low key attitude is exactly what we need. The thought of him and AD gives me chills. I want this kid so badly.

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if he can keep developing his jumper like he has over his college years he could be the best player in the draft.

Its probably a given we have to get rid of Gordon if we draft Oladipo. Not necessarily this year, because you know Monty likes to ease the rooks in, but once Oladipo proves he can flourish as a starter.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

if he can keep developing his jumper like he has over his college years he could be the best player in the draft.

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A good comparison is kind of Westbrook minus the attitude and "style" lol he has an indentical motor on offense and defense as Westbrook, if not better and a lot more tamed. That's why I want Oladipo soo bad, you never know what that motor may bring.

Also, any chance Oladipo can play point?

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Originally Posted by Kumar

Also, any chance Oladipo can play point?

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naa strictly a SG, could play SF in a small lineup

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Originally Posted by wuggie

A good comparison is kind of Westbrook minus the attitude and "style" lol he has an indentical motor on offense and defense as Westbrook, if not better and a lot more tamed. That's why I want Oladipo soo bad, you never know what that motor may bring.

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ya i see what ur saying, westbrook was drafted as an elite defensive prospect and whatever they got offensively was extra, he was pretty decent in college from 3 like oladipo