To Keep OR Trade Eric Gordon

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04-13-2013, 01:51 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I say trade him. I think we can get a high pick from PHX. We may have to take back some bad contracts for a year or two. I've always been a fan of building through the draft.

Gordon presents so many issues with so many scenarios that doesn't turn out positive for this team moving forward it's IMO the only logical course of action.

Based on what? This guy just got healthy for the first time since he has been here and what issues has he caused? Being injured from day one? Signing a max contract with another team when we didn't offer him one? He has done nothing wrong in my eyes.
04-13-2013, 01:58 PM
Eman5805

Having big money sunk into a non-productive player (if you aren't playing because you're hurt, you aren't producing) would be quite the hindrance to the team's future. He's only healthy now. Reasonably so anyway.

The big idea is that "Oh, wait until we have him for a full season." Which I bought into this time last year when he'd only played in like 9 games. Then come next November, he's out indefinitely. Not going to be suckered in anymore.

If we aren't fully committed to him or Gravy, if there are any doubts, move on ASAP. Both's value can and will depreciate over time if the same reasons persist.
04-13-2013, 02:05 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Having big money sunk into a non-productive player (if you aren't playing because you're hurt, you aren't producing) would be quite the hindrance to the team's future. He's only healthy now. Reasonably so anyway.

The big idea is that "Oh, wait until we have him for a full season." Which I bought into this time last year when he'd only played in like 9 games. Then come next November, he's out indefinitely. Not going to be suckered in anymore.

If we aren't fully committed to him or Gravy, if there are any doubts, move on ASAP. Both's value can and will depreciate over time if the same reasons persist.

I'm with you on that but I consider this year to be a continuation from last year since he never fully recovered apparently. So I'm willing to give him more time. The injury did get us another top 5 or 6 pick so it wasn't all bad.
04-13-2013, 02:07 PM
NOLa.

What if Gordon plays a full season next year?

Now hold on because I know that it's a fool's chance of happening, but his value could be at a all time high with his age. The only thing is he is a almost guaranteed 20-game absence a season it feels like.
04-13-2013, 02:16 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

What if Gordon plays a full season next year?

Now hold on because I know that it's a fool's chance of happening, but his value could be at a all time high with his age. The only thing is he is a almost guaranteed 20-game absence a season it feels like.

Lol you would think he would be due for an injury free year right?
04-13-2013, 02:24 PM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Based on what? This guy just got healthy for the first time since he has been here and what issues has he caused? Being injured from day one? Signing a max contract with another team when we didn't offer him one? He has done nothing wrong in my eyes.

This was not a healthy season for Gordon. He still missed a significant amount of games.

Whether or not you or I feel Gordon has done something wrong isn't the question. The question is will his situation help this team moving forward. For this answer to be a yes EJ has to

a) Stay healthy something he hasn't been able to do.
b) Accept the organization and city.
c) He must have his level of play and consistency matches his contract.
d) He doesn't opt out and/or be willing to sign another contract with this team.

If any of these things go wrong we are in a bad situation.
04-13-2013, 02:26 PM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

I'm with you on that but I consider this year to be a continuation from last year since he never fully recovered apparently. So I'm willing to give him more time. The injury did get us another top 5 or 6 pick so it wasn't all bad.

He managed to be healthy enough to try out for the Olympics team this past summer.
04-13-2013, 02:33 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

This was not a healthy season for Gordon. He still missed a significant amount of games.

Whether or not you or I feel Gordon has done something wrong isn't the question. The question is will his situation help this team moving forward. For this answer to be a yes EJ has to

a) Stay healthy something he hasn't been able to do.
b) Accept the organization and city.
c) He must have his level of play and consistency matches his contract.
d) He doesn't opt out and/or be willing to sign another contract with this team.

If any of these things go wrong we are in a bad situation.

Really only a and c are important. If those two are true we are without a doubt a better team so why would he leave. And even if he does he earned his contract and we really have nothing to feel sorry about. And we still could get full market value for him if he playing that well. I understand there are questions and concerns but I don't understand the need to get rid of him after we are just starting to see what he can do.
04-13-2013, 02:34 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

He managed to be healthy enough to try out for the Olympics team this past summer.

When he wasn't ready obviously.
04-13-2013, 02:39 PM
AD23forMVP

I might be in the minority but I think the better Eric plays less chance we move him.
04-13-2013, 02:46 PM
Mythrol

I don't want to rush and trade him for peanuts this offseason. I think the smartest plan of action is to listen to offers and if something sounds good take it. If not keep him. I don't want to trade him simply because he was injured in the past and might be injured in the future. His value will be highest next year before the trade deadline, so I wouldn't want to move him for a bad deal this summer. The risk is worth it.

Heck lets be honest. The hornets are going to only REALLY start competing on the tail end of his contract anyway. Worst case is we take a risk holding him and we are stuck with his bad contact two extra years or less. I don't expect us to have a team ready to compete until after next season anyway.
04-13-2013, 02:47 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I might be in the minority but I think the better Eric plays less chance we move him.

I hope that's true.
04-13-2013, 02:54 PM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Really only a and c are important. If those two are true we are without a doubt a better team so why would he leave. And even if he does he earned his contract and we really have nothing to feel sorry about. And we still could get full market value for him if he playing that well. I understand there are questions and concerns but I don't understand the need to get rid of him after we are just starting to see what he can do.

If Gordon isn't happy here why would he stay? If he opts out we will only have him for two more years(provided he doesn't force his way out before than).
04-13-2013, 02:56 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

If Gordon isn't happy here why would he stay? If he opts out we will only have him for two more years(provided he doesn't force his way out before than).

If we winning why would he be unhappy?
04-13-2013, 03:13 PM
takezor

38-17... The people have spoken.
04-13-2013, 03:19 PM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

If we winning why would he be unhappy?

1st this assumes we will be winning. 2nd we have witnessed several players in situation where they were winning and still wanted out of town. We were winning when CP3 left. Lets not act all naive like where players play have no bearing on there decision making process.
04-13-2013, 03:32 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

1st this assumes we will be winning. 2nd we have witnessed several players in situation where they were winning and still wanted out of town. We were winning when CP3 left. Lets not act all naive like where players play have no bearing on there decision making process.

Well if we not winnings than everybody will want out. And maybe I should say contending cause while we were not a bottom feeder when cp left we were no where near contention and we all knew that. Name one player making max money on a contender with other good players getting good minutes that's unhappy?..... Don't worry I'll wait.
04-13-2013, 03:40 PM
donato

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Originally Posted by takezor

38-17... The people have spoken.

People are stupid. :hihi:
04-13-2013, 03:52 PM
Shelbywmccarty

To Keep OR Trade Eric Gordon

Bulls could take a chance on Gordon and unload deng for same salary cause they have butler. Deng would be great for us. He is a little old and alot of wear but he is a great Monty 3. Draft dipo and he and ar share the 2
04-13-2013, 03:57 PM
LAedwardo87

Man this is so tough. Can't say I didnt see this coming. We all want him gone until he reminds us of how good he can be, and how he's exactly what this team needs... I say trade him if the value we get back is legit, but if not we should hold tight and hope for the best. But I just don't think I can handle another season of waiting for the team to be good, I'm sick of making excuses. It's time to focus on building the team around AD, no more drama, no more excuses... Im ready for some winning Pelican basketball!
04-13-2013, 04:06 PM
BallSoHard

To Keep OR Trade Eric Gordon

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I might be in the minority but I think the better Eric plays less chance we move him.

Makes perfect sense but replace more with better.
04-13-2013, 04:09 PM
Inner_GI

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I might be in the minority but I think the better Eric plays less chance we move him.

I agree. I don't think Gordon balling out increases his value all that much. His injury history will always prevent getting full value, so if he is going to play well, it might as well be with us. I'd like to move Gordon, but I think Vasquez is the more pressing concern.
04-13-2013, 04:11 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by Shelbywmccarty

Bulls could take a chance on Gordon and unload deng for same salary cause they have butler. Deng would be great for us. He is a little old and alot of wear but he is a great Monty 3. Draft dipo and he and ar share the 2

gordon for deng straight up? if he was 2-3 years younger i'd do it without blinking but at his current age I wouldn't.
04-13-2013, 04:18 PM
HornetGuru

Also if everyone is so concerned thinking Gordon doesnt have value because of his injury history how did monta ellis, someone who averages 21-6-4 get traded for andrew Bogut? someone who has an even worse injury history than our own Eric Gordon

Think we are blowing this out of proportion, why would dell demps, one of the best GM's in the league and a beast at player evaluation, give gordon a max contract knowing his injory history? Because there are only a handful of player in the league that can shoot, score, facilitate and defend. Gordon's trade value is plenty high!
04-13-2013, 04:20 PM
BallSoHard

To Keep OR Trade Eric Gordon

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Also if everyone is so concerned thinking Gordon doesnt have value because of his injury history how did monta ellis, someone who averages 21-6-4 get traded for andrew Bogut? someone who has an even worse injury history than our own Eric Gordon

Think we are blowing this out of proportion, why would dell demps, one of the best GM's in the league and a beast at player evaluation, give gordon a max contract knowing his injory history? Because there are only a handful of player in the league that can shoot, score, facilitate and defend. Gordon's trade value is plenty high!

Look at monta Ellis advance stats.
04-13-2013, 04:20 PM
NinthWardJay

To Keep OR Trade Eric Gordon

Keep him
04-13-2013, 04:21 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Look at monta Ellis advance stats.

just save me the time because i dont know which one u are referring to, just tell me what ur thinking.
Also im looking at ellis and rivers' rookie years and they are very similar, if rivers doesnt become our PG he can be a crawford or monta ellis for us off the bench like everyone keeps saying.
04-13-2013, 06:38 PM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Well if we not winnings than everybody will want out. And maybe I should say contending cause while we were not a bottom feeder when cp left we were no where near contention and we all knew that. Name one player making max money on a contender with other good players getting good minutes that's unhappy?..... Don't worry I'll wait.

You didn't say title contending you said winning.

Who is everybody? Are they apart of our future core or not under contract pass 2014? Most if not all first deal players re-up with their 1st team because their rookie deals are so low. So who are we concerned about losing if we aren't winning next year besides Gordon?
04-13-2013, 06:42 PM
Shelbywmccarty

To Keep OR Trade Eric Gordon

Gordon for klay and rich Jeff works too.
04-13-2013, 06:51 PM
MonsterMash

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Also if everyone is so concerned thinking Gordon doesnt have value because of his injury history how did monta ellis, someone who averages 21-6-4 get traded for andrew Bogut? someone who has an even worse injury history than our own Eric Gordon

Think we are blowing this out of proportion, why would dell demps, one of the best GM's in the league and a beast at player evaluation, give gordon a max contract knowing his injory history? Because there are only a handful of player in the league that can shoot, score, facilitate and defend. Gordon's trade value is plenty high!

Its fair to question keeping him due to his contract and injury history.

However, the second thing you said also has to be considered. Players who can be a plus everywhere, as Gordon is when healthy, are nearly as rare as unicorns in this league. Gordon can defend. Gordon can shoot. Gordon can handle the ball, isn't a selfish gunner and gets to the foul line at an elite rate.

Keeping him may not be the correct move, but those are the kinds of skill sets you take a chance on if you're inclined to roll the dice.
04-13-2013, 07:08 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Its fair to question keeping him due to his contract and injury history.

However, the second thing you said also has to be considered. Players who can be a plus everywhere, as Gordon is when healthy, are nearly as rare as unicorns in this league. Gordon can defend. Gordon can shoot. Gordon can handle the ball, isn't a selfish gunner and gets to the foul line at an elite rate.

Keeping him may not be the correct move, but those are the kinds of skill sets you take a chance on if you're inclined to roll the dice.

exactly, not only can he score in an awesome way he also is not a black hole or a chucker, he is a very willing passer. If gordon could stay healthy and didnt have past injury concerns there are not a lot of players in the league i would trade him for, only like 15.
04-13-2013, 07:11 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

You didn't say title contending you said winning.

Who is everybody? Are they apart of our future core or not under contract pass 2014? Most if not all first deal players re-up with their 1st team because their rookie deals are so low. So who are we concerned about losing if we aren't winning next year besides Gordon?

Now you changing the subject. Everybody is everybody. Nobody wants to play for a perpetually losing team. I'm not concerned about losing anyone at the moment. Maybe Aminu but that's another story all together.
04-13-2013, 07:13 PM
BallSoHard

To Keep OR Trade Eric Gordon

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

exactly, not only can he score in an awesome way he also is not a black hole or a chucker, he is a very willing passer. If gordon could stay healthy and didnt have past injury concerns there are not a lot of players in the league i would trade him for, only like 15.

That's an Empire state building sized "IF"
04-13-2013, 07:15 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

That's an Empire state building sized "IF"

ya thats the crappy part
04-13-2013, 07:16 PM
BallSoHard

To Keep OR Trade Eric Gordon

Trust me, I hope he does get healthy and blows it up.
04-13-2013, 07:27 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Trust me, I hope he does get healthy and blows it up.

Me too. I just wonder at what point does the trade Gordon obsession stop?
04-13-2013, 07:31 PM
BallSoHard

To Keep OR Trade Eric Gordon

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Me too. I just wonder at what point does the trade Gordon obsession stop?

When he stays healthy for a whole season and says he wants to be here to appease our overly insecure fanbase.
04-13-2013, 07:46 PM
Inner_GI

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Me too. I just wonder at what point does the trade Gordon obsession stop?

When he produces/plays for 67-82 games a year.
04-13-2013, 07:52 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

When he stays healthy for a whole season and says he wants to be here to appease our overly insecure fanbase.

Hasn't he said something similar already or he has to say those exact words.
04-13-2013, 08:09 PM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Now you changing the subject. Everybody is everybody. Nobody wants to play for a perpetually losing team. I'm not concerned about losing anyone at the moment. Maybe Aminu but that's another story all together.

You are the one who is suggesting that if we aren't "winning" by next year our whole team will be looking to play for another team. I'm simply trying to inform you historically that isn't how it works.
04-13-2013, 08:33 PM
BIG_CITY_BOI

if Benson is really serious about building us a winning franchise he'll find a way to get rid of Eric Gordon....he has to be the most overrated player in hornets history, the dude hasn't led a single team to the play-offs or a winning record but somehow he's a future all-star smh
04-13-2013, 08:38 PM
MonsterMash

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Originally Posted by BIG_CITY_BOI

if Benson is really serious about building us a winning franchise he'll find a way to get rid of Eric Gordon....he has to be the most overrated player in hornets history, the dude hasn't led a single team to the play-offs or a winning record but somehow he's a future all-star smh

By his play, he'll probably be a multi-time All-Star if he can stay healthy. As stated above, big "IF", but has nothing to do with ability level.

His teams haven't gone to the playoffs because they've been extremely young or not that talented. A healthy Gordon wasn't dragging a team full of 19-23 year olds into the West playoffs or last year's roster of misfit toys.
04-13-2013, 09:38 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

You are the one who is suggesting that if we aren't "winning" by next year our whole team will be looking to play for another team. I'm simply trying to inform you historically that isn't how it works.

never said by next year cause that's not realistic I would be happy with close to .500.
04-13-2013, 09:57 PM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

never said by next year cause that's not realistic I would be happy with close to .500.

Well considering next year will be the last time we really have to convince EJ not to force his way out. The following year he holds all the power with the opt out clause in his contract. All he has to do is say he'll opt out and that put us in a position of trade him or lose him for nothing after the year is up.
04-13-2013, 10:23 PM
DiMaggio dunks

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

When he stays healthy for a whole season and says he wants to be here to appease our overly insecure fanbase.

Doubting a basketball player's desire is not a sign of insecurity. People will want to keep Gordon when he proves he's not made of glass and acts like a man off the court. He gets attached to Phoenix and then felt threatened by Austin Rivers. Who's insecure?
04-13-2013, 10:29 PM
BallSoHard

To Keep OR Trade Eric Gordon

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Originally Posted by DiMaggio dunks

Doubting a basketball player's desire is not a sign of insecurity. People will want to keep Gordon when he proves he's not made of glass and acts like a man off the court. He gets attached to Phoenix and then felt threatened by Austin Rivers. Who's insecure?

Wait, he doesn't act like a man off the court :hihi: ?
04-13-2013, 10:32 PM
Topdawg26

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Originally Posted by Shelbywmccarty

Gordon for klay and rich Jeff works too.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat!
04-13-2013, 10:38 PM
Kumar

I wouldn't. Klay is sharpshooter who can't shoot or play defense. Richard Jefferson maybe an expiring contract but this trade just puts our team another year back in the rebuild.
04-13-2013, 10:49 PM
hornetstime247

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Originally Posted by Kumar

I wouldn't. Klay is sharpshooter who can't shoot or play defense. Richard Jefferson maybe an expiring contract but this trade just puts our team another year back in the rebuild.

klay thompson... the guy who has hit 207 threes on 40% shooting?
04-13-2013, 10:56 PM
GESWhoseBack

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Originally Posted by hornetstime247

klay thompson... the guy who has hit 207 threes on 40% shooting?

yeah a sharpshooter should hit at least 75 percent of his shots!

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