Wolves have more vets and their coach is a very experienced one. Much more experienced than ours.
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Wolves have more vets and their coach is a very experienced one. Much more experienced than ours.
The funny thing is, even though i have no problem with long posts, it was suppose to be two sentences. To get a little personal, i go to sleep early last night and i wake up early this morning. I don't wanna wake my girlfriend up so i take the laptop to the bathroom. It's 5:30 in the morning and i get on to see what people had to say about the game last night.
I don't see how long it is until i click post. And once i did see how long it was i knew i would catch some for it.
If you thought regardless of the length the post was garbage, and a waste of time, i have no problems with that. Like i said above, I'm up at 5:30, i post it about 6 something. I typed that in about 8-10 minutes while sitting on the throne, i wasted no time.
If you thought it was trash, i respect that and if you though it was to long, pretend you clicked a link to an article. If you thought it was too long and trash, pretend you clicked a link to a Bleacher Report article.
Drivel. Malcontentment that's just grabbing facts that fail to actually make this point other than "team bad, me mad."
Yes, you are mad. Yes, the team is bad. They were bad last year and the guy got extended. He's constantly praised as one of the best coaches in the NBA. He's more of a fact on this team than anyone, except Davis (when healthy). If anyone is losing anyone, some players may be losing themselves.
Being bad does not equate to the coach "losing" the team, not after 15 games. Get over it.
Cherry picking. Won't work. As if all vets are created equally.
Everyone on this board should be insulted that you actually think someone would buy this junk, "guru." Go find some children who can't dispute your grab-bag of bags and misdirection.
Half of this team's salary is not playing.
Half.
Go find a comparison. Best of luck.
This team sucks. You just don't know why.
Better players will fix the Hornet's problems this season. Aside from a couple guys returning from injury, I'm not expecting better players to appear on the team this season. Next season should bring on another good influx of talent and then we will start seeing some tangible results.
Never disagreed with the idea that the team sucks. The idea that veteran leadership makes this team better is silly. That was last seasons theme and it didn't do anything for the team.
This is a developing team. The kids on the team are trying to transition and find a role in the league. No amount of veterans are going to help without established talent and skill.
ust to clarify, I don't think what you said is trash at all....I think its the total truth, but I also don't think it contained any new information....that's all I was getting at....the bottom line is that we are going to struggle winning ball games without the likes of Gordon and Davis at the same time....heck, we are going to have our share of problems even when they do play...
Just realized what I wrote. Should definitely be "isn't going to fix the Hornet's problems this season". Talent is a huge issue even with Davis and Gordon in the line up. All they'll do is mask some of it. But at the end of the day, There are too many problems to overcome and talent is a huge one at that. We're just finding that out really early in the season.
We have a very young team with 2 of it's best players missing. Pair that with a young coach who is also learning. 3 years being a head coach isn't a whole lot of experience.
Sugar coating it won't hide the facts.
The team was bad last year, but more competitive during games. That's a fact and that was with massive amounts on injuries and no Ryan Anderson who is a very good player.
If a player is a "losing" it mentally, isn't it the coaches job to help get more focused? I'm not saying Monty is a bad coach, but he's not having the same effect on this team compared to last season right now. This team is easily getting blown out, not playing any defense at all compared to last season's team. The talent level is poor. Outside of Anderson, everyone else are backup type players, but was it that much different last season especially when most of the veterans were injured?
Its easy to say everything is going to be ok, but there's no evidence of that right now, there's no evidence of Davis and Gordon coming back anytime soon, and no evidence that Monty will get the rest of the guys to respond.
I could see Rivers improving and maybe Miller even though he's a role player at best, but guys like Vasquez, Aminu, Henry, and even Lopez probably won't because they don't have alot of upside. Smith has improved but even he's still probably a backup type player.
The lack of faith on here is sad. Am i going to pretend Monty has done a perfect job thus far? No; i question some of the rotations hes been using and his reluctance to play his rookies a little more. This is a rebuilding year dudes; i think ppl expected way too much this season. So many ppl were doubtful of the team before this season; the minute we go 3-2 ppl are overjoyed like we have become a playoff contender. We are young, we've got some raw young talent, slow the **** down take a deep breath.
I'm not flailing anything. I presented facts which shows how the team is worse than last season in certain areas, especially in effort areas and you're pretending to show me some facts which you really haven't. What, the talent is really bad? That Monty is a well-respected coach? We all know that. No one is saying otherwise. Its obvious without Davis and Gordon, this team stinks, but this team stunk last season as well yet showed positive effort in defensive metrics. This team isn't doing that at all. In fact, its the worst defensive team in the league. That's a fact. Evidence shows it, despite playing a really slow pace. Guys aren't doing what they're supposed to on the floor and there is certain areas where effort is lagging meaning, this team isn't focused or playing hard on a consistent level.
You cherry picked.
Oh really? Enlighten me.
I merely stated that this team doesn't play any defense at all, which is Monty's forte. In fact, he forces the offense to play a snail's pace to allow his defense to set up and yet guys aren't doing what they are supposed on the floor, whether its the veterans or young players. Last season it wasn't the case on the defensive end of the floor. However, that defensive effort and mindset is lacking. Maybe the players aren't buying what he's selling right now. I'm not saying its his fault either. Just saying these guys aren't doing what they're being told to do for whatever reason. And the talent level stinks outside of Anderson.
This team is what it is, and that's just not very good. Especially without Gordon and Davis. Just take a look.
Greivis Vasquez, a lot of people talk about how great of a backup he would be, but his physical limitations are just too big. People talk about how slow he is, but people don't seem to talk about the fact that his handle is not that good. Honest question, put Vasquez on OKC. Who gets the minutes behind Westbrook, him or Maynor?
Roger Mason, I won't go as far as saying "oh this guy wouldn't even have a job if it weren't for the Hornets," but I will say that he probably wouldn't see the court if it weren't for the Hornets. Why is nobody talking about how he is only shooting 39% and 36% as the starter?
Al-Farouq Aminu, I like him, but offensively he just has not made the improvements you wanted to see from him. We play the second slowest pace in the league (slowest last season) and score only 11 fast break points per game which is 24th, the guy will just not exceed offensively if you don't move faster than that. He's another starter for us that wouldn't see the court for some better teams.
Ryan Anderson, the only player worth a damn.
Robin Lopez, is he worth the 5M option next year? I don't think so. He plays hard, and he seems like a nice guy, but he just isn't very good. Seems a step slower than the rest of the league, can't really get off the floor, weak offensive game.
This team just needs another makeover. I wouldn't be the least bit upset if coming into next season the only guys who are still on this team are Gordon, Davis, Anderson, Rivers, and Smith.
I beg to differ. This is a classic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRrUI0BD9MI
Honestly commish, I wouldn't even call Vasquez a good backup right now. He's been terrible overall this season.
I'll give Mason the benefit of the doubt because he was brought in to shoot 3's and he's provided that. He has no other role in this league and he's doing that role well. He was supposed to be a backup.
Lopez? Backup.
Aminu? Defensive specialist off the bench.
Everyone else? Role players.
Good memories lol
I'd agree with everything you just said.
I'm losing patience with Greivis. He puts up stats, seems like a great team guy, but he just doesn't get it done on the court. Like I said earlier, his foot speed and ball handling just isn't good enough to be a rotation PG. I can get over the defense thing I guess, there are a ton of horrific defenders in the league playing PG. But you just can't be that slow and not have atleast a good handle.
Lopez, yes he's a backup. My hope has always been that we are just waiting for AD to fill out and add muscle then we'll slide him over to the 5 and Anderson will slide into the starting 4 role. Making Lopez a backup. But a 5M average backup? No thanks.
Aminu? I just don't know with him. He's a mind changer. You think you know him, then he goes on a small run that makes you think he may actually have something. I made a post this morning in which I said the worst part of having Gordon and Davis out is that you can't properly scout your own team. What I mean by that is, the last four games that Gordon played and Aminu started, he averaged 14 points on 53% shooting. Some guys just play better with other guys on the floor, that could be the case with Aminu. Because if you could have Aminu averaging 14 points on 53% and pretty much all of his buckets come from fast breaks, Gordon finding him on cuts, etc would anyone be upset? I'd take it.
are we an inconsistent bad team that gets lucky wins, or or we an inconsistent good team that loses when we shouldn't?
Everyone seems to have a career night against the Hornets.
Did you even watch the game?
Just quoting you on spurtstalk (a forum I visit often)
The effort and energy was great in the Clippers game. The fact they hit their shots does not mean anything in regards to their energy.Quote:
Probably because the team sucks and not many people care about the Hornets in the region. Heck, I haven't watched their last few games.
You cite victories and shooting percentages as if they relate to effort. You've admitted to not watching games. How do you determine the effort over those games when effort is intangible? If the game is close, does that mean their effort was better? Not necessarily. The team could try as hard as they possibly can and get blown out.
I would say some players' energy and effort has been consistent and others inconsistent. I would say that is more indicative of the players and not the coach.
I haven't watched all the games lately but some games like the Clippers and Jazz and parts of others.
I've noticed that when things go bad, this team fizzles quickly. Is it because they tune out the coach? Not necessarily, but it does mean that he's not getting through to them enough. Its one thing if this team was playing competitive in their losses and playing defense, but that's not happening right now. Does it mean that the coach is losing the team. Not necessarily, but you have to wonder why they are so prone to getting blown out and why isn't the defensive effort as good as last season. I didn't expect wins and losses with Davis and Gordon out, but I also didn't expect the routine blowouts and a Monty coached team being the worst defensively.
Dell Demps and Monty need to have a team meeting to figure out how to upgrade the roster. Point blank and period. Find guys who first and foremost have the talent to play in the NBA. This a basketball team not a social engineering firm. Let things like coachability, attitude, etc be the difference between guys of equal ability or like ability. Roger Mason, Brian Roberts, and Lance Thomas should be let go and replaced with guys who will actually challenge Vasquez, Rivers, Aminu, and Miller to be better basketball players... they don't need lessons in civility, manners, and professionalism. These guys have parents, agents, etc, who should help with that and if not then they need to be let go anyway. Again this is a basketball team, not a debutante cotillion.
When CP3 and West were here, we were able to see what Monty could do with a little bit of talent - unless, of course, you are someone who believes CP3 ran that team. Monty was a rookie coach then. We never were allowed to see him progress as a coach with these depleted rosters. Last year's team had some legit NBA players. Jack, Kaman, Ariza, Landry, and even Belinelli were NBA players. They just would be backups on most teams, and we had them starting. The D-Leaguers we did have on the roster were on 10-day contracts except for maybe Dyson (who came at the end) and Thomas. The team we have now is trying to pass itself off as an NBA team with the exception of Anderson. If it's a coaching issue, then we should see a difference in some of the players who have left this team. Jack is still Jack. Kaman...still Kaman. Ariza is still Ariza. And so on... None of them had drastic improvements once leaving the Hornets. They're playing just like they did when they were here. You can put Roberts or Mason or Lopez and anyone else on Pop's team, and it would not make a difference. Kudos to Monty for getting the little he can out of this team. Give the man some talent, Dell!
we're hindered by Rashard Lewis' 13.7 million dollar buyout this year.. what do you expect them to do when you have no money and lackluster players to trade. Dell is good, but he cant rob every gm he's tries to.. once that money frees up, we'll have the ability to sign a big name player or a couple decent players to actually have a full roster of nba players, and not d-leaguers. This should be our last year of mediocre performances.. i hope
If I was talking about top end talent, then I wouldnt have made the reference to them challenging clear role players like Aminu, Vasquez, etc. We have too many guys on this roster who would not be in the LEAGUE if it wasnt for us. In a zero sum game, if there is non-NBA talent on our team then there is an excess somewhere. Thats where Dell needs to be.