He's played 2 games though..
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How does anyone think that a PG who has shot around 40% for his career and 30% on 3s for his career with a TO to Ast ratio of no better than average is going to lead a team anywhere. He is someone that will win you games every once in a while with his streaky shooting. Then he'll lose you just as many games when he isn't hot. He would need to show some major improvements or ability to be molded (for a good contract never overpaid) for me to have any interest. Not the kind of guy who wants to take the back seat (which he will have to) to Anthony Davis and Gordon (if he's ever healthy). I like the idea of a PG whose got handles and can pass the ball well and penetrate, maybe even spot up. We don't need a guy putting up 25 shots a game and shooting 40% while doing it.
I think the Hornets maybe done with those "bad contracts".
I think this is a great question. I'm generally in favor of the "slow rebuild" that is focused on getting another good player in the draft, and then adding an impact free agent after next season. It's certainly also important to get a good feel for the strengths and weakness of the current team over time. They've been great so far, but let's see how things look in February. As a fan, I'm so optimistic for the future that I have no problem being patient for another year. Plus it seems wiser to "wait and see" what we really have in our current roster. Will Rivers improve significantly over the season? Will Gordon be healthy? How good is Aminu? What is Ryan Anderson's role on the team? Etc. We won't know what and how to add onto the team until the answers to these questions become clearer.
However, what if the Brandon Jennings of the first week of the season is the "real" Brandon Jennings? What if he has become one of the top ten (or top five) point guards in the league? If he is that good, and if we feel his talents will complement the current roster, then you have to consider the deal. But I sure would hate to have to take on that Gooden contract.
Look up his first three years in the league vs. Tony Parker's. Across the board, if you average out the three seasons, their numbers are very similar. Both came into the league at 19. And Tony Parker had studs to play with from day one. This is why I dont consider Jennings a finished player yet- I have never seen him play with another guy who can make him better. A guy who can finish at the rim like Davis or a big who can hit the three like Ryno. Guys who will create space on the floor for him. I have seen him play in Milwaukee with guys who other defense don't respect and have watched him have to do more than he should have to. Put him on a team where he is the third or fourth option and all of a sudden the game becomes a lot simpler for him and those percentages go up.
Agreed, and Jennings has improved every year. Last year, I didn't want him on this team, but this year, I'm good with it. I think our team would intrigue him, and he would be a lockdown defender for Monty - dude is one of the quickest players in the league. I don't think he'd be as much of a chucker here - especially when Monty puts him in a "box."
By the way, he is 34.4% from 3 for his career, so I don't know what this Schmide guy is talking about.
I like Jennings too, but he and Davis aren't enough. We need Gordon in this mix and if he's not reliable, I wouldn't go all out for Jennings.
Why couldn't we have Jennings, Gordon, AND Davis? If we do something like Vasquez + a 1st round pick for Jennings, our roster would be:
PG - Jennings, Rivers, Roberts
SG - Gordon, Rivers, Henry
SF - Aminu, Miller, Henry
PF - Davis, Anderson, Thomas
C - Lopez, JSmith
That is a championship roster in 2 years.
Mason is a nice fit with this team, and to be honest, I completely forgot about him. That was just the roster for this year ^
Warrick and Henry are gone. Thomas and Roberts are dirt cheap contracts, and I think we'll be able to re-sign Aminu to a much cheaper contract.
You can't build a team predicting that your best player will get injured. We have Rivers, who will be a big time player for us, and he can play both SG and PG. Miller can also play SG, and Mason can play Sg.
I'm saying that a healthy core of Jennings, Gordon, Rivers, Davis, and Anderson is elite.
I don't know guy's.
I'm a bit indifferent about this.
If Gordon stays and keeps healthy I think Jennings would be a great fit.
However if Gordon is traded......I dont see the point in rushing things when we wont win a championship with Jennings anyway.
I'd go after him in FA or maybe trade Vasquez, Henry and Warrick or give up our first pick.
But I dont see the Bucks letting him walk.....they have enough money to offer him the max.
A team of:
PG: Jennings/Vasquez
SG: Gordon/Rivers
SF: Aminu/Miller
PF: Davis/Anderson
C: Lopez/Smith
Is bloody impressive though!
rather try and trade for monta ellis and include eric gordon in the deal
See to me that's a curious argument, that you would do it if Gordon is healthy, but not if he isn't. Jennings with or without Gordon doesn't throw off our rebuilding efforts since all of our core players are under 25. He's not 29,30-33, he's 23 years old and he would be worthy of what ever Dell Demps offered him.
As a young talented and explosive PG, he would fit right into our rebuilding effort, actually he would advance it, because you're adding a young guy that hasn't hit his prime yet, some one who can still help you now and help take some of the pressure off of the inexperienced guys.
Also he insures that PG won't be your undoing as you go up against the better teams, because talent for talent our front line is going to play with anybody, being experienced and crafty won't really be that much of advantage against Aminu,Davis,Lopez,Anderson and Smith.
But that will Kill us at the guard position, and with what we have on the frontline, i'll take Brandon Jennings all day against Paul, Parker, Nash, Williams, Westbrook, Rondo and all of the young, up and coming PGs and not lose sleep, because he'll give as good as he gets and those battles. You can't say the same for Vasquez, he'll be the reason, as a start we lose the battles or get taken advantage of.
That team is a mess. They are going to lose both Ellis and Jennings due to their incompetence.
Jennings Uncertanty Articlehttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...sct=nba_t12_a0
Bucks GM all but admits in that article that you need top 5 picks in order to get good in the NBA. If Milwaukee is a middle of the pack team in January, I could see them pulling a Golden State from last year and trying to bottom out in order to get more ping pong balls.
But I don't see any way they take Vasquez after reading that article. A trade for Jennings would require Rivers, and as much as I like his potential I would do it. Meanwhile, Milwaukee goes young with Rivers, Henson, Udoh, etc. and is horrible for 2-3 years while they pile up the top 5 picks their GM so desperately craves
I would have traded Rivers before the extension deadline with an extension < Max Money in place. If we do this now, we may have to swallow a poison pill contract or just lose him if not. I'm pretty torn. I'm dont have a "Rivers is untouchable" trade philosophy, but if we trade him i'd expect a guaranteed asset for longer than half a season.
I also am torn because I think WE need to suck for another season and get another top 10 pick this season.
The thing with Jennings is he has greatness in him. I think everyone knows he has a chance to be special. He just turned 23 years old, and as has been said, he really hasn't played with a lot of help around him. The guy for all of his imperfections was 11th in PER last season amongst PG's. As we have seen this year, through three games he has averaged 17.7 points, 10.3 assists, and 4 steals a game. 4th in PER behind only Kyle Lowery, Kyrie Irving and Chris Paul.
It would be a bold move, there would be risks, but I think the possible reward would be well worth it. You have to dream big.
I Honestly think they would do it for our first round pick with out second guessing the move and with out having to include Rivers. i would still want to hold on to Rivers in case Eric Gordon continues with the injury issue or if we decided to trade him.
I would love to see Rivers develop as a true shooting threat from the SG position, ala Ray Allen along side Brandon Jennings, while still having the ability to handle and drive.
And if they want Vasquez based on his stat sheet, they can have him. I would also be willing to take Larry Sanders off of they're hands for debt at the center spot, so we could maintain an energy/shot blocking guy if Davis or Lopez has to miss time, some one help us if they're ever injured at the same time. I'm just saying we wouldn't always have to play Smith or Anderson at the C, both of their games are best facing the basket.
I don't, i think this was the draft to get 2 picks in. Anybody we get in next year's draft will probably be late lottery, a guy that i doubt will come in and make a real impact on this team enough to justify and extensive playing time. I think we're going to Win next year and a late lottery pick is going to be at the beginning stages of his development to early to help this team win.
This team is so young that we really don't need to be adding lottery picks for the sake of just adding lottery picks. That means you're losing, and i don't see them doing that, since this young talented team won't be losing on purpose/tanking, again i think the lottery pick will be late.
If that pick is going to be late lottery, why not trade it for a player who can definitely help you starting this year, which would further cement the pick as a later pick. A player who might be around the same age as they guy you would take in the draft, because who say's we would take a 19 year old again.
No brainer if we have the chance.
The thing about trying to get a top 10 talent is that you want the skills without paying the price. Jennings IS a top 10 talent or better. But he's going to command a hefty price.
Jennings is not eligible for a Poison Pill offer. Poison Pills are a consequence of the Gilbert Arenas rule intended to help teams keep 2nd rounders that blow up. Jennings can get more money than we're willing to pay, but it can't be structured unfavorably like Houston did to get Lin and Asik.
Dunleavy is shooting a ridiculous 82% from 3's this season.
No way. I wouldn't want Jennings without the bad contract on top of it. The guy will never win in this league. Certainly not anywhere near a top 10 point guard.
Rose
Nash
CP3
Deron
Irving
Wall
Rondo
Lawson
Rubio
Westbrook
That's just to name a few...
I know nothing about anything, but I just don't believe Benson bought into this venture looking to make much (if any) of a profit right now....and I think he is willing to spend whats necessary (within some kind of reason, of course) to build a winner here....if I am wrong, then just color me naive....