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I feel he will get traded.
First, you don't know the person. Second, it is a business transaction. The Hornets are far more valuable with Paul than they are without him. It is simple math, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
And if Chouest is putting ticket sales above objective evaluation of maximizing talent then he'll be a failure as an owner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
The Heat have not enjoyed great support in the stands since they were last relavent 3-4 years ago. People there went to see a winning team, not Dwayne Wade. OTOH, LeBron is a special enough player to make garbage filled rosters relavent year after year. The media attention he gets also far surpasses anything Wade or Chris see or will ever see. With that has come a ridiculous amount of national TV games and a packed house for year after year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
the mess bower has this team in currently makes it even more difficult. can't build around a guy when you don't have the means/assets/contacts, etc. we are in cap hell for the past two seasons and have added okafor deal with no major relief in sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown Poster
This will remain the place where you and I differ. I do not think it is a foregone conclusion. Others feel otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harvey Hornet
The Hornets are not a good investment with Paul or not. There are few NBA franchises that are good investments, even Dallas is losing money along with Cleveland. Chouest is buying the team because he loves basketball and will have a chance at a good investment IF the NBA business model is changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
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Originally Posted by geaux hornets
Yep! Which, as you suggest, points to Paul saying 'yo dawg you didn't improve the roster,' and leaving when his deal is up.
When the year started, we had our fair share of nationally televised games and a player who is the face of Team Jordan and one of the new faces of the league. The feeling around the league is that Paul is a LeBron caliber player, when healthy anyway. That is a completely different discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
And yet the team still didn't make money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Chouest is buying the team at a discount and not because he "loves the team". A fool and his money will soon part company. He could love the team from a courtside seat. He's buying to the team because he wants to make a profit while building a successful franchise. Don't be fooled. Just like it's a business for the players, it is a business first for the owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
playing devil's advocate. what do we know. a player who have proved less than chris paul in bosh is leaving for the opportunity to win. a player in lebron who has had his way and say is entertaining leaving for a new opportunity to win. why would chris paul think any differently especially with his recent injury woes and hearing players like kevin garnett give advice on how to handle his career?
Sure, he wants to make a profit but he's not a random businessman like Ray Wooldridge who doesn't really give a crap about the team. If Chouest didnt have the basketball ties he has would he be buying this team today? Probably not. The Hornets are not a good investment right now with Chris Paul. If you have the chance to deal him and build a good team with 3-4 new players you do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Not really -- its part and parcel. You're arguing that Paul is central to the team's ability to attract other marquee players and a some of us are disagreeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Paul is not a 'LeBron' caliber player. Media-wise Paul and the Hornets pale in comparison to the hype around LeBron and the Cavs. Obviously the primary difference is wins and losses but that only goes to show that regardless of big name players if you win/contend for a title you're going to get media hype and new media stars will arise.
How sad would it be that we would have to trade the best thing this organization has had happen to them in order to unload terrible contracts of players that a pathetic, incompetent GM took on in terrible deals? To top it off, that incompetent GM would outlast the face of our franchise. What a failure of an organization that would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYKF Hornet
Discount the effects of the economy over the last three or so years all you want but that doesn't mean that NBA teams cannot (and should not) be profitable. See it how you choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
Trading Paul is a really dumb idea.
First, any team that the hornets trade with will have to gut themselves for the hornets to get anywhere close to equal in value. Okay, so Paul leaves one roster with holes in it for another roster that has just been gutted. Wow, he is really going to resign with his new team.
Second, Kobe had no reason to resign with the Lakers after Shaq was traded, but he did.
Third, with the super free agency that is about to happen, a Bosh/LBJ, Bosh/Wade, or LBJ/Bosh/Wade team could form and thus no one will be competing for a championship but the super team of 2010 free agents.
How can you critique NIH saying 'you don't know the man,' and then make a statement like this? And to say there's no difference between cheering on a team from luxury seats versus owning from a pure fan perspective is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Lebron James > Chris Paul in more ways than one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
For just one of many examples, please see CP3 defend Lebron in Cavs vs. Hornets at towards the end of the season. That's just the tip.
Right now this franchise is subpar with or without CP3. I want to see him stay here as much as anyone, but if trading him for the right pieces can make the right start towards rebuilding by bringing in some good pieces and moving some bad ones (not calling CP3 one of the bad ones here) then it's something the franchise has to seriously consider. I'd rather do this now than to prolong the inevitable and have him walk in 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by chubbs91
No way we should just give away CP3, but if we can make a quality deal and start rebuilding now instead of 2 years from now, it would just be irresponsible to not consider.
NBA teams have been struggling for years now and it has more to do with the business model than the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
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Originally Posted by clueless_02
maybe because he won rings with that franchise. they proved they could put together a team to win a championship.
Yeah, the whole world saw the Gasol trade happening in 2004
Thank God you're not our GM.Quote:
Originally Posted by clueless_02
Why should we care? Our concern should be improving the New Orleans Hornets, not continuously stroking CP3's ego.Quote:
First, any team that the hornets trade with will have to gut themselves for the hornets to get anywhere close to equal in value. Okay, so Paul leaves one roster with holes in it for another roster that has just been gutted. Wow, he is really going to resign with his new team.
Horrible example IMO. The L.A. market alone is enough for any scrub to want to be a Lakers. Their history is another.Quote:
Second, Kobe had no reason to resign with the Lakers after Shaq was traded, but he did.
How are you so sure that this will happen? I cannot see any team being able to afford paying those three guys and not be in luxury tax hell. Which are willing to do that in these tough times for the league. And how are they guaranteed the title?Quote:
Third, with the super free agency that is about to happen, a Bosh/LBJ, Bosh/Wade, or LBJ/Bosh/Wade team could form and thus no one will be competing for a championship but the super team of 2010 free agents.
Maybe not but he knew the Lakers were capable of doing what had to be done to win a title. The Hornets have not been past the 2nd round in their 20+ year history and have been mostly inept since Paul has been drafted. Why in the world would he be confident in that situation?
ha? great username by the way! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by clueless_02
"Hornets won't promise to keep Paul"
My first impressions: Well duh?! Ofcourse they won't you silly journalists
Well, I'm sure that the other team just wants to rent CP3 for a season.
Re laker history: And why was Kobe whining for a trade before Gasol happened.
Oh, I don't know, teams have only been saving up for this summer for like forever: the heat have room for possibly three max contracts, the knicks have room, the nets have room, etc.
Jeff, if you trade CP, i promise you i am out of here
....naaa I lied! I just can't! But dang you Jeff if you do trade him away..
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Originally Posted by clueless_02
lets not confuse the lakers with the hornets. chris paul is no kobe. what has the hornets front office done to show any resemblance of continuity. we made a year run and flamed out in the second year. situations are not similar.
I think we all need to prepare ourselves for a CP3 trade...
How is saying that someone doesn't "know the man" criticism? People thought they "knew" Tiger too. And you speak like someone who hasn't earned a billion dollars. It's okay, most of us haven't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown Poster
Increased wins = Increased attendance
Even with CP3, the attendance was atrocious until the team started to win big. CP3 wasn't the reason why fans came. It was all about winning.
LeBron vs. CP3 similar to Apples vs. Oranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandAdmiral
And you see the team having an easier time winning without him? How?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
Many on this board have talked about how they where/are on the fence about renewing/purchasing tickets. I have spoken with friends/family/others who are also on the fence about whether or not to purchase/renew. I know so many people harp on the concept of winning sells tickets, but do any of you honestly think a trade for chris paul (ill use the NJ one for example) for harris lopez picks or whatever it was will make us a winning season NOW? That roster (if our draft is not a bust) will probably not be a "winning" team until 2-3 seasons. Those young players/draft picks will have to develop and gel together. a roster of Harris thornton draft pick west/draft pick lopez is not winning many games in the west this season or even next. I brought up the season ticket holders because initially I think people will be extremely upset that we traded away the player they love the most. The media will not be able to spin any trade for chris paul unless it includes a superstar. I think all those people that are on the fence will find that there is no reason to spend thousands of dollars on tickets to watch a team develop. Initially people are not going to care enough to spend all their money on the Hornets. But yea sure if the team is still here in 3-4 years and are team is somehow good then yeah sure people will buy tickets. Sure if you want to argue that this isnt Chris paul's team go ahead, but the hornets will INITIALLY lose fans if you trade chris paul.
The Lakers were very good before the Gasol trade. They were dominating that season with Bynum and Odom starting. The Gasol trade occurred after Bynum's knee injury that season. Let's not act like the Gasol trade made them winners overnight. They were 1st in the West before the Bynum injury, and only traded for Gasol after the injury.
Sure, if we add the right pieces like I have mentioned a few times I can see us winning fine without him. It's not like the Hornets have exactly lit the world on fire with him.
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Originally Posted by chubbs91
If you add Lopez, a top 3 pick, another starter along with our 11th pick we would win now. The West isn't what it was a few years ago.
At the end of the day you have to think long term, especially with the lockout and the chances of Chris bolting. Not making a move because of a knee jerk reaction from fans would be extremely dumb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_P...80.9310_seasonQuote:
Summer 2010
During the biggest summer of free agency in NBA history Chris Paul steals the show early & is now a member of the Orlando Magic due to a trade that consisted of Paul & James Posey going to Orlando & Jameer Nelson, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, & 2010 1st round pick (29th overall) being shipped back to New Orleans.
wtf....haha
Because the media is tired of being scooped by message boards so they are being irresponsible and making mountains out of mole hills?Quote:
Originally Posted by NBA Champs
Don't get me wrong, I think there's more chance than ever because you have a owner in the equation with unusual motivations (building a global brand which requires not just star power but superstar power) and the Hornets get to latch LeBron onto a CP3 trade giving Paul more value than normal. Still, I think the Nets are the only legit option and only if they are willing to give up the one player they said they wont.
I never said the team would win more without him. I only said that attendance is related to winning, not CP3. Collison is a legit starting PG and will be an All-Star soon. The team isn't build to win with CP3 anytime soon except max 45-50 games and eliminated early in the playoffs. which isn't worth the current salaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
So if a team has the championship pieces in place, why would they trade them for CP3? Are they CP3 fans? And actually, we did "light the world on fire with him" before the debacle in Denver. Or was that all his fault? I remember him being the only person who showed up.
If DC continues to build on his rookie year, he appears to be a PG that could lead a team with the right pieces. Right now, CP3 may be the best PG in the league, but we don't need the best PG to win if we have the other pieces. Even trading CP3 for some good pieces wouldn't be enough, but would be a start. We might not have an easier time winning without him, but I can't say we would be worse without him if we could get some good pieces in exchange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Again, I don't want him to go and certainly wouldn't give him away, but if it helps the team get better...
Trading Paul for this so called value is pointless. No player/s or picks that we'll be able to net for Paul will come in and make his team competitive. We're going back to the lottery for the years to come if or when we lose Paul. No one wants to come to a team without direction unless we hand out some ridiculous contracts to second tier players. If we're going to end up in irrelevency regardless of how we lose CP, I'd rather do it by riding Paul out.
I dont see that anymore on his wiki page but it does say that he is a member of the Orlando Magic under his picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy
DC doesn't have "it". That is only my opinion of course.
Trading Chris Paul is the best thing for this franchise if we get decent value in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by chubbs91
If we wait until next season he won't be worth nearly as much after another year out of the playoffs and it being painfully obvious that he won't re-new with us.
A team could trade for him to attract a FA like World Wide Wes is pushing or a team could trade for him after signing a big time FA in a somewhat promised deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
I also wouldn't call one playoff series win in three years lighting the world on fire, especially when players like Wade and LeBron have already been to the finals and won a title in Wade's case. Now Chris has had two playoff appearances in five years and one advance in that time, certainly not lighting the world on fire at all.
someone on the cavs forums said on sportscenter it said nets have offered Devin Harris and the 3rd pick.