what we need to do is just throw a dart at the wall. picking 21st is a total crap shoot, or make it some fan contest. register to win the chance to make the selection.
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what we need to do is just throw a dart at the wall. picking 21st is a total crap shoot, or make it some fan contest. register to win the chance to make the selection.
:hihi: sounds like a better plan and evaluation than that of the 3 scouts that exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugeaux II
Is there a general consensus that we will actually keep the pick this year?
I wasted my time researching the potential picks last year and do not want to repeat that mistake.
This is a weak draft and NOH should look to a full rebuild. That being said Id want to take someone with a lot of potential but the downside is that they could be a bust. BJ Mullens and Austin Daye are guys I'm looking at.
They said the same thing last year and almost every year before that. The draft always look weak early on. Last year, everyone thought that draft was extremely weak and by the time it rolled on by... everyone was shocked to see more than one really talented player available when the hornets was on the clock.
I'm glad we sold the pick. Without selling the pick we would have been swept rather than winning one game in the playoffs. Having Bowen and not a rookie made the difference in going out in 5 and not 4.
A lot of this has to do with the uncertainty of overseas prospects. Some teams are sold more on certain guys than others, and some teams are more inclined to integrate these players into their systems than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nola Hornet
I'm just curious, and not to single juju out exactly, but what counts as a strong draft? I'm sure everyone knows that draft classes like 1984, 1995, 2003 only happen once in a decade, so what are other good draft classes as far as projected potential goes?Quote:
Originally Posted by juju99
I hope it is a good backup, that can help give rest to the starters. It would be awesome if they could get a starter though.
This is Draft Express' mock as of now.
Who would you go with?
15 Pistons DeJuan Blair PF/C 20 years old; 6'7"; 265 lbs.Pittsburgh, soph.
16 Bulls James Johnson PF 22 years old; 6'8"; 235 lbs.Wake Forest, soph.
17 76ers Jeff Teague PG/SG 20 years old; 6'2"; 180 lbs. Wake Forest, soph.
18 Heat Eric Maynor PG 21 years old; 6'2"; 175 lbs. VCU, Senior
19 Hawks B.J. Mullens C years old; 7'0"; 260 lbs.Ohio State, Freshman
20 Jazz Jrue Holiday PG/SG18 years old; 6'3"; 185 lbs. UCLA, Freshman
21 Hornets Patrick Patterson PF20 years old; 6'8"; 223 lbs.Kentucky,soph.
22 Mavericks Chase Budinger SG/SF 21 years old; 6'7"; 218 lbs.Arizona,
23 Kings Austin Daye SF/PF 20 years old; 6'10"; 190 lbs.Gonzaga, sophomore
24 Trailblazers Gani Lawal PF/C 20 years old; 6'8"; 233 lbs.Georgia Tech,
25 Thunder Sam Young SF/PF 23 years old; 6'6"; 210 lbs. Pittsburgh, Senior
26 Bulls Tyler Hansbrough PF 23 years old; 6'9"; 230 lbs.North Carolina
27 Grizzlies Magic Darren Collison PG 21 years old; 6'1"; 165 lbs.UCLA, Senior
28 Timberwolves Celtics Marchus Thorton 21 years old; 6'4"; 198 lbs. LSU
29 Lakers Wayne Ellington SG 21 years old; 6'5"; 190 lbs. North Carolina,
30 Cavaliers Nick Calathes PG/SG 20years old; 6'5"; 185 lbs. Florida,
Patterson, hands down
Tyler Hansbrough, anyone? ;)
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I like the thought of Dejuan Blair, Mullens (ouchh), and even Nick Calathes.
In the other one-draftexpress, it would be hard not to pick the senior SG out of arizona.
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21. Nick Calathes
Point Guard. Florida
Calathes is an excellent facilitator, clearly a pure point guard and his shooting percentages improved as a sophomore.
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22. James Johnson
Power Forward. Wake Forest
Johnson really enjoys attacking the rim and will need to prove that he is big enough to be a 4 since he doesn't have the skill set of a wing.
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23. Omri Casspi
Small Forward. Maccabi Tel Aviv
Casspi is a great scorer and that is largely a result of how much work he does prior to catching the ball. He is always moving and intelligently moves into space and proves to be a tough cover for this very reason. He is always cutting to the ball and then he looks to finish buckets physically and dunk on people when possible.
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24. B.J. Mullens
Center. Ohio State
Mullens has good elevation and strength to go with a sophisticated set of post moves. Mullens also has good vision as a passer, though the college game was a little too quick for his decision-making.
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25. DeJuan Blair
Power Forward. Pittsburgh
Blair is ridiculously strong and without a lot of lift or much height, he'll need that to power through NBA defenders.
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26. Wayne Ellington
Shooting Guard. North Carolina
(This pick belongs to Chicago.) Ellington has a good pedigree, solid athleticism and has made marked improvement as a perimeter shooter.
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27. Sam Young
Small Forward. Pittsburgh
(This pick now belongs to Memphis) Young was an unstoppable beast in the Big East, but will he have enough length and skill to work inside in the NBA?
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28. Eric Maynor
Point Guard. VCU
The buzz on Maynor has undoubtedly been staring me in the face, so penciling him into the 28th spot gives me a chance to at least comment on him ahead of my forthcoming full draft report. With all of the other guards that are out there, I don't see him as anywhere close to the other guards. He is unquestionably a very pure scorer, but is more of a scoring point than a pure point; a four-year point guard that commands as much attention as a scorer as Maynor did at VCU should get more easy shots for teammates than he did. Also, how will he adjust to a system where he can't overdribble and isn't the focal point? Lastly, I'm not uniformly skeptical of small school seniors, but the upside of said players is almost always dubious.
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29. Tyler Smith
Small Forward. Tennessee
The way Trevor Ariza has succeeded in the Lakers' system makes me think that Smith could have a similar type of impact. He isn't quite as athletic, but he is far more skilled at this point in his career than Ariza was during his Knicks' days.
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30. DaJuan Summers
Small Forward. Georgetown
Summers' development this season was disappointing, but he is the kind of player very good teams love to have. He is a blue-collar player with some All-Star skills. He has good range on his shot, can play some point forward, has great strength and will be able to guard multiple positions.
Maynor would actually be a cool pick. He is a cp3 like player where he will make things happen, and if not he will make them happen himself.
I wouldn't mind taking Tyler Hansbrough.
He hustles all game long and can hit the 13ft jumper.
He reminds me alot of Brandon Bass.
What do you guys think???
HAHAH are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaDante
Also I don't want Chase Budinger anywhere near this team. I think the need for a good point guard or combo guard is more of a necessity than a backup forward or center at this point.
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Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
What if we resign Pargo?
Given the chance if the team can land someone like Curry or Flynn I wouldn't even worry about signing Pargo.
But looking at Bower's history of drafting players I'm pretty sure this team will end up with some big immobile bust or a player who can't shoot at all.
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Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
Sad and True :hot:
Look at our drafts in the last 5 years.
2008: Sold
Players the team could have possibly had:Mario Chalmers, DeAndre Jordan, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Chris Douglas-Roberts
2007: Julian Wright - Has lived up to his potential and is so erratic with his play leading him to be turn over prone.
Adam Huluska: Bust
Players the team could have possibly had: Al Thornton, Rodney Stuckey, Nick Young, Sean Williams, Marco Belinelli, Wilson Chandler, Rudy Fernández, Aaron Brooks, Carl Landry, Glen Davis, Marc Gasol
2006: Hilton Armstrong: Bust
Cedric Simmons: Colossal Bust
Marcus Vinicius: Bust
Players the team could have possibly had: Ronnie Brewer, Rajon Rondo, Josh Boone, Jordan Farmar, Daniel Gibson, Paul Millsap, Leon Powe
2005: Chris Paul: Got one right
Brandon Bass: Not even on the team anymore
Players the team could have possibly had (from the bass pick downward): C. J. Miles, Monta Ellis, Louis Williams, Andray Blatche, Amir Johnson, Marcin Gortat
2004: J. R. Smith: Not even on the team anymore
Tim Pickit: Bust
Players the team could have possibly had: Jameer Nelson, Delonte West, Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih, Chris Duhon, Trevor Ariza
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Originally Posted by geaux hornets
all the more reason we should have taken Nick Young. a true SG with a nice shot and can create off the dribble. instead we settled for guy who'm Byron Scott said had a skill set like Magic Johnson, but won't let him get on the court
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Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
dude what about the Kirk Haston pick? that guy was a "Beast"...............in college lol
If JuJu isn't a bust, then Hilton Armstrong isn't a bust. Both were first rounders and are only spot players right now. Both are still works in progress, imo.
IMHO Armstrong has made a bigger impact on this team than JuJu has
hahahaha. I see I'm not the only person who remembers Scott's idiotic point forward quotes this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by truck man
All that did was get people on here up in a tizzy, and set stupid, unrealistic expectations. The guy should have spent the offseason trying to develop into a good role player, not try to be a "point forward". :mad:
Armstrong will never be a 5 in this league as he apparently either cannot or will not get stronger. They should try him as a backup 4.
Why? We need at least a little offense as a backup 4, and he brings none of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN
It was obvious to a lot of people last summer that Armstrong would never be a player in this league. I have no idea why it wasn't obvious to Scott and the Hornets.
or maybe you looked to far into the comments. regardless of what he said it had to do with julian working on his handles to be another player who can attack off the dribble. something this team lacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by gohornets999
Armstrong shouldn't even be in the NBA at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN
It set unrealistic expectations on him, he should have been working on his shot and overall game rather than try to be a "point forward". It was another summertime flap for Scott, just like his "disappointment" he had in Bass two summers earlier. Byron Scott and summer time expectations are a match made in hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by geaux hornets
Eric Maynor>Nick CalathesQuote:
Originally Posted by fullcourtpress
Are we getting a poing guard? I'm not so sure. This team has needs all over the team but there's no clear indication yet which position the front office would want to fill using the draft. At this point in the draft, we'll probably draft with regards to the team's needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Overt
We need:
Backup PG
Slashing Shooting Guard
Decent Backup Big
Different mock drafts have us taking players from every of these positions (Calathes, Thornton, Mullins etc) but I'm hoping we try to fill that 2 guard spot.
Chase Budinger is actually pretty athletic. He played volleyball aside from basketball, so he can move around at the drop of a dime.
by UNO Grascias
Truedat, he won the HS All-Star dunk contest too. I've been down on him due to naysayers, but watching a tape of him yesterday I noticed that he has the release similar to the greatest bombers that ever played. Due to the height of the release, He can shoot right in your face- and from very, very deep. He's young enough to run the break, he loves the alley-oop, but most importantly- he's a senior and Byron Scott is our coach.
Nevertheless, a shot creator is our primary need.
Tyreke Evans will not be there, he's a safer pick than Rubio. But no chance.
The PG from St. mary's, IS the safest pick, if on the board at 21. He's DJ Augustin at worst. - yet I dream of more than nailing down a good back-up PG.
Jrue Holliday fits the bill 2 needs-back-ip PG and SG), but they say he's rising fast.
Jeff Teague might be the best shot creator in the draft. He's crafty and fast enough to draw fould at any level. And he also can satisfy multiple needs- really, at 6'2" this dude could start at SG. I doubt he'll be around too.
teague's ups
PF Gani Lawal would be a terrible pick. No range and undersized.
PF Dejuan Blair is a safe pick, w/ a low ceiling; and again I dream of more than a back-up.
Terrance Williams and BJ Mullens are similar, they're either boom or bust.
I hope we bring them in, meet them, and see how they work and respond to our coaches. From what I gathered, Williams could get on the court right now - defensively; but you would need a lot of scorers surrounding him due to his lack of skills.
mullens' lame 8.8ppg and 4.7 rebs. seems pathetic when one watches his highlights.
He should SO SO dominate.
But then again, since he was a
TOP 5 NBA PICK last year (if they still drafted out of HS)
perhaps way to much was expected of the guy.
We used to be known for drafting bigs. I like the pick because i'd be one of those ignorant GM's that loose their job over drafting potential and talent, as opposed to skill and production.
But then again:
kobe>vladi divac/ jrsmith>mo pete
freshman numbers for some NBA centers
2.8 and 1.8 Hilton Armstrong /9.5 and 6.3 channing frye/
7.9 and 9.0 emeka okafor 30 min/ 2.9 and 4.o jamal majlorie
if we draft a pg i really hope its patrick mills, the guy is an outstanding pick. Thats if we pick at all.
I agree...Quote:
Originally Posted by fullcourtpress
i'd be happy with mills.
being the most Point-Guard oriented team i've ever witnessed (probably statistically proven given the % of the time he has the ball + the fact that he leads the league in assists yet we're at the bottom in assists as a team)
Pat Mills is the only player at #21 that could single handedley fix our 2nd unit.
NBADRAFT.net has a new mock out today. It has us taking Dejuan Blair.
There's only two players behind us now, that we would great value for per pick; that is many think they could be lotto picks,
But I'll tell you, the more I look at what we know. Terrance Williams is as gifted athlete in the draft. He has a lot of defencies, (and questions about character- but I don't know him -so screw it)
and with Paul he doesn't have to dribble nor pass much. People talk about his effort, but they only lost a few games while he posted 12.5 ppg, 8.6 rebounds, 5 assists, 2.3 steals per game.
No telling what his averages would have been if they weren't dominating the best conference in basketball. I mean, they play Blair's Pittsburgh this year 20 pts. 7 rebs. and 7 assists. Thabeet's UCONN 26 pts. 5 rebs, Patterson's Kentucky 19 pts. 8 rebs., Arizona 14 ptts. 7 rebs., 6 assists, w. virginia 20 pts. 6 rebs., and 7 assists. He's a lock-down defensive stopper, and might be the best candidate to be able to get out infront of Paul on the break, and really finish!
Holliday could cure many of our needs;a back-up PG and our SG- people overlook that he didn't do that much more than Mullens.
Teague,Mills, Mullens and others we covet are taken.
Mills is the man, he can push the tempo and get our second unit running, he can finish around the rim and believe me the kid is hungry to make something of himself coz he n Bogut will wanna lead to Ozzies to a medal in London 2012.
this teams greatest need is another playmaker, i.e. a guy who can create his own shot and shots for others. It really doesn't matter if its a 1,2 or 3 player. Big men a harder to find, but via free agency at least we know we can get value. We missed the last time we drafted big men and the tweener (JuJu) the jury is still out on.
exerpt from atricle on draft express
If all he could do is catch and finish with the best of them; Paul could make him decent if he could pick-n-rollQuote:
B.J. Mullens can catch and finish as well as anyone, but he has an extremely hard time creating his own shot.
The third one-and-done center from Ohio State in as many years, B.J. Mullens did not have the type of year some expected him to have. Operating under the shadow of last year’s outrageously talented freshman class, Mullens made some strides as the season went on. Before we talk about what held him back, lets to a look at what he already does well. His 1.41 PPP as a finisher was amongst the best in our entire database, which backs up the perception that Mullens is an unusually gifted athlete with very solid hands. Unfortunately, he only got 3.6 opportunities to finish each game, which was far below the average for big men we looked at. Possessing nice speed for a player his size, Mullens is also capable of getting up and finishing in transition according to his situational stats, but he didn’t get all that many opportunities to do so, going 12/14 on the year.
I would like either a PG or a solid C/PF. Just pick the best available from that category, unless someone crazy fell into our laps of course, but I don't see that happening in this weak weak draft.
Assuming we don't get Pargo back: back-up to Paul would keep our second team on their feet and would make everyone on the floor better. I don't care how good a player is, without a PG feeding them the ball, they are nothing. They could also come in and combo with Paul and make a deadly combo.
A big man is an obvious pick. We don't need another D-west. We need a guy who can provide post defense, offensive rebounding, and knows how to put the ball in the basket. I'd rather get a defensive-minded guy than offensive.
I know there is not going to be a starter left at 21 (doubt there are many starters in the entire draft), so I like many want a guy who brings an attitude and energy to the second unit and the team in general.
Dejuan Blair and Tyler Hansbrough are the two I have my eye on the most. Neither are going to develop into stellar players, but they provide a confident, energetic player on a team.
I doubt either will be there, but I can hope.
I don't really know any of the PG's, but I just want an established player, not a product.
The only deficiencies in Terrence Williams's game is that he's selfless and because of his selflessness, he's not seen as a sure-fire SG. And by selfless, I mean his game.
He would fit perfectly on this team. He can defend, he's got good handles, and he's a good finisher. He was on the summer team at LeBron's camp last year that beat a team with LeBron and Chris Paul on it. All he's done the last two years is be the best player on his team while doing the things role players do-- defending, passing, finishing.
He's the guy we should be wanting. Perimeter slashers would be contained with he and CP defending the perimeter.
1. Jrue Holiday
2. Stephen Curry
3. Brandon Jennings
4. Jonny Flynn
5. Jeff Teague
6. Eric Maynor
7. Patrick Mills
8. Darren Collison
9. Ty Lawson
10. *Nick Calathes (signed with Greek team; Panathinaikos)
Honorable Mentions: Rodrigue Beaubois, Toney Douglas, Greivis Vasquez
I would love Teague or Thornton. Combo guards that we can use in a "Microwave" Johnson role to CP3's Isiah. Teague played at Wake Forest and Paul was a fan of his this year and they could grow together. Thornton played locally and looked nasty in the tourney this year. They can both get their own shot and can play with or without Paul. I'm not looking for a starter at 21, just an eventual 10-13 ppg game off the bench.
If Terrance Williams is there, pick em.
Here's my top 10:
1. James Harden
2. Tyreke Evans
3. DeMar DeRozan
4. Gerald Henderson
5. Terrence Williams
6. Wayne Ellington
7. Chase Budinger
8. Marcus Thornton
9. Jermaine Taylor
10. Danny Green
Honorable Mentions: Jodie Meeks, Paul Harris, Lee Cummard
Sorry to be a downer, but we are NOT picking 21st. Just want to give the board a heads up to soften the blow when the 25th rolls around. We wont be making a pick this year, at least not for our own team. Wont say where I got the intel from but we will be moving the pick.
I know most of you wont believe it and will stay in denial and that is fine, I understand. Not trying to be a downer, I promise, just want to give a heads up. On a more optomistic not however, there is a chance we could trade into the 2nd round if a guy like Thornton slips and we can get him on a non guaranteed contract.
If this team continues to deal away picks, we will never get out of our cap hell and bring youth to the team. Until we get a competent GM, we are no going anywhere IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by CP3 & 11 others
Couldnt agree more Hornetsfan but there is a thought process within the organization that we dont have the type of team to develop young players that dont have "elite" futures. Whomever we pick at 21 is unlikely to play a big role this year or next. And long term, it is unlikely based on pure statistics that a player drafted in the 20's will be a top 3 or 4 player for a contender. So if you are looking at a most likely scenario that you will get a guy who doesnt contribute for 2 years and even when he does reach max potential, he is only a 7th or 8th man- why not just sell the pick and save the 7 million over 3 years and use that combined 10 million towards a vet who will play now?
Their logic holds up if you consider that for every Tony Parker drafted in the 20's, there are five guys picked in the 20's that are never more than average to below average role players. But I personally believe you cant look at it that way. You have to believe in your scouting and player development enough to believe you will find and mold the diamonds. If the Spurs just sold their picks and/or traded away their second rounders while they we winners in the late 90's picking at the end of the draft, they would have no Parker or Manu. They would have won 1, maybe 2 titles, not 4.
I understand the "reasononing." However, the logic failed us last year and is not a roadmap for long term success IMO. David West was #18, Ricky Davis #21, etc. I know that there are more failures than hits late in the first round, but how are we going to build youth for the future at lower salaries if we keep selling the picks to spend the cash on aging veterans at higher guaranteed salaries? Are we saying we are going to forget about building for the future until we are bad enough to pick in the top 10?Quote:
Originally Posted by CP3 & 11 others
If only Kevin Pritchard or Chris Mullen was the Hornets GM