We have hill, wes and miller.All is said, if you don't want to take a chance on a player of melo's caliber at cheap, then you are a mediocrity lover.
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We have hill, wes and miller.All is said, if you don't want to take a chance on a player of melo's caliber at cheap, then you are a mediocrity lover.
Melo is cooked.
Hopefully he goes to GSW.
Dantoni and Melo have history. Even Jalen Rose confirmed that Dantoni is the type of guy to hold grudges. Its in his interest to try to sabotage him. Everyone is saying Melo is being used as a scapegoat except the ones who choose to hate him. It's hard to compare Melo stats with Wes, Miller and Hill; and say one is trash and the others are good to go without seeming like a straight up hater.
Whether or not Melo would actually be signed, there has to be a discussion about it within the front office.
Would he fit, would AD want him, as a player on a good team would he accept being a role player instead of the man? Is he better than what the team has now?
Could he create his own shot as the 24 is winding down, the Pels could use that.
I am not sure any of us can answer those questions, but I hope the front office is discussing them!
I would say I am 50/50 on Melo joining this team, I compare this to the Boogie trade, the talent of Melo in theory is intriguing, the attitude is not, but would it work ?????????
Even Hill is better than Melo.
Just no.
Well looks like we're in the mix
https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...armelo-Anthony
Quote:
“I heard three teams I think it can be for Melo, and this could change—I mean, he’s still with Houston—New Orleans, Portland and the L.A. Lakers. Those are the three teams I heard,” said Kevin O'Connor
reports are saying that melo reps are looking for teams that are interested in him and his reps has not made publicly what teams he would like to go to or put out teams that want him....
the link you posted is talking about teams the reporter thinks may be interested in melo....come on now,,we are being mention because of our SF position but its not by our front office....
now maybe melo reps told someone he would be open to playing with us thinking he can start at our SF position...
now you dont see anywhere that the pelicans front office is thinking or want to sign melo.....all you see is a reporter wishful thinking....maybe i read the article wrong but until i see something from us then ill believe we are in the mix...
again,,heard from who?....the only reports about melo is that his reps are looking for a landing spot for him......so maybe the reporter is putting out that melo is open to playing for those teams....the lakers dont need him so where is that coming from?....i dont think we want him so where is that coming from?....
i think its his people throwing out teams so until i see that we are interested in melo then ill believe it.....your comment said, well look like we are in the mix base on that article and i know how much you want us to sign melo.....all im saying is that ill believe it when i see something from the pelicans..i think that is fair...
I mean are you even reading what you're proposing to defend Melo? That an NBA coach who had one of the best records last year purposely tried to tank a player WHO IS BEST FRIENDS with another guy on your team that was a big part of that winning and you're paying 200m dollars simply to hold some imaginary grudge over the player...
No dude, the Knicks gave up on Melo because he was bad, the Thunder actually took back a terrible contract to get rid of him, and now the Rockets are dumping him a month into the season because he was a terrible fit for their team.
This isn't some D'antoni conspiracy unless you are also suggesting that D'antoni can control the actions of multiple NBA teams. It's insane that you're actually straight faced suggesting this.
Just accept the far more obvious and easy answer to all of this: Melo isn't good anymore; instead of trying to concoct this elaborate scenario where Melo is the good guy and everyone is just out to get him.
Yeah the Knicks gave up on Melo so much they waited to get a good deal before trading him. I can pull receipts and show many people on this board willing to give up Moore, Hill and a 1st to bring in Melo last summer. So kill that talk that he was seen as bad before OKC.
I'm not the only one to suggest Dantoni holding a grudge. Jalen Rose, a well respected analyst, suggested it as well. A Rockets representative also came out and said Melo is being used as a scapegoat. Not sure if you're actually keeping up with the news or not.
None of that addresses the fact that you're suggesting an NBA coach is purposely trying to tank a player who's best friend just signed one of the largest contracts in NBA history with his team.
If Melo is being made out to be a scapegoat why hasn't CP3 stepped up and called the team out for it? Why are Harden and CP3 OK with this happening if D'antoni is actually the one at fault and not Melo?
None of your logic makes sense. Why did OKC get rid of Melo then? Why did they take back bad assets just to move him? How is D'antoni the one at fault when multiple teams have all now written Melo off?
Dude, Melo literally got Dantoni fired from his last job. That's not going to sit well with anyone. The animosity still has to be there. You dont know what was said in their conversation, you dont know how Melo and Dantoni interactions have been around each other this year.
If someone got you fired from your job. And they came to your new company, as an employee in a department that you are managing. Could you honestly say all is forgiving because they are friends with your star employee? I know you have seen in your professional career, an employee go to HR about a manager and things are downhill from there. I've seen it multiple times.
OKC situation is irrelevant in this occurrence. Melo should've never signed with Houston. You never trust your enemy.
And that bestfriend talk is overblown. Yeah they cool but it ain't like they hanging out, going on trips, spending holidays every year. We need a best friend tracker on CP, he's best friends with the entire league apparently.
Reread the tweet. There's absolutely nothing vague about it.
https://twitter.com/WillGuillory/sta...304413186?s=19
He literally says: "I can report the Pelicans won't have any interest in Carmelo Anthony if/when he becomes available."
He simply doesn't want to out his sources but he is anything other than vague. You can't get a much more definitive statement than what he said.
First, OKC is anything but irrelevant, the point stands that MULTIPLE teams have written Melo off, it only took the Rockets 11 days to do it. You cannot try and say D'antoni is the issue not Melo when it is completely different teams with no involvement from D'antoni and they have all come to the same conclusion. Melo isn't good.
We've seen with our very own Saints that coaches No. 1 priority is to win and if a player can help it almost always is irrelevant what the past is. Heck we tried to sign Jimmy Graham this summer. Why would D'antoni bring in a guy who he doesn't actually think will work with his system and risk the type of impact that will have on the attitude and locker room of all the other players simply to try and get some personal vendetta settled? It's nonsense. No coach would risk not with the way social media is nowadays.
Also how is D'antoni even going about messing up Melo? Is D'antoni tricking him into not playing defense and being a bad shooter? Why exactly is D'antoni doing and how is it he is such a mastermind that no one on or around the team (including people in Melo's own camp) noticed that D'antoni was some even genius all summer and only until Melo is about to be cut is it suddenly "D'antoni was out to get him the entire time?"
Where was this argument all summer? Why did people believe it was going to work and now suddenly when it doesn't it's someone other than Melo who is at fault?
Second, Squash that nose about Melo and CP3 not being very good friends. As has been pointed out their godparents to each others children and absolutely take vacations together. You telling me you're not going to say anything if your best friend was getting blamed falsely for something? Are you calling CP3 a coward?
See here's the difference in our two stances. Your viewpoint requires multiple people and teams to be out to get Melo. It requires that one of his best friends not speak up in his defense. It requires coaches that are willing to jeopardize locker rooms and seeding / playoffs simply for revenge. It require multiple playoff teams to all be wrong on their assessment of Melo not being good anymore.
My viewpoint requires Melo simply being exactly the way stats and the eye test look: not good.
This is getting ridiculous. HoustonPelicans won't accept that Melo is getting cut because he sucks until every person that works with the Rockets sits in a press conference and announces, verbatim, that Melo is being cut because he is not a good player.
Then, so as not to be mistaken for D'antoni just having a grudge, he needs OKC and the Hawks to contribute towards a signed affidavit confirming that they also got rid of him due to low quality play, and Melo himself to make a confession confirming that he is a bad player now.
I believe what I believe. You can have your own beliefs. I believe Dantoni held a grudge and a player who has played for him, confirmed that of his personality. You keep adding other teams to an isolated situation. Those other teams were paying Melo $24M, OKC had a $300M luxury tax looming. That's a totally different situation to paying a guy a vet minimum. Melo would still be a Thunder at that price.
They are not Godparents of each other children, that's a misinformed lie. And yes CP been a coward, ask his teammates.
If Melo isn't good than there are about a hundred players who are not either. Simple. Ryan Anderson is garbage if thats the case, his defense is abysmal. Eric Gordon should be relegated to the G league immediately.
ryno is garbage....gordon can play....it should tell you something that gordon is starting over melo......it should tell you something that those 2 are on teams and the teams are not trying to get rid of them.....the same team that has gordon dont want melo anymore..
I don't know how this is so complicated for you. I'll lay the questions out very clearly to you: HOW did D'antoni sabotage Melo and be able to trick everyone including people in Melo's inner circle into believing he was serious this summer?
Why did everyone buy into it this summer but a month into the season suddenly D'antoni was some evil genius and always wanted to ruin Melo?
How did D'antoni cause Melo to be bad on multiple other teams he had no control over?
Why are players on the Rockets, including some who are at the very least close friends with Melo, not speaking out about Melo being a scapegoat and trying to make it work? Why has everyone on the team given up on Melo if they thought he could help them and D'antoni is the one at fault?
And finally:
What advantage does it make for D'antoni to cut Melo now? If he really had a grudge he'd cut him after he couldn't join another team later in the year.
Do you understand that given his below league average PER, his negative VORP, his negative BPM, his negative net rating, and his below league average TS%, he is actually not better than the majority of NBA players anymore and that even if he is better than a lot of other players, that's not because he's any good, it's because they just suck even worse?
Melo wasnt bad on multiple other teams is what you keep failing to realize. He wasnt worth $24M simple. Anybody in the league would've taken his production at the vet minimum. He even accepted a bench role.
Dantoni never recruited Melo. CP and the media did. The advantage that Dantoni has in cutting Melo is that he never wanted him there in the first place and now Melo looks bad to the rest of the league. It's weird that their defensive coordinator out of the blue retired before training camp and is now coming back.
Its literally 11 games in, CP cares about the playoffs more than he will ever carry about anybody outside of his family. He's not going to call out Dantoni in defense of Melo, resulting in more conflict than now. Stop acting like CP is some standup guy all of a sudden, he been weak. And those other guys on the Rockets barely in the league. They not gon speak up publicly.
I guess that answers the question: no, you don't understand the difference between a bad streak and a multi-year downward trend.
Gordon is currently averaging 15/3/2 on 32% from the field and 23% from 3. Is that bad? Of course it is. That sucks. That is extremely bad.
Melo is currently averaging 13/5/0.5 on 40% from the field and 32% from three. Is that bad? Yeah, it is, it also sucks. It sucks less, that is, he's not as bad as Gordon right now but you're the one who was insisting earlier it had only been 10 games and so we couldn't judge Melo off it.
So let's compare their last full seasons.
Eric Gordon averaged 18/2/2, on 43/36/80 splits. His net rating was +0. He had a 0.5 VORP, a 15.2 PER, and 4.7 win shares. He did this on a 24% usage rating, 58% true Shooting.
Melo averaged 16/5/1 on 40/35/76 splits. His net rating was -5. He had a -1.1 VORP, a 12.7 PER, and 3.7 win shares. He also did this on a 24% usage rating, 50.3% true shooting.
So Melo was worse. Slightly more points and rebounds, but less accurate from the field all over, less value, less efficient, contributed less to wins, worse net rating.
The reason Gordon gets some benefit of the doubt is that his current play is unusual for him. The Rockets give him some lee-way because they saw him playing just a few months ago, and he looked nothing like this. They are willing to give him time because they have good reason to suspect this is a slump.
The reason Melo does not get this benefit of the doubt is that his current play is what is expected of him given his rate of decline over the last 5 years. We know he's got worse year on year, why would we be surprised if he got a little worse this season too? We saw him playing badly on OKC earlier this year, why would we assume he would be any different now? They aren't willing to give Melo time because Melo was already playing on borrowed time, and he's wasting it.
That's the difference.
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If you’re not going to listen to the facts that I’m telling you then the whole discussion is pointless.They just did a documentary on a one handed basketball player... The reason I know 1st Cp3 is my favorite player so I would know a lil bit more since I follow him on social media etc... 2nd it was reported on first take that they are indeed the Godparents of eachothers kids And one if not the biggest reason why he went there to Houston .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbc...lose-with/amp/
I’m going to try and find the video for you also to prove you wrong again...
It'd be nice if yall stop trying to combine arguments to make your point seem right. I've already agreed that Melo has declined. But he's declined from an allstar status. He is still a good player. Stop acting like he wouldnt be a top 7 player on this team. You can give a thousand explanations and he is still better than half of our team, period.
Melo finessing the Hawks and Rockets outta $30 million this season pic.twitter.com/fZzabj931F
— Josiah Johnson (@KingJosiah54) November 11, 2018
How many players is he better than on OKC, atl, and Hou yet he couldn't work at any of those places...
See no matter how good or bad Melo is in a vacuum, he's terrible in the modern NBA. Iso ball and all midrange is dead, volume shooting from a bench player is not needed.
And unlike players like Carter who were willing to change their game Melo has had attitude problems everywhere he's went and had a refusal to change.