To be clear Jrue does not have a near max deal. He left roughly 45m on the table. A max 4 year contract would have actually been almost the same amount he signed for over 5 years, 130m vs 131m he signed for.
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To be clear Jrue does not have a near max deal. He left roughly 45m on the table. A max 4 year contract would have actually been almost the same amount he signed for over 5 years, 130m vs 131m he signed for.
What name calling? You need to get out and get some sun. Beautiful day today.
I could care less what consensus on this board was. Frankly there was no consensus. If somebody found a random tweet that Jrue was about to be offered the max, then that was turned into irrefutable fact around here. The number around this crazy place bounced around on a whim. But near July 1st, consensus was near or above 30 per because well, Dell is a desperate blow hard and we are a small market that has to overpay. Then AFTER the contract was announced, people like you come in and say it shoulda been around 20 per.
If he had signed for 20, I guarantee a few emos would have come in and said it shoulda been 15.
And of course you think the Pelicans aren't making the playoffs. Of course.
Get some sun.
Your first sentence proves my point. There is a big difference between those 2 teams and one would think that the superstar one game away from the finals would never leave that team, but he did. None of us can prevent a player from leaving, we can put the best team on the court to try and win but the number of teams capable of winning it all are few. We are ziging while others in the league are zagging, let's enjoy the attempt. If you don't think we'll make the playoffs you're not alone in that thinking, but some of us are a little more optimistic.
It amazes me how after so many years you have to explain the same things to the same people. If you didn't like the direction of the team 5 years ago not sure why you feel positive about the team right now. We are still making the same mistake facing odds that don't favor us. Why should anybody who feels this way just say it's going to workout just so other people can feel good about it?
The team 5 years ago isn't the team in 2017. This team didn't have Demarcus Cousins + Anthony Davis 5 years ago. In short...wtf does your feeling of the team 5 years ago have to do with the reality of the team in 2017? Are you not able to readjust and be fluid? Or must you stubbornly stick with the emo whining until the very end?
In which you are forced to say ridiculous things like Jrue Holiday is signed to a "terrible" contract.
can we just wait until we go 2-22 during this season until we talk about trading AD or boogie?...
This isn't the same team as 5 years ago but the same issues still remain. So while Holiday deal may not be terrible it's a negative. We need to make the playoffs in a very competitive West. Smart money believes we aren't a playoff team despite it potentially being essential to our future. Yet people are acting as if those of us who are pessimistic are just being doom and gloom for no reason.
Pure small market syndrome. If this EXACT same roster was in Chicago, or NY, or LA, the only thing being discussed right now would be which playoff seed would this team get. EXACT same roster.
But because its New Orleans, and national media will never give the team the credit or attention to detail it deserves, it trickles down to the fans. So we have this foolishness.
This message board is quit irritating to visit at times.
If this same exact roster was in the East our chances of making a strong playoff push would be greatly increased regardless of market size. This roster before losing Hill was likely the 9th best team in the West. We'll see if the team can out perform, but let's not act as if we are the odds on favorite to get a home playoff series and it's just a few of us here raining on the parade. Not sure if any bookmakers or analyst have the Pelicans in the post season.
I saw Boogie at Costco today.
Didn't go up to him and fanboy out. I have a little more self-respect than that.
Thanks for those highlights HP
I love my pelicans but if we trade boogie for shumpert and that pick Im no longer a fan and I'm done with the NBA point blank period.
If I saw Cousins in the store better believe I'm going up to him. Not to have some long chat but just let him know he's appreciated here. Also, he seems like one of the coolest dudes to just kick it with.
Still, I can respect you for not wanting to bother the dude while he's trying to buy some water and toilet paper.
How can we get shumpert without moving cousins? The cavs must have tried to sell us a package of Thompson, Shumpert and the Brooklyn pick.
I think shumpert would improve the pelicans a lot.
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Not a good deal... I'd rather stretch Asik and keep our pick.
Also, no way Detroit can take Thompson+Asik salary.
It works in the trade machine.
Shumpert can start for us and if he has a good season, he likely will opt out and secure a longer deal after the season. It will be a good way to shed Asik deal vs having dead money sit on the books for 7 years.
Edit: We could then sign Cunningham and Diaw and we're back in business.
Rondo/Clark/Jackson
Jrue/Crawford/Moore
Shumpert/Miller
AD/Diallo/Cunningham
Cousins/Diaw/Ajinca
That's a deep roster and when Hill come back it will be even more so.
Figured I would give this topic some new life.
DC to Cavs should we start negotiating if the ship starts sinking after the 40 game mark?
We'll ******** on that bridge if it comes to that.
This team will not rebuild in New Orleans...maybe Seattle, if it came to that. New Orleans can't wait another 5 years just to finish 8th. AD's injury only makes this a real possibility. When and where does our draft pick come back? Give me some hope for the future.
It's not easy getting two Super Star players, we have two super star players in AD and Boogie. I see no reason to trade them. You won't be getting a Super Star in return from the Cavs, so I wouldn't bother with them.
Gordon and Anderson left and we got nothing in return. Hopefully Demps learned his lesson.
No, people are just idiots with their expectations of superstars.
Ever see what happened to Kobe Bryant when he got stuck on teams with Kwame Brown and Smush Parker?
Ever notice what happened to Kevin Garnett after management decided to screw the pooch and let Cassel and Sprewell go?
How was Paul Pierce doing before Garnett and Allen arrived in town to help?
And for a Pels fan, this season, to be citing "11-11" when they have been sitting right there watching how that 11-11 has come about is ridiculous.
It's of course always possible to play all kinds of semantic games, in fact that's rather the norm, and define "superstar" until the point that the only players who qualify are LeBron and...well, LeBron. So we'll just say, there are two future HOF big men on this team. Two Top 100 All Time players, both in their prime. If you can keep them both, and don't, you would be a blithering idiot. This happens almost never to a terrible tiny market franchise.
Remember when being .500 was an considered a great achievement around here?
Not to mention the rules change when both of your best players are bigs. NBA has shown time and time again that when you have a top 10 player who is a guard, you're more able to be an elite team. Like us when we had Chris Paul.