Interesting article on potential head coaching hires.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

LOL. You're an idiot.

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It is okay to disagree but let us leave the name calling off the forum. Anyway perhaps we are giving Demps to much credit now since he has training wheels. See Danny Ferry.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Messina is my choice.

His strengths fit our strengths and he has had the opportunity to cut his teeth with the best organization and coach in the game.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

How long do you think it takes to turn a franchise that has never won anything (and isn't in a big media market) into a consistent winner? What were you expecting?

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I would just like to point out that we were very close to a Jahlil Okafor future had Philly not overvalued his market.

And if you take away the Cousins trade, the guy's track record is flat out not good. He basically whiffed on his entire first rebuild, which also only came because he was dragged back from the cliff by David Stern when he tried to trade CP3 for over the hill expensive role players and Dragic.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I would just like to point out that we were very close to a Jahlil Okafor future had Philly not overvalued his market.

And if you take away the Cousins trade, the guy's track record is flat out not good. He basically whiffed on his entire first rebuild, which also only came because he was dragged back from the cliff by David Stern when he tried to trade CP3 for over the hill expensive role players and Dragic.

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Very good points.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I would just like to point out that we were very close to a Jahlil Okafor future had Philly not overvalued his market.

And if you take away the Cousins trade, the guy's track record is flat out not good. He basically whiffed on his entire first rebuild, which also only came because he was dragged back from the cliff by David Stern when he tried to trade CP3 for over the hill expensive role players and Dragic.

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So...

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How long do you think it takes to turn a franchise that has never won anything (and isn't in a big media market) into a consistent winner? What were you expecting?

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Originally Posted by Champ

It is okay to disagree but let us leave the name calling off the forum. Anyway perhaps we are giving Demps to much credit now since he has training wheels. See Danny Ferry.

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I love it. Any bad moves we can blame on dell, and any good moves we can praise Ferry. Let the irrationality roam free.

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Originally Posted by Champ

It is okay to disagree but let us leave the name calling off the forum. Anyway perhaps we are giving Demps to much credit now since he has training wheels. See Danny Ferry.

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Which writer's alt account are you again? I suspected MM for awhile but I think he's too much of a narcissist to actually use another account to trash himself. You have shilled for Fisher since day one so that would lead me to believe you're someone from TBW but I get the feeling they don't all like Fisher and his hot takes that much either, especially not enough to constantly be riding him on some forum. I would hope Fisher would be too busy with his new child to make a troll account so I don't think it's him.

So that leaves me with: either you're an idiot or a troll. Which is it?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Which writer's alt account are you again? I suspected MM for awhile but I think he's too much of a narcissist to actually use another account to trash himself. You have shilled for Fisher since day one so that would lead me to believe you're someone from TBW but I get the feeling they don't all like Fisher and his hot takes that much either, especially not enough to constantly be riding him on some forum. I would hope Fisher would be too busy with his new child to make a troll account so I don't think it's him.

So that leaves me with: either you're an idiot or a troll. Which is it?

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It seems like he is a guy asking for civility. Whats the harm in that?

But to NVM's point, how long would it take to turn a losing team into a consistently winning team? Quite a few. Suns of Nash and Amare came out of the ashes of a crappy decade post Sir Charles. Celtics were stuck with Paul Pierce and sometimes Antoine Walker, sometimes they could make the playoffs (in the Eastern Conference) sometimes they couldn't. They made a few trades, added a new coach, and BAM! Toronto Raptors are doing pretty well after a forever of being horrible. Mavs have Dirk, surround him with talent, hire Carlisle, you know the deal. The Warriors seem to be doing okay after 17 out of 18 years of missing the playoffs.

We can do better than we have been doing over the last 7 years.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

It seems like he is a guy asking for civility. Whats the harm in that?

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You're right. Excuse me.

Champ, please answer, are you an idiot or a troll?

Now I added please and everything. That is far more respect than should be given to someone who is obviously acting in a specific way to get a rise out of the forum but for civility's sake, I must oblige you.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

You're right. Excuse me.

Champ, please answer, are you an idiot or a troll?

Now I added please and everything. That is far more respect than should be given to someone who is obviously acting in a specific way to get a rise out of the forum but for civility's sake, I must oblige you.

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Thanks for obliging me, I like to see civility and decent behavior take their place every now and again.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Thanks for obliging me, I like to see civility and decent behavior take their place every now and again.

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This the best back and forth we've ever had on this forum. Your response legitimately made me chuckle.

I also don't know why it's taken years for me to recognize that you have The Crack Fox as your profile picture. There is a new found respect budding in me for you.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

You're right. Excuse me.

Champ, please answer, are you an idiot or a troll?

Now I added please and everything. That is far more respect than should be given to someone who is obviously acting in a specific way to get a rise out of the forum but for civility's sake, I must oblige you.

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Listen to yourself.

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Originally Posted by Champ

Listen to yourself.

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You don't deny being a troll. Good. Now I know not to take you seriously when you make an outlandish comment. Thank you for answering.

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Originally Posted by Champ

Listen to yourself.

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When you post the things you do, you can't expext people to just let it slide and not call you a troll, from time to time. Honestly, I thought you were always trying to be the board troll. Either that or you're a teenager. Those are the only explanations I could come up with to explain your past behavior and posts.

Is Mythrol blunt and rude sometimes? Yeah, I'd say so. But he rarely posts anything outlandishly ridiculous or completely pointless.

I rarely interject myself into little skirmishes like these, but you can't act like a troll and then call for civility.

Anyways, back to the OP. I agree with Bronco. Other than the bigger name guys in college and the league, I'm not all that educated on our coaching options. But just from what I've read and heard over the last few months, Messina sounds like the best fit for AD/DC. He's going to get a head coaching gig by someone this off-season and I hope it's us.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

When you post the things you do, you can't expext people to just let it slide and not call you a troll, from time to time. Honestly, I thought you were always trying to be the board troll. Either that or you're a teenager. Those are the only explanations I could come up with to explain your past behavior and posts.

Is Mythrol blunt and rude sometimes? Yeah, I'd say so. But he rarely posts anything outlandishly ridiculous or completely pointless.

I rarely interject myself into little skirmishes like these, but you can't act like a troll and then call for civility.

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Oh okay so you disagree with my views that makes me a troll . How about you stick to the thread topic . You Demps fans are digging yourselves a deeper hole.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

You don't deny being a troll. Good. Now I know not to take you seriously when you make an outlandish comment. Thank you for answering.

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You are digging yourself a deeper hole Mythrol. Disagree without the name calling please.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

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How long do you think it takes to turn a franchise that has never won anything (and isn't in a big media market) into a consistent winner? What were you expecting?

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I'll answer this part. I expect a GM with a coherent plan that maximizes the chances of success while minimizing risk by remaining as flexible as possible. Demps has made IMO a lot of unnecessary risk and then refused to move on once those moves failed to work.

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Originally Posted by Champ

Oh okay so you disagree with my views that makes me a troll . How about you stick to the thread topic . You Demps fans are digging yourselves a deeper hole.

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It's not about disagreeing with your "views". It's just that you try to force them down everyone's throat in an annoying kind of way. I want to see change in the organization too, but I'm not trying to attack or troll posters that may think otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

This the best back and forth we've ever had on this forum. Your response legitimately made me chuckle.

I also don't know why it's taken years for me to recognize that you have The Crack Fox as your profile picture. There is a new found respect budding in me for you.

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We have much more in common than that. Did you know that we both breath air, and women can't keep their hands off me?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

We have much more in common than that. Did you know that we both breath air, and women can't keep their hands off me?

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Wait you breath air too?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I'll answer this part. I expect a GM with a coherent plan that maximizes the chances of success while minimizing risk by remaining as flexible as possible. Demps has made IMO a lot of unnecessary risk and then refused to move on once those moves failed to work.

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His refusal to move on from bad decisions is his biggest downfall. Overpaying Holiday will be a classic Demps move that will likely come back to haunt us. I would set a max of 20 million a season with Holiday to play SG, and let him leave if he wants/gets more. I'd take Eric Bledsoe (Cousin's friend) at PG over Holiday any day. Having Bledsoe at PG and Holiday at SG would be ideal.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

His refusal to move on from bad decisions is his biggest downfall. Overpaying Holiday will be a classic Demps move that will likely come back to haunt us. I would set a max of 20 million a season with Holiday to play SG, and let him leave if he wants/gets more. I'd take Eric Bledsoe (Cousin's friend) at PG over Holiday any day. Having Bledsoe at PG and Holiday at SG would be ideal.

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Okay that's all cool and everything but what happens if we can't get Bledsoe and we let jrue walk then we're left with what at point and who at sg?

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Originally Posted by bahmamamba

Okay that's all cool and everything but what happens if we can't get Bledsoe and we let jrue walk then we're left with what at point and who at sg?

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I think we need to shop Moore, Pondexter (for contract purposes), and our 2018 top 3 protected first rounder for a PG like Bledsoe, Rubio, or Dragic. Rubio would likely be the worst fit due to his poor shooting, but they would all be better true PGs than Holiday. If we can't get any, then we have to settle for Jrue playing PG. If Jrue walks as a SG, then we go after a free agent like Korver or trade for a SG like Nick Young.

I just really want to throw a name out there to see what people say. Has this guy ever been talked about for any job other than the one he has? Geno Auriemma.