NBADraft.net - New Mock, June 18, 2013 (Now with Len #1, Porter #5)

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06-18-2013, 10:59 AM
donato

I'd be a little annoyed if we passed on Oladipo.
06-18-2013, 12:28 PM
Eman5805

One thing that I've noticed is that the game never got bigger than Otto Porter. Like he was always capable of producing and impacting the game. He wasn't a take the game over guy, but no matter what is required, he will be there.

I guess what I'm saying is that because he can score, defend, rebound, pass, and initiate offense, he almost never disappeared. He had a bad last game of the year, but those weren't all that common.
06-18-2013, 12:35 PM
MichaelMcNamara

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

One thing that I've noticed is that the game never got bigger than Otto Porter. Like he was always capable of producing and impacting the game. He wasn't a take the game over guy, but no matter what is required, he will be there.

I guess what I'm saying is that because he can score, defend, rebound, pass, and initiate offense, he almost never disappeared. He had a bad last game of the year, but those weren't all that common.

Exactly. And I am not comparing the two, but that is what made Jason Kidd so great throughout his career. If he couldn't score, he could still pass, defend, rebound, etc. There are so many ways to impact a game. People love scorers, but if they are off, then what do they give you? Take Ben McLemore, for instance. If he isn't hitting, what does he bring to the table? Maybe slightly above average rebounding for his position; maybe.

Give me the guy who can impact the game in the most ways and I know that he will give me something every night and on some nights he will give me everything.
06-18-2013, 12:41 PM
Eman5805

Which is why I was and still am so gaga about Anthony Davis. If AD is having an off shooting night, he can still impact the game with his length, great hands, and quickness by getting last minute tip ins or deflections or that key rebound or block.
06-18-2013, 12:51 PM
MichaelMcNamara

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Which is why I was and still am so gaga about Anthony Davis. If AD is having an off shooting night, he can still impact the game with his length, great hands, and quickness by getting last minute tip ins or deflections or that key rebound or block.

Exactly. Shot wasn't falling yet he still wins Final Four MOP. I disagree with Bill Russell and Uncle Drew, the game isn't ALL about getting buckets. It's also about creating them and defending them
06-18-2013, 01:12 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Exactly. Shot wasn't falling yet he still wins Final Four MOP. I disagree with Bill Russell and Uncle Drew, the game isn't ALL about getting buckets. It's also about creating them and defending them

It is all about getting buckets which is why defending them is so important. Guess it's just how you look at it.
06-18-2013, 01:13 PM
Spaniard

I'm definitely in agreement with these last few posts. Not sure what there is not to like with Porter. You would be talking about adding an EXTREMELY long SF next to an EXTREMELY long PF in Davis. Porter is the wing defender we have been desperate for. He also can handle the ball, and shoot the jumper, unlike another SF I know. He is definitely the type of guy that can give you 10+, 5 and 5, and just make your team so much better. It's also our weakest position, so it would allow us to focus our resources on other positions like PG and C where there are more viable options.

It would be a homerun, and he would be a fan favorite no doubt. The kid is a winner.
06-18-2013, 01:18 PM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

It kind of makes you realize why AI bolted so quickly while under John Thompson Jr.

I like Porter, and if we landed him it would be a great move. We would finally have the sf we have lacked for years.

Plus not have to pay a ridiculous amount of money on Iggy.
06-18-2013, 01:20 PM
bradael

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Originally Posted by DirtySouf

I haven't seen much of Porter except his highlights but he looks slow and uncoordinated to me. With that being said, I still hope he falls to us...

Which is basically why he's compared to Tayshaun Prince. Not spectacular at anything. Not a great athlete. But good at everything. Good rebounder, passer, shooter, and defender. He also has a low post game offensively.
06-18-2013, 01:20 PM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

I think Otto Porter is the Marvin Williams of this draft.

McLemore
Bennet
Oladipo
McCollum
Pope
alex len

one of these

Porter proved alot more in college than Marvin who was a 6th man on a stacked roster.
06-18-2013, 01:22 PM
Pelicans78

I would be really happy with Porter. He could start right away and for 10+ seasons.
06-18-2013, 01:25 PM
PELICANSFAN

I was never really wowed by Porter (and I guess that is what those above are saying). He seemed to fade towards the end of the season and disappeared in the tourney. I think he would be a good pick, but I am not as high on him as most.
06-18-2013, 01:56 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

I don't know why people are so against Len. To me, the dude has massive potential. 7'1", already pretty skilled and can move. Maryland's guards never fed him the ball to dominate, but the potential is there.

I am more worried about his stress fracture than his potential.
06-18-2013, 02:10 PM
HornetGuru

if otto porter is there he will undoubtably be the pick, monty values his style AND wants length, porter is 6"9 with a 7"1 wingspan
06-18-2013, 02:14 PM
HornetGuru

if we somehow luck out and land otto porter who would yall want to sign for the PG position, jennings or teague?
06-18-2013, 02:19 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

if we somehow luck out and land otto porter who would yall want to sign for the PG position, jennings or teague?

If those are my choice's I'd say teague. I would love to try and trade for Rondo though.
06-18-2013, 02:24 PM
Silverfoxx

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Honestly the more I've watched him I've kind of become "meh" on Otto Porter.

This. His ceiling is terrible and very mediocre for his draft position.
06-18-2013, 02:34 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

This. His ceiling is terrible and very mediocre for his draft position.

disagree, for him to do what he did in georgetown's system is impressive in itself, in the NBA where he will be allowed to play his game more i see huge improvements and he is young. I pray we get him.
06-18-2013, 02:44 PM
MonsterMash

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Exactly. And I am not comparing the two, but that is what made Jason Kidd so great throughout his career. If he couldn't score, he could still pass, defend, rebound, etc. There are so many ways to impact a game. People love scorers, but if they are off, then what do they give you? Take Ben McLemore, for instance. If he isn't hitting, what does he bring to the table? Maybe slightly above average rebounding for his position; maybe.

Give me the guy who can impact the game in the most ways and I know that he will give me something every night and on some nights he will give me everything.

THIS. There are only so many shots to go around. You want guys that are capable offensively, of course, but guys that can provide a lot of value without taking shots from others is a pretty huge deal.
06-18-2013, 03:04 PM
MonsterMash

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

if otto porter is there he will undoubtably be the pick, monty values his style AND wants length, porter is 6"9 with a 7"1 wingspan

Yeah, honestly I think if we were at 1, Porter would be in the mix at the very least for us.
06-18-2013, 03:40 PM
GuardianAngel25

I think Len is the bust of this draft and would rather take Muscala over this kid. He already has a injury that could potentially be a serious problem for a big man. I watched him disappear in a few games and if your that good you demand the ball on such a weak team. Not buying it that his guards didn't get him the ball. He was 7'1 playing against guys half his size and he still couldn't dominate. He has sky rocketed up boards because of Hibberts play. I have seen Mac state many times you don't need a dominant center to win and that is the truth. He reminds me of Lopez and i'd rather not have 2 of them.
06-18-2013, 03:41 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

I think Len is the bust of this draft and would rather take Muscala over this kid. He already has a injury that could potentially be a serious problem for a big man. I watched him disappear in a few games and if your that good you demand the ball on such a weak team. Not buying it that his guards didn't get him the ball. He was 7'1 playing against guys half his size and he still couldn't dominate. He has sky rocketed up boards because of Hibberts play. I have seen Mac state many times you don't need a dominant center to win and that is the truth. He reminds me of Lopez and i'd rather not have 2 of them.

How does he remind you of Lopez? I think Lopez is a decent enough center, but he and Len could not be any more different.
06-18-2013, 03:51 PM
GuardianAngel25

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Originally Posted by donato

I'd be a little annoyed if we passed on Oladipo.

You and me both. I know 1 thing if we pick Len over Oladipo or Burke I will not be a season ticket holder haha. Good thing is only 1 should be there so I have no choice.
06-18-2013, 03:53 PM
Snarly

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

How does he remind you of Lopez? I think Lopez is a decent enough center, but he and Len could not be any more different.

Lopez with athleticism is a top center in the league.
06-18-2013, 03:59 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Lopez with athleticism is a top center in the league.

Possibly. That is why I cannot see the Len-Lopez comparison. Lopez has nowhere near the athleticism of Len or similar offensive game.

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