First things first... What is Rivers?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

ginnobili was a 6th man and was one of the keys to the spurs dynasty, u need a 6th man to take advantage of the lesser talanted bench players vs ur opponent to keep a lead or extend it. u honestly need 1 good guard and 1 good forward of the bench, if both ur starting guards get 33 minutes it leaves 30 minutes of bench minutes between the pg and SG spot, thats where rivers comes in, save for ryno at the forward spot. we have ryno and rivers for that, now we just need a starting pg and sf and we are set, we get our PG this year, SF next draft. done deal.

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We need more than that. Lopez is not a starter in this league.

Ask not, what the Pelicans can do for Rivers, Ask, what Rivers can do for the Pelicans!!!

How Austin Rivers fits into this team will depend entirely on what Dell and Monty do in the draft and free agency.




P.S. You read that first line in the Massachusetts, accent of JFK, didn't you? :hihi:

No plans should be made for Rivers. Passing on a FA or draftee because Rivers is the point of our future would be crazy. Let him work his *** off and earn his roster spot like anyone. I have a ton of faith in Rivers that at the very least he will be a nice combo guard off the bench like Delonte West (Minus the crazy).

But no judgement should be made on him. Neither should we give up on him or plan around him. Let him earn it.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

We need more than that. Lopez is not a starter in this league.

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if lopez is the worst starter on ur team ur not doing that bad... if we have a lineup of burke, gordon, wiggins or parker and davis, i think we could live with ryno, plus we could get a C in fa.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

U shouldn't, there are plenty of busts or just role players drafted in the top 10. Don't have time to research it, but I'd love to see the % of players who were drafted between 6-10 in the 1st round and are quality starters in the NBA today. I'd bet it's not as high as you think it is.

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#6: lillard, vesely, udoh, flynn, gallinari, jianlian, roy, webster, childress, kaman
#7: barnes, byombo, monroe, curry, gordon, brewer, foye, villanueva, deng, hinrich
#8: ross, knight, aminu, hill (jordan), alexander, wright (brandan), gay, frye, araujo, tj ford
#9: drummond, walker (kemba), heyward, derozan, augustin, noah, o'bryant (patrick), diogu, iguodala, sweetney
#10: rivers, fredette, george, jennings, lopez (brook), hawes, sene, bynum, jackson (luke), hayes

I've looked only from 2003 -> on, because there were lots of other players (like stoudemire, nowitzki, iguodala and so on) but 10 years should give us a short time and plenty to see anyway

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

I'm confused to what your point is exactly? You claimed you'd be disappointed if Rivers doesn't end up a starter here right? I'm saying you shouldn't because he could become our back up 1/2, if we draft Burke to start at the 1. Burke is already better at running an offense than Rivers is at this point. We shouldn't pass on Burke just because we have Rivers. The one position we pass on talent wise is PF because our two best players both play this position.

EDIT:Nevermind I saw your responses above. If he's the backup 1/2 he could easily get 30 min a game and continue to develop there.

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THANK you. What's wrong with Rivers heading up one of the best benches in the league with Ryno?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

if lopez is the worst starter on ur team ur not doing that bad... if we have a lineup of burke, gordon, wiggins or parker and davis, i think we could live with ryno, plus we could get a C in fa.

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It could be argued Lopez was our worse starter this year and should be the first one replaced.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

It could be argued Lopez was our worse starter this year and should be the first one replaced.

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lopez was far better than any of our sf's or sg's, not including eric gordon because he never played. lopez was extremely good and efficient this year.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

lopez was far better than any of our sf's or sg's, not including eric gordon because he never played. lopez was extremely good and efficient this year.

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Debatable. Aminu wasn't a big time scorer but the other things he brought to the table I gladly keep him over Lopez. There is a reason Lopez wasn't a starter before he got here. He is ok in limited minutes probably even better playing against second stringers.

We should see how well Rivers play this summer. He'll bring the ball up court since he will be the PG.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Debatable. Aminu wasn't a big time scorer but the other things he brought to the table I gladly keep him over Lopez. There is a reason Lopez wasn't a starter before he got here. He is ok in limited minutes probably even better playing against second stringers.

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lopez wasn't a starter for the suns, they have gortat a beast, i dont know if aminu would start for any team besides us.

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Originally Posted by Trell

We should see how well Rivers play this summer. He'll bring the ball up court since he will be the PG.

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Knowing these guys, they will preach continuing his development at point guard than proceed to put him out there at SG with Roberts or some Dleaguer at point.

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

I think he is better suited at PG but if we draft a PG this year I don't see how he can possibly develop at the 1. Still hope we trade it for a vet at C or SF or draft a SF

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This. Gordon Hayward please!!!

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

lopez wasn't a starter for the suns, they have gortat a beast, i dont know if aminu would start for any team besides us.

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I know Lopez wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

I know Lopez wouldn't.

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i guarantee i can come up with more teams with lopez being their starting center than u can with aminu as their starting SF.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

i guarantee i can come up with more teams with lopez being their starting center than u can with aminu as their starting SF.

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Go for it.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Go for it.

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ok doing it now, ill be waiting for ur aminu list.

76ers (if u dont wanna count this because of bynum ok he never is healthy and will be gone this year)
celtics (would be much better with KG at PF not C)
Spurs (same as celtics but with duncan)
Cavs (varejao is never healthy)
atlanta (same as spurs and celtics but with horford)
bobcats - lopez > byombo
heat - (same as celtics, bosh is a PF)

Lopez wasn't starting for the Suns in his last season with them but he HAS started a significant amount of games for them. Whether it was by committee because someone else was hurt or for other reasons I don't know but he has started for them. Didn't he also have some kind of injury when he was with the Suns? We could do better at the starting center position. Lopez wouldn't be bad at all as a backup center. He's not all that athletic as some would like him to be but that could be because of the injuries he's had.

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

Lopez wasn't starting for the Suns in his last season with them but he HAS started a significant amount of games for them. Whether it was by committee because someone else was hurt or for other reasons I don't know but he has started for them. Didn't he also have some kind of injury when he was with the Suns? We could do better at the starting center position. Lopez wouldn't be bad at all as a backup center. He's not all that athletic as some would like him to be but that could be because of the injuries he's had.

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That's true and he averaged less than 15 minutes a game. And it was really just one year.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

That's true and he averaged less than 15 minutes a game. And it was really just one year.

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where's ur list?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

76ers (if u dont wanna count this because of bynum ok he never is healthy and will be gone this year)
celtics (would be much better with KG at PF not C)
Spurs (same as celtics but with duncan)
Cavs (varejao is never healthy)
atlanta (same as spurs and celtics but with horford)
bobcats - lopez > byombo
heat - (same as celtics, bosh is a PF)

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Getting mine but this list a little weak. 2 were Heath issues, KG best position right now IS center and even if you say Duncan a PF Splitter still better than Lopez. I will give you the bobcats and Atlanta though horford been playing center almost since day 1.

Rivers = Parker, Vasquez (quicker,please go to sonic boom) =Ginobli. Davis =Duncan.


Draft a C/PG

Snag Julius Randle next year.


DyNASTY :D

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Getting mine but this list a little weak. 2 were Heath issues, KG best position right now IS center and even if you say Duncan a PF Splitter still better than Lopez. I will give you the bobcats and Atlanta though horford been playing center almost since day 1.

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no he hasn't, when they had joe johnson their lineup was bibby, johnson, josh smith, horford, zaza
thats when they were at their best, horford is a true PF.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

where's ur list?

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Cleveland Alonzo gee?
Detroit Singler just as bad on d as Aminu is on o without the athleticism
Memphis Tayshuan done
Milwaukee mboute or whatever is Aminu lite
Phoenix don't know why they not starting Dudley but Aminu way better than Tucker