Who is more serviceable for next year Lopez or Vasquez?

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I really think you miss why we weren't ok with gv last year. Rivers is an upgrade in that sense. DEFENSE.

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exactly, i'd rather rivers' defense and giving him more minutes will also help him improve than GV who wont get any better

and ryno's contract is a great 1, 8 million for a 24 year old stretch forword who can knock down the 3 any time, is clutch, is a great offensive rebounder and not in his prime yet. He's is also extremely effcient and has one of the best win shares per 48 than any player in the league.

If I am Dell, my thought process is as so:

Both players provided adequate stop gaps for this last year. Both players can be considered good trade chips with the luxury tax penalties coming into effect due to decent production/salary. Regardless of who will make my team better for the immediate next year, what sequence do I need to trade these guys in order to maximize value in return - since neither are really long term answers.

I would begin looking to ship GV immediately. For now GV gives you more than what you are paying. When his new contract comes around his production per cost will be a lot lower and less of a value to rival gms. Also he will not be a cap relief any longer. I would look for teams who are desperate for a pg or excellent backup pg around the luxury line or above. In return I want other young players or draft pick(s).

I think Lopez will be of even more value the following year. 5 million expiring contract for a starting caliber center is gold. This will also be when other teams absolutely will start conforming to the luxury line. I can see a few teams above the penalty trying to keep players together if they make a run next year but after that I predict salary dumps. I also think Davis will make Lopez look real good next year which may trick a team or two.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Even if they keep Vasquez on for his final year (or until he gets traded), if they don't draft a PG Rivers will get his shot. Monty wants him to be the starter over Vasquez as it is.

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Where do you get this from? Everything I have heard form Monty in two interviews is that he likes the versatility he gets with Rivers, so he can spend some time in different positions, but when asked if he wanted Rivers to become starting PG he did not seem very exited about the idea?

I wish both could be kept as backups, but if not have a great bench.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

exactly, i'd rather rivers' defense and giving him more minutes will also help him improve than GV who wont get any better

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Are you kidding me? Vasquez has gotten better every year he has been in the league. His is doing better than Nash at the same point in their careers. Vasquez will continue to get better, but you have to make Rivers beat him out. You don't just give River the starting job, you make him beat GV out and prove that he can bring something to the starting lineup. With luck he does, but you view GV the way I view Rivers...bench guy and nothing more.

It depends on what you mean by servicable.

In my view, Vasquez is more versitile. He gives you more points, he can give you the rebounds and the assists.

Lopez is more consistent and isn't going to kill you defensively as Vasquez will. Plus he's more efficient offensively. Better overall player.

I disagree with the notion that Rivers would be an upgrade over Vasquez next season after having a horrible season. Rivers also has holes defensively that need to be improved upon.

Oh yeah, Vasquez isn't better than Nash at this stage. That's a bogus argument.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Oh yeah, Vasquez isn't better than Nash at this stage. That's a bogus argument.

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Nash: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l?mobile=false
GV: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l?mobile=false

This is why I don't understand why people think GV can't get better than he already is. Every year he has improved, and he has brought something new to his game. It should be fun to see what the future holds for him here.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Are you kidding me? Vasquez has gotten better every year he has been in the league. His is doing better than Nash at the same point in their careers. Vasquez will continue to get better, but you have to make Rivers beat him out. You don't just give River the starting job, you make him beat GV out and prove that he can bring something to the starting lineup. With luck he does, but you view GV the way I view Rivers...bench guy and nothing more.

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define better

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Originally Posted by jgman

define better

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Better bet·ter 1 (btr)
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2.
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b. To greater advantage; preferably: a deed better left undone. See Usage Notes at best, have, rather.
3. More: It took me better than a year to recover.
n.
1. One that is greater in excellence or higher in quality.
2. A superior, as in standing, competence, or intelligence. Usually used in the plural: to learn from one's betters.
v. bet·tered, bet·ter·ing, bet·ters
v.tr.
1. To make better; improve: trying to better conditions in the prison; bettered myself by changing jobs. See Synonyms at improve.
2. To surpass or exceed.
v.intr.
To become better.
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for the better
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get/have the better of
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think better of
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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Nash: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l?mobile=false
GV: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l?mobile=false

This is why I don't understand why people think GV can't get better than he already is. Every year he has improved, and he has brought something new to his game. It should be fun to see what the future holds for him here.

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I could be wrong here, but I think when most people on here say that GV "can't get better" or has little upside, they're referring to his athletic shortcomings, which affect his ability to play defense and blow by his man on offense. Not so much improving his skill/game/intangibles...he can definitely improve that IMO. Other than his occasional hero-ball play, I love GV's game. Since his first year in NOLA, I likened his game (*not talent*) to a poor man's CP3 or Nash in that he can both play within the PG flow of the offense in terms of distributing the ball while still being able to score and get his. Kinda the opposite of how I feel about Russ West...I recognize and love his talent and athletic gifts, but absolutely hate his game as a PG.

I feel that because of his athletic shortcomings, GV will always be a limited player because he will be a liability in many matchups as a starting PG, which is why I wouldn't mind him being sent elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Nash: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l?mobile=false
GV: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l?mobile=false

This is why I don't understand why people think GV can't get better than he already is. Every year he has improved, and he has brought something new to his game. It should be fun to see what the future holds for him here.

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Compare the ages and then get back to me.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Compare the ages and then get back to me.

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I find it hard to believe you even clicked the links before making this argument since both links go to Nash.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Compare the ages and then get back to me.

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They were the same age when they came in (22).

But click the links again.

GV:http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l?mobile=false
Nash: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l?mobile=false

Vasquez > lopez

That question needs to be answered depending on how the offseason goes. I think Vasquez is the better player, however he's the easiest to replace this offseason. Vasquez is the better player, but I think Lopez will have the bigger role for this team in 2013-14.