Burke

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

If the draft ended today I think it would go something like this

bobcats - noel - need size badly in their front court
magic - smart - need a playmaker and pg
cavs - porter - need a do it all SF with kyrie and waiters doing the scoring
suns - mclemore - they are dying for a SG
pistons - oladipo - if they keep knight at PG oladipo would be a good fit, they can get enough scoring from monroe and knight
pelicans - shabazz - if we keep rivers at PG or keep GV, or sign jennings or teague we still need a scorer at the 3 which is what bazz is.
Twolves - Alex len - with losing pek they need a C
Kings - trey burke - i would have said zeller but they have patrick patterson, GR3 could be another option for SF
thunder from raptors - zeller - they have ibaka but an offensive PF who can play the 4 or 5 would help inside scoring which they need bad
philly - glen robinson III - get a SF and move turner back to SG where he can handle the ball more

this is basically how i see the draft going, i know bazz is only 6"6 but he has a 7ft wingspan and in a league getting smaller and playing small ball he would be fine and i love his will to win, he has a nice mix of scoring and strength like a combo of james harden and paul pierce. i think he will be a 20ppg-4.5rpg type of player

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Good mock in my opinion, I see it very similar. I agree with whoever else said Detroit would probably pick Bazz or Burke even because they need scoring, and B Knight is not a good shooter. Anyways, this mock is a lot better than the other Internet "expert" mocks.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Interesting comment from a NBA GM.

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Considering everyone on here considers him a bad athlete, yes. I never really got that. Just because he doesn't shove it down the throat of the rim at 5'11 doesn't mean he's not a good athlete.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Considering everyone on here considers him a bad athlete, yes. I never really got that. Just because he doesn't shove it down the throat of the rim at 5'11 doesn't mean he's not a good athlete.

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When I watch him I see a guy that's more athletic than he plays. Kind of like Austin Rivers.

He can get you on his hip with an elite first step, but he can't really get you off his hip after that. He lacks the speed. But that's where the strength comes in (something that Rivers doesn't have), to where he can muscle his way to the rim. That's definitely a concern for how effective he'll be in the league, but I think he does enough other things that it won't be too difficult of a problem.

He can see everywhere on the court, he can be driving left and you can have a guy cutting to the rim from the right corner and he'll find you. He's obviously a great shooter, but he's also really crafty. He kind of reminds me of Chris Paul in the way that he may not be able to blow by you on every possession (Chris Paul is more athletic and quick, but he too sometimes has trouble getting players off his hip) but he can use his craftiness and use effective dribbles to get where he needs to go, or set up the offense and his teammates. But then again, in the open court (like Paul) he really has a second gear that he can go to.

I also have no idea what McNamara is talking about saying he can't put pressure on the ball defensively. No idea. But I really like him.

I think Burke has to be the pick unless we land top 3.

So after smart, mc, and Noel... Then Burke? Anyone else think differently about pick #4? I like Burke over oladipo, porter and Bazz personally.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

So after smart, mc, and Noel... Then Burke? Anyone else think differently about pick #4

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Those are the only 3 i like above him honestly. Poter is nice but i'm not in love w him. I want Porter or Burke honestly.

The reason people say Burke isn't athletic because when they're thinking of athletic they're picturing Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose, guys who are fast, can rise, and are lightning quick.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

what would it take to get larry sanders? he has been having a monster month racking up games of 24-15 and stuff like that, with jennings leaving for sure and ellis being their scorer maybe they would take GV to have a true PG and Lopez to replace sanders especially since they have another long athletic shot blocker in henson and lopez could give them some offense? I guess the question is would they rather have just larry sanders or GV and lopez? Maybe throw in our 2014 2nd rounder.

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Rumor around the deadline was that they made Larry Sanders untouchable in discussions for Josh Smith, so I think it would take more than GV and Lopez.

Outside of McLemore, Smart, Noel, and Burke I'm not really all that in love with anyone. And I think I put Burke in there mostly because we need a PG. I like Oladipo as well, but like I've said, I don't think his offensive contribution will be all that great.

McLemore, Porter, Burke, Bennett, Oladipo, and Muhammad are pretty much all I'd be okay with going after. Don't get a good vibe out of Noel, Smart, or any of the other bigs. And everyone else grades too low to take lotto.

Smart? He could very well be the best player in this class by the time they're up for new contracts.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

The reason people say Burke isn't athletic because when they're thinking of athletic they're picturing Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose, guys who are fast, can rise, and are lightning quick.

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And also reckless with turnovers, charges, and wild shots. Burke plays at a nice pace for a point guard. Especially with Eric Gordon right next to you.

Same is said about a lot of great PGs in today's game, just means Smart is aggressive. Not that Burke isn't, but Burke has that leadership quality where he controls the pace of the game.

If the draft falls like this, is everyone on board with taking Shabazz over, say, Glenn Robinson? I know shabazz has gotten more ink, but I'm wondering if GRIII's upside is higher. Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by new city champ

If the draft falls like this, is everyone on board with taking Shabazz over, say, Glenn Robinson? I know shabazz has gotten more ink, but I'm wondering if GRIII's upside is higher. Thoughts?

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It's definetly higher. I love me a high riser.

gr3 has more upside at becoming a complete player as in a scorer rebounder and defender, i could see him averaging 18-7-3 in the league but bazz has more scoring potential and i see him averaging 20-4

I would love to see him go back for one more year after Burke is gone and see him improve his jump shooting and attacking as he has been criticized as being laid back. It's understandable when Hardaway Jr. and Burke are leading the group, but will he be able to be that go-to-guy if he's focused on or will he be like Jame McAdoo?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

gr3 has more upside at becoming a complete player as in a scorer rebounder and defender, i could see him averaging 18-7-3 in the league but bazz has more scoring potential and i see him averaging 20-4

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3 problems with his game right now. Very inconsistent shooting, inability to create, and disappears for long stretches(confidence?). He needs another year and I can't imagine anyone would take him in the top 10 right now. Tremendous potential but his game needs a lot of development. If he stays, he will have every opportunity to expand his game and naturally develops into a go-to option.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Smart? He could very well be the best player in this class by the time they're up for new contracts.

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I really want to, but I just don't see that.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

I really want to, but I just don't see that.

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Why not? He's the most complete player in this class.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Why not? He's the most complete player in this class.

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You probably mean most well-rounded prospect. Nothing in his game is complete yet. Even then, Porter would give him a run for his money.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Why not? He's the most complete player in this class.

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How can you say that when his shooting percentages are almost cringe-worthy? Please change my mind, but I can't stand guards that can't shoot consistently.

Smart will give a team one tough PG, that's for damn sure.

Of the top 8 prospects mentioned who do ppl believe will be a starter from day one in the NBA
and more importantly start for the Pels?

I want a player who will contribute straight away not another project like Rivers.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

How can you say that when his shooting percentages are almost cringe-worthy? Please change my mind, but I can't stand guards that can't shoot consistently.

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Because he does EVERYTHING else well.