Eric Gordon to Point Guard?

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03-14-2013, 09:41 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I feel like this is a completely fair assessment. It comes down to, are we living on his reputation and hope he can get back to where he was or who he is today. I personally believe it's somewhere in the middle. Maybe him losing a little explosiveness makes him a better fit for the 1 instead of the 2 now. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer the board can answer.

FIFY. Also what's your quantitate method to say he's 10xs better? Or just saying that as hyperbole?
I've watched Gordon quite a few times this year and i can tell you currently, he is NOT a phenomenal ball handler or passer, esp if you compare him to a 1. Can he do it? In Flashes, but that's all i've seen from him. I hope he gets back to that, trust me, but we will see.

u needa go see his tape from indiana and the clippers, when healthy he is a very good ball handler, he is definetly a better passer than greivis, he is always threading the needle w awesome passes, he is one of the best pick n roll guards in the league and he is 10000x the defender than GV is
03-14-2013, 09:46 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

u needa go see his tape from indiana and the clippers, when healthy he is a very good ball handler, he is definetly a better passer than greivis, he is always threading the needle w awesome passes, he is one of the best pick n roll guards in the league and he is 10000x the defender than GV is

Read what i wrote above it about reputation versus reality now. I agree about the defensive part, mainly because GV is possibly the worst starting PG defender in the league. Is he really extraordinary now or is your assessment based off of what you've seen in the past? Is EG who he will be forever now, will he go back to the old days, or will he be somewhere in the middle? No one has the answer, but if you made an honest assessment about his play for the hornets this year, there's not way you'd rate him he's top tier in any phase with a straight face. We're on the hook for a lot of money for Gordon, so I hope that he regains his previous form, but i want to be realistic.
03-14-2013, 09:49 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Read what i wrote above it about reputation versus reality now. I agree about the defensive part, mainly because GV is possibly the worst starting PG defender in the league. Is he really extraordinary now or is your assessment based off of what you've seen in the past? Is EG who he will be forever now, will he go back to the old days, or will he be somewhere in the middle? No one has the answer, but if you made an honest assessment about his play for the hornets this year, there's not way you'd rate him he's top tier in any phase with a straight face. We're on the hook for a lot of money for Gordon, so I hope that he regains his previous form, but i want to be realistic.

there is no way to tell yet and we are stuck with gordon for another year anyway because of his no trade clause, we will see, and if not then we will trade him.
03-14-2013, 09:51 PM
AUSSIE_PELICAN

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

u needa go see his tape from indiana and the clippers, when healthy he is a very good ball handler, he is definetly a better passer than greivis, he is always threading the needle w awesome passes, he is one of the best pick n roll guards in the league and he is 10000x the defender than GV is

But you are assuming that Gordon will be as good as he was 3 years ago.
Not saying he won't, but its a business and they aren't going to wait past the trade deadline nest season.....trust me.

You know what happens when you assume dont you?

You make an *** out of U and ME :hihi:

Love that one!
03-14-2013, 09:55 PM
FlyGirl

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

there is no way to tell yet and we are stuck with gordon for another year anyway because of his no trade clause, we will see, and if not then we will trade him.

Gordon can be traded this summer.
03-14-2013, 09:55 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

But you are assuming that Gordon will be as good as he was 3 years ago.
Not saying he won't, but its a business and they aren't going to wait past the trade deadline nest season.....trust me.

You know what happens when you assume dont you?

You make an *** out of U and ME :hihi:

Love that one!

Well im strictly making the same assumption the front office is, they would not have given gordon a max deal if they didnt think he would return to his old ways, now am I saying he will? no, but is that the plan for now? without a doubt yes.
03-14-2013, 09:56 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

Gordon can be traded this summer.

Ya i know but i still believe they will give him one more year, well half a year until next years trade deadline.
03-14-2013, 10:02 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

there is no way to tell yet and we are stuck with gordon for another year anyway because of his no trade clause, we will see, and if not then we will trade him.

If we trade gordon this summer or at midseason, I fear the return will be less than stellar. It's not like he's tearing the league up. Still isn't playing in back to backs. The only way i can foresee us trading him is from a few things:

1. They've lost all hope for him and are willing to trade him for a bag of chips.
2. He blows it up next half season.
3. We draft McLemore and just say it's time to move on and we take a bag of chips for him.

Just because we want to trade for him, doesn't mean there's a suitable partner. Gordon's contract is not very good and the new lux cap figures start next year. If trading were so easy, why wasn't Josh Smith traded this trade DL? they know they're losing him no matter what. I just think they "we'll just trade him scenario" is a little harder than it's thrown out to be.
03-14-2013, 10:14 PM
nolaslim213

See, you are saying that the "reality" is that Gordon isn't a great ball handler right now. While that may be true, the true reality is that he has been away from basketball for the past year and a half, and it takes time to build that skill up again. Monty and Gordon both attested to the fact that he is rust. It is what it is... They also both expect a breakout season next year, and I expect the same.

So, Gordon isn't sharp right now, and that's a fact or reality or whatever you want to call it. However, that should be temporary because he has exhibited elite skill in the past. It just takes time to refine his game again.
03-14-2013, 10:19 PM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

Gordon can be traded this summer.

And what happens draft day will influence that imo. Mclemore or Oladipo, and bye bye Eric.
03-14-2013, 10:21 PM
HornetGuru

worst comes to worst and gordon doesnt come back to his old form and we cant get equal trade value atleast we will get out of his max contract allowing us to get good free agents
03-14-2013, 10:21 PM
BallSoHard

Eric Gordon to Point Guard?

"Expect" "should" none of this "is" is what I'm saying. Everything about Gordon is pinned on hope of what he was and what he should be and what they expect him to get back to. I think we're saying the same thing but you expect him to get back to what he was, I expect a better form than he is today but less than he was before.
03-14-2013, 10:24 PM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

"Expect" "should" none of this "is" is what I'm saying. Everything about Gordon is pinned on hope of what he was and what he should be and what they expect him to get back to. I think we're saying the same thing but you expect him to get back to what he was, I expect a better form than he is today but less than he was before.

I'd be ok with the Eric Gordon that showed up the very last game we played. :tongue2:
03-14-2013, 10:27 PM
BallSoHard

Eric Gordon to Point Guard?

Also the your " true reality" (as if your reality is more meaningful or right than mine lol) doesn't divert from the "reality" that he's not a great ball handler today. There can be more than one fact in reality, they're not mutually exclusive.- Because Gordon has missed a year and a half he is not as good of a ball handler as he used to be.- this statement says the same thing were both saying and includes whatever your "true reality" and what my "reality " is. But that doesn't mean he will ever be as good as he once was. As I said before its nothing anyone can claim to answer, that's for the future.
03-14-2013, 10:31 PM
HornetGuru

gordon is looking better and better as the season goes on, if he stays healthy and has an offseason i think he will be very good, if not, goodbye.
03-14-2013, 11:25 PM
Nola3

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

And what happens draft day will influence that imo. Mclemore or Oladipo, and bye bye Eric.

This was the main reason I made this thread though. Would it be a good move to move EG over and have him play in the backcourt with one of these two, or even Shabazz? Or would it be better to trade him and get 30-60 cents on the dollar?
03-14-2013, 11:36 PM
Inner_GI

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Originally Posted by Nola3

This was the main reason I made this thread though. Would it be a good move to move EG over and have him play in the backcourt with one of these two, or even Shabazz? Or would it be better to trade him and get 30-60 cents on the dollar?

I don't see anything that makes me think Gordon can play the PG position for 30+ minutes a night. I can see 10-12 minutes to close the last 3-4 minutes of a quarter/half.
03-15-2013, 12:06 AM
nolaslim213

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

"Expect" "should" none of this "is" is what I'm saying. Everything about Gordon is pinned on hope of what he was and what he should be and what they expect him to get back to. I think we're saying the same thing but you expect him to get back to what he was, I expect a better form than he is today but less than he was before.

It is "expected" that Davis "should" become a superstar. We can't be sure though.

I would agree with your point if we were talking about Gordon's explosion or athleticism, but we're talking about dribbling - a skill that even the worst knee injury should effect. Gordon is rust. It is what it is. It's not like a knee injury (which he looks pretty darn explosive right now) is going to keep him from regaining his dribbling skills. That just comes back with more time on the court.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Also the your " true reality" (as if your reality is more meaningful or right than mine lol) doesn't divert from the "reality" that he's not a great ball handler today. There can be more than one fact in reality, they're not mutually exclusive.- Because Gordon has missed a year and a half he is not as good of a ball handler as he used to be.- this statement says the same thing were both saying and includes whatever your "true reality" and what my "reality " is. But that doesn't mean he will ever be as good as he once was. As I said before its nothing anyone can claim to answer, that's for the future.

Ha I'm not saying my reality is better than yours or whatever. I'm just saying that the basis for your argument isn't solid. It's not real. You are saying that Gordon's knee injury is effecting his dribbling ability, and I'm telling you that you are wrong. It's the fact that he has been off the court for a year and a half that is effecting his dribbling ability.

And I'm not trying to play this game, but Monty agrees with me.
03-15-2013, 07:46 AM
da ThRONe

This team as constructed needs a true PG or at least a pass first PG. A guy looking to get his the majority, of the time works if you have a legitimate scoring option other than the ball handler. You want scorers like Gordon to focus on scoring and not having to bother with making sure his teammates are involved.
03-15-2013, 02:25 PM
kclaboy504

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

This team as constructed needs a true PG or at least a pass first PG. A guy looking to get his the majority, of the time works if you have a legitimate scoring option other than the ball handler. You want scorers like Gordon to focus on scoring and not having to bother with making sure his teammates are involved.

Okc..bulls..spurs..warriors...cavs....all disagree
03-15-2013, 02:27 PM
BallSoHard

Eric Gordon to Point Guard?

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Okc..bulls..spurs..warriors...cavs....all disagree

Did you not see the part where he said "this team as constructed " do you think we're at all constructed like any of the teams you named ?
03-15-2013, 02:56 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

It is "expected" that Davis "should" become a superstar. We can't be sure though.

I would agree with your point if we were talking about Gordon's explosion or athleticism, but we're talking about dribbling - a skill that even the worst knee injury should effect. Gordon is rust. It is what it is. It's not like a knee injury (which he looks pretty darn explosive right now) is going to keep him from regaining his dribbling skills. That just comes back with more time on the court.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Ha I'm not saying my reality is better than yours or whatever.

Yes you were saying that. This is why you put the word "true" in front of reality. Putting my reality in quotes then denoting "true" in front of what you perceive to be correct proves this. Don't backpedal on that. This is one of the reasons i don't argue with you. You think that what you perceive is always absolute.

[QUOTE=nolaslim213;1051942]I'm just saying that the basis for your argument isn't solid. It's not real. [QUOTE]

The Basis for my argument, as stated 3 to 4 times on this thread is as follows: What Gordon was versus what he is today is not the same. That's it. What's not solid about that? I also stated that I personally don't believe he will get back to what he was. There's nothing not solid about it. It's a prediction based off of what I saw in the past and what i see now. Your prediction is based on what you was in the past . I also said that he had good ball handling for a 2 currently.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

You are saying that Gordon's knee injury is effecting his dribbling ability, and I'm telling you that you are wrong. It's the fact that he has been off the court for a year and a half that is effecting his dribbling ability.

Wrong. I never said that once. Maybe in "true reality" i said that, but in "reality" I did not. I've said the same thing you, and others have said in the thread: (see below)That due to not playing his ball handling is not what it has been. We diverge in the fact that you think it will come back and i think it'll be somewhere in the middle of what it was and what it is now.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Maybe it's still some of the rust he has on him?

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

It comes down to, are we living on his reputation and hope he can get back to where he was or who he is today. I personally believe it's somewhere in the middle.

I've watched Gordon quite a few times this year and i can tell you currently, he is NOT a phenomenal ball handler or passer, esp if you compare him to a 1. Can he do it? In Flashes, but that's all i've seen from him. I hope he gets back to that, trust me, but we will see.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Everything about Gordon is pinned on hope of what he was and what he should be and what they expect him to get back to. I think we're saying the same thing but you expect him to get back to what he was, I expect a better form than he is today but less than he was before.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

And I'm not trying to play this game, but Monty agrees with me.

Yes you are, or you wouldn't have played it. You're not above it because you did it, so don't pretend.
03-15-2013, 03:13 PM
nolaslim213

*sigh*
03-15-2013, 03:46 PM
TrayWithAnA

Eric Gordon to Point Guard?

Why fit a square peg in a round hole if we don't have to?

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