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03-09-2013, 10:36 PM
UNO Gracias

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Sadly, I have to agree... He even found a way to work Vasquez into his post :rolleyes:

In the sense of getting rid of him for his inability to play defense, but I see your point.
03-09-2013, 10:45 PM
UNO Gracias

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

By the way, I see a lot of stereotyping in this thread, but Al Jefferson is a totally decent defender. Last year, his defensive rating was 103, and this year it's 104 - very respectable numbers for an offensively minded big. He also shoots a TS% of 52.3%, which is very respectable/good considering the volume he shoots. His TO% is great (means he doesn't turn the ball over), and his WS/48 is terrific at .150 (even better last year at .173).

My only problem with him is I don't know what we'd do in late game situations with Jefferson, Davis, and Anderson. I can't see us spending on a big man like that who would expect to play late game situations. That's why I like J.J. Hickson, because he can give us great minutes, but wouldn't be in late.

The Jazz sit him in the crunch, and have dropped his minuets every season he has been with them. It's understandable with Millsap, Favors, and Kanter, but the guy is more hype than substance.

So posts David Lock (radio voice of the jazz)
David Locke @Lockedonsports

Jazz defensive rating this year with Al Jefferson off the floor is 96.8. In contrast it is 108.0 with him on the floor.
10:33 PM - 04 Mar 13

Now that's an impact player.;)
03-09-2013, 10:55 PM
Impose

Don't like Jefferson, we really only need a guy around the Jason Smith talent range to round out our front court (for injury insurance.) We desperately need AD to become a legit first option on offense as Gordon is IMO best suited to second option. Would love a Kawhi Leonard clone SF and Mike Conley clone PG:

Mike Conley / Rivers
Eric Gordon / Henry?
Kawhi Leonard / Aminu
AD / Ryno
Lopez / J Smith

That team would beast right now, thats the type of build I hope they go for. Obviously not those exact players, but guys with similar skillsets / athletic ability.
03-09-2013, 11:21 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by Impose

Don't like Jefferson, we really only need a guy around the Jason Smith talent range to round out our front court (for injury insurance.) We desperately need AD to become a legit first option on offense as Gordon is IMO best suited to second option. Would love a Kawhi Leonard clone SF and Mike Conley clone PG:

Mike Conley / Rivers
Eric Gordon / Henry?
Kawhi Leonard / Aminu
AD / Ryno
Lopez / J Smith

That team would beast right now, thats the type of build I hope they go for. Obviously not those exact players, but guys with similar skillsets / athletic ability.

Yeah but hoping Davis will become a 1 scoring option anytime in the near future is a wish and a prayer at this point. It will take through his rookie contract for him to add the needed size/skill to be able to be considered a #1 scoring option IMO. I think Lopez is a fit to be a bench player due to his poor defensive rebounding ability.
03-09-2013, 11:26 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

By the way, I see a lot of stereotyping in this thread, but Al Jefferson is a totally decent defender. Last year, his defensive rating was 103, and this year it's 104 - very respectable numbers for an offensively minded big. He also shoots a TS% of 52.3%, which is very respectable/good considering the volume he shoots. His TO% is great (means he doesn't turn the ball over), and his WS/48 is terrific at .150 (even better last year at .173).

My only problem with him is I don't know what we'd do in late game situations with Jefferson, Davis, and Anderson. I can't see us spending on a big man like that who would expect to play late game situations. That's why I like J.J. Hickson, because he can give us great minutes, but wouldn't be in late.

I'm not sure what you do there as well, but i'd assume you'd ride the hot hand between Anderson/ Jefferson or if you're playing a Bynum/Dwight you just stay w Davis and Jeff.
03-09-2013, 11:26 PM
donato

I think we can do better. Be patient.
03-10-2013, 08:57 AM
Kibner

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

By the way, I see a lot of stereotyping in this thread, but Al Jefferson is a totally decent defender. Last year, his defensive rating was 103, and this year it's 104 - very respectable numbers for an offensively minded big.

No, DRTG is a bad stat to use when gaging individual defensive competence (there is no good individual defensive stat, btw). He is real super bad at help defense. He rotates terribly and doesn't challenge the shot of people going to the rim. He is almost Amare bad at defense.
03-10-2013, 02:01 PM
speedyG

I wouldnt mind him but I dont think he will be worth the $$ he will probably get
03-10-2013, 02:05 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by donato

I think we can do better. Be patient.

Agree 100%
03-10-2013, 02:11 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by donato

I think we can do better. Be patient.

That's cool. I'm not saying we should, just think he fixes a lot of things we're struggling with. His defense is a concern though.
03-11-2013, 12:12 PM
hornetsfan1970

I am a Big Fan of Big Al, since i watch him play in High school in Mississippi. I think the best way is to Sign and trade deal for Big Al, get rid of Eric Gordon and Lopez for Al and Milsap, Next Trade jason Smith to PHX for Duley
03-11-2013, 12:13 PM
hornetsfan1970

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

That's cool. I'm not saying we should, just think he fixes a lot of things we're struggling with. His defense is a concern though.

I agree but he will learn under Monty.
03-11-2013, 12:15 PM
hornetsfan1970

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Originally Posted by Impose

Don't like Jefferson, we really only need a guy around the Jason Smith talent range to round out our front court (for injury insurance.) We desperately need AD to become a legit first option on offense as Gordon is IMO best suited to second option. Would love a Kawhi Leonard clone SF and Mike Conley clone PG:

Mike Conley / Rivers
Eric Gordon / Henry?
Kawhi Leonard / Aminu
AD / Ryno
Lopez / J Smith

That team would beast right now, thats the type of build I hope they go for. Obviously not those exact players, but guys with similar skillsets / athletic ability.

We will Never get Leonard ( hope i am wrong) But Spuds love his game!! We need to get rid of lopez!!
03-11-2013, 01:32 PM
GeauxPelicans

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Originally Posted by hornetsfan1970

I am a Big Fan of Big Al, since i watch him play in High school in Mississippi. I think the best way is to Sign and trade deal for Big Al, get rid of Eric Gordon and Lopez for Al and Milsap, Next Trade jason Smith to PHX for Duley

Al and Milsap? Then what do we do with the face of our franchise? Bring him off the bench?
03-11-2013, 02:59 PM
hornetsfan1970

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Al and Milsap? Then what do we do with the face of our franchise? Bring him off the bench?

No, Davis is the face here. But with Al in the Middle with a post Game and davis hitting the boards. milsap will come off the bench at the #3 spot!
03-11-2013, 03:26 PM
Emilio

Millsap? there are better ways to spend our money. Besides, I don't think it would be wise to pay him what he is going to command just to bring him off the bench. We already have Anderson who fills the scoring 6th man role just fine.
03-11-2013, 07:48 PM
speedyG

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Originally Posted by hornetsfan1970

I am a Big Fan of Big Al, since i watch him play in High school in Mississippi. I think the best way is to Sign and trade deal for Big Al, get rid of Eric Gordon and Lopez for Al and Milsap, Next Trade jason Smith to PHX for Duley

I would love if we got Dudley on this team, perfect floor spacer and role player

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