Since everyone else is doing it.... (Gordon Trade Idea)

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02-15-2013, 08:26 AM
WhoDatPelican

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

http://www.teamvalkyrieftw.com/wp-co...point_gif1.gif

There are literally like 8 trade threads on the 1st page alone....

I wonder what would happen IF we actually traded GV and Gordon? What would everyone talk about.....
02-15-2013, 08:27 AM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Golden State wouldn't do it.

Never, ever.

Also, CP3 is not coming back here.
02-15-2013, 08:28 AM
Pelicans78

Its not a bad trade and much better than the other trades, but I'm not sure I would do it. I hate giving up Aminu's defense and rebounding and he's still really young. Barnes is ok, but he won't be an elite defender like Aminu and I don't think he will be anything more than a spot up shooter offensively. Thompson has nice potential as well. Its not a bad trade at all and Thompson and Barnes could be good starters. But that means we have to get an elite PG like CP3, otherwise this roster won't be great long-term.

I think CP3 didn't sign right away because he can get way more from the Clippers if he waits till this offseason to sign. He can get 5 years 100+million if he signs this offseason. It wasn't possible signing before then.
02-15-2013, 08:33 AM
Purple Haze

That said, I would do backflips down the crescent city connection if we could pull this off.
02-15-2013, 08:39 AM
Miss_318

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Originally Posted by jdmcuc

Ive seen people say Gordon has a bad attitude. I dont understand why people would say that..

Gordon has a sense of entitlement but doesn't have the resume to back it up. He wants everything to be about him. He's been that way since college.

Crying about getting a 4y max instead of a 5y max....complaining that the team didn't consult you on what players you were getting to build around him, even though you've only played 9 games for us during last season, and still even now can't stay healthy.

That means you feeling yourself way too much. He really thinks he's on a level with the LeBrons, Kobe, KD type of player and thats his problem. He has to put in the work, play thru pain and do anything for his team to win before he can be demanding or even sulk. All of those guys have put in the time and effort but he hasn't he wants it handed to him.
02-15-2013, 08:52 AM
Purple Haze

So many people are going to be mad when

1. Nothing happens at the TD.

2. We simply draft BPA on the draft.

3. We only sign one small piece FA. :hihi:
02-15-2013, 09:02 AM
Deuce06

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

http://www.teamvalkyrieftw.com/wp-co...point_gif1.gif

Yea, this GIF pretty much sums this up....One of the worst trades I've seen.
02-15-2013, 09:02 AM
Inner_GI

Boy, if Demps pulled this off, I'd finally buy the "In Demps we Trust Shirt." This would be crazy.

I think this a good deal even without the crazy CPME talk. I'd love to get Thompson and Barnes for Gordon, but I think we are more likely to only get one.
02-15-2013, 09:03 AM
Inner_GI

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

Yea, this GIF pretty much sums this up....One of the worst trades I've seen.

Are you saying, you don't think getting Thompson and Barnes back for Gordon is good? Disregard the crazy talk about CP3. If we got that much value back from GS for Gordon, it would crazy.

I value Gordon's trade value as 2 rolls of used toilet paper.
02-15-2013, 09:05 AM
Inner_GI

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Its not a bad trade and much better than the other trades, but I'm not sure I would do it. I hate giving up Aminu's defense and rebounding and he's still really young. Barnes is ok, but he won't be an elite defender like Aminu and I don't think he will be anything more than a spot up shooter offensively. Thompson has nice potential as well. Its not a bad trade at all and Thompson and Barnes could be good starters. But that means we have to get an elite PG like CP3, otherwise this roster won't be great long-term.

I think CP3 didn't sign right away because he can get way more from the Clippers if he waits till this offseason to sign. He can get 5 years 100+million if he signs this offseason. It wasn't possible signing before then.

He can't get 5 years, Griffen got the 5 year deal. Unless I misunderstand the CBA, which is highly likely.

Also, i think Barnes can be turned into a good defender by Monty.
02-15-2013, 09:10 AM
Deuce06

Haha let me recap...because maybe I'm missing something...We are going to trade Aminu for someone that is a wing not known for scoring, but with athleticism and can become a beast defensively....So we are trading Aminu for Aminu lite. We are trading Gordon who has been a 20ppg scorer when healthy for someone that we think can potentially score 20 even though he isnt shooting well at this point. Give away our first round pick as well.....all for the POTENTIAL that we can sign Chris Paul because you buy into everything that he has been saying. SIGN ME UP! LOL...This is what I consider a perfect example of a YOLO-GM
02-15-2013, 09:15 AM
Inner_GI

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

Haha let me recap...because maybe I'm missing something...We are going to trade Aminu for someone that is a wing not known for scoring, but with athleticism and can become a beast defensively....So we are trading Aminu for Aminu lite. We are trading Gordon who has been a 20ppg scorer when healthy for someone that we think can potentially score 20 even though he isnt shooting well at this point. Give away our first round pick as well.....all for the POTENTIAL that we can sign Chris Paul because you buy into everything that he has been saying. SIGN ME UP! LOL...This is what I consider a perfect example of a YOLO-GM

Bold says it all. Can't have a 58 million dollar contract on the books if he only plays 45-60 games a year. I'd trade Gordon for almost anything, now.... sprained hand... Mr. Glass!
02-15-2013, 09:24 AM
Deuce06

I definitely understand the health concerns but instead of moving all of those pieces to pretty much remain stagnant and lose a pick, we would do better off holding on to them and drafting someone like Marcus Smart who is the same size and stature, can play both guard positions, shoot and attack...Much the same way that we envisioned Gordon. This would provide us with another scorer and more depth than if traded away 2 starters to get 2 fringe players and losing a pick. (I think I saw Diop in the proposed trade but we already have a logjam for minutes with our big guys so adding him wouldnt be the best idea.)
02-15-2013, 09:31 AM
BallSoHard

Since everyone else is doing it.... (Gordon Trade Idea)

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

He can't get 5 years, Griffen got the 5 year deal. Unless I misunderstand the CBA, which is highly likely.

I think this is right.
02-15-2013, 09:31 AM
Eman5805

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

So many people are going to be mad when

1. Nothing happens at the TD.

2. We simply draft BPA on the draft.

3. We only sign one small piece FA. :hihi:

I don't think #2 would make anyone mad unless we take someone they didn't want us to take. And #3 would only get people upset if we were never mentioned as even targeting Iggy or whoever is available.
02-15-2013, 09:31 AM
BallSoHard

Since everyone else is doing it.... (Gordon Trade Idea)

Now until the trade deadline is usually when I meander to the sim league forums and and not heard of until it passes.
02-15-2013, 09:46 AM
HornetGuru

just like Nola said, klay is very overrated, he shoots a low percentage and is absolutely terrible on defense, i dont think this trade would be as hard as we think it is to get done. if I was golden state i would do it in a heart beat, curry and gordon is just too awesome. Then if I was the hornets id package a klay thompson lopez deal and get a beast center
02-15-2013, 09:50 AM
IamQuailman

Why the hell would Charlotte take this if this pick is lottery protected?
02-15-2013, 09:52 AM
BallSoHard

Since everyone else is doing it.... (Gordon Trade Idea)

If he's so overrated why is everyone trying to trade for him. SMH
02-15-2013, 09:54 AM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

If he's so overrated why is everyone trying to trade for him. SMH

hes not overrated, he just cant stay healthy
02-15-2013, 10:05 AM
Eman5805

For someone to be overrated a lot of people have to think he's better than you think he is. Who are these people that are saying Klay is really good?
02-15-2013, 11:17 AM
GeauxPelicans

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

He can't get 5 years, Griffen got the 5 year deal. Unless I misunderstand the CBA, which is highly likely.

Also, i think Barnes can be turned into a good defender by Monty.

You are only allowed one 5 year contract per team, that is a 100% fact, and Monty could help Barnes immensely.

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

Haha let me recap...because maybe I'm missing something...We are going to trade Aminu for someone that is a wing not known for scoring, but with athleticism and can become a beast defensively....So we are trading Aminu for Aminu lite. We are trading Gordon who has been a 20ppg scorer when healthy for someone that we think can potentially score 20 even though he isnt shooting well at this point. Give away our first round pick as well.....all for the POTENTIAL that we can sign Chris Paul because you buy into everything that he has been saying. SIGN ME UP! LOL...This is what I consider a perfect example of a YOLO-GM

This isn't even close to being true. Barnes can actually hit a jumpshot, so he'll open up more space down low for Davis/Lopez. We'd lose rebounding, and defense but I'd be willing to do this deal. Thompson and Barnes are both scorers and this team needs that pretty badly.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

just like Nola said, klay is very overrated, he shoots a low percentage and is absolutely terrible on defense, i dont think this trade would be as hard as we think it is to get done. if I was golden state i would do it in a heart beat, curry and gordon is just too awesome. Then if I was the hornets id package a klay thompson lopez deal and get a beast center

I'm pretty sure we drafted our beast center in last years draft. If they don't plan on eventually playing Davis at the 5, then there was absolutely no reason to sign Anderson because he can only play the 4.
02-15-2013, 12:44 PM
42

You can have 2 designated players, but you can only offer one when you have none on your team.

Chris Paul can be signed to a 5 years deal via Bird Rights provided he stays with the Clippers. He can't get the 5 years with any other team. This doesn't get into that designated player thing. That is more for people coming off rookie deals it seems.

Remember, the new CBA has mechanisms to help teams keep their players. This is one.
02-15-2013, 12:46 PM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by 42

You can have 2 designated players, but you can only offer one when you have none on your team.

Chris Paul can be signed to a 5 years deal via Bird Rights provided he stays with the Clippers. He can't get the 5 years with any other team. This doesn't get into that designated player thing. That is more for people coming off rookie deals it seems.

Remember, the new CBA has mechanisms to help teams keep their players. This is one.

Thank you.
02-15-2013, 12:50 PM
nolaslim213

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Originally Posted by jgman

And if this is true why do we do this trade? Is the whole point to make us more attractive to CP? Because This is ridiculous if you are suggesting we should blow up our entire trade with the clippers giving away Gordon and Aminu for what you yourself have described as "nothing but potential," meant in a negative way it seems in your post, to get a chance to get Chris Paul back.

Because not only do we get 2 young "potential" players who can stretch the floor from day 1, but we also get extreme cap relief, which allows us to offer CP the max.

A straight up swap of Gordon for Klay and Barnes is NOT great value for us. Gordon is far and away the best player in that deal, and it's not even close. However, Gordon has injury issues, which GS has proven to not care about (Curry, Lee, and Bogut). The way you have to look at it is: Gordon and Aminu for Klay, Barnes, AND Chris Paul (who we are now able to sign after we open up cap space).

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Its not a bad trade and much better than the other trades, but I'm not sure I would do it. I hate giving up Aminu's defense and rebounding and he's still really young. Barnes is ok, but he won't be an elite defender like Aminu and I don't think he will be anything more than a spot up shooter offensively. Thompson has nice potential as well. Its not a bad trade at all and Thompson and Barnes could be good starters. But that means we have to get an elite PG like CP3, otherwise this roster won't be great long-term.

I think CP3 didn't sign right away because he can get way more from the Clippers if he waits till this offseason to sign. He can get 5 years 100+million if he signs this offseason. It wasn't possible signing before then.

Thanks. Like I said above, it's not fair value for us on the nose. However, the cap space is the kicker, which allows us to sign CP. Gordon and Aminu for Klay, Barnes, and CP is a pretty sweet deal IMO.

I think for a guy like Chris Paul, winning comes before money. We're only talking about a few million that he is missing out per year, which to a guy on a max contract, that isn't going to make or break him. I think Chris Paul held out of signing because he wanted to see how they do this year in the playoffs. If they are out by the 2nd round, he is definitely gone. That's the kicker. If they win a championship (which they won't do), then he will definitely stay. If not, I think we have a very good chance to sign him in FA.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

If he's so overrated why is everyone trying to trade for him. SMH

Because he can turn into an elite role player. He needs someone to create for him, and Chris Paul can turn him into a really good player. Same with Barnes. Neither can create off the dribble for themselves, but they can both be elite role players.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

For someone to be overrated a lot of people have to think he's better than you think he is. Who are these people that are saying Klay is really good?

Some people on here think he is the 2nd coming of Michael Jordan because he has 1 good half against us :rolleyes:

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