Trade Idea - Harrison Barnes - Eric Gordon

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

Am I the only one not infatuated with Pekovic?

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No, I'm not that interested. I'm definitely more interested in up grades at the 1/3 spots. We already have 4 big men, and the face of our franchise isn't even playing 20+ min a night every night, so I'm on board with no more big men.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

What complete roster do u like better? The clippers maybe but id still say warriors
Also the warriors arent scared of injury prone players, they gave curry a huge deal, and traded for Bogut.

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If you mean from a depth perception yeah it's a really strong roster. If you mean from contending roster no it's not close. Denver has been team oriented, deep bench team for a few years now and can't (and probably never as currently constructed) make a deep run.

IMO Klay Thompson is a much better fit for Curry than Gordon. In addition to the fact that 3 of players of that starting five can't stay healthy.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

This isn't even close to the best roster in the league. Not to mention your backcourt is due to miss 20-30 a piece games a season.

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Not even close? You're flat out wrong. That roster is sick.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

If you mean from a depth perception yeah it's a really strong roster. If you mean from contending roster no it's not close. Denver has been team oriented, deep bench team for a few years now and can't (and probably never as currently constructed) make a deep run.

IMO Klay Thompson is a much better fit for Curry than Gordon. In addition to the fact that 3 of players of that starting five can't stay healthy.

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Yes I was talking about total depth, and I think gordon is a better fit, curry is a shooter, gordon is a driver, they compliment each other perfectly, and gordon's defense is incredible, klay's defense is atrocious.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

If you mean from a depth perception yeah it's a really strong roster. If you mean from contending roster no it's not close. Denver has been team oriented, deep bench team for a few years now and can't (and probably never as currently constructed) make a deep run.

IMO Klay Thompson is a much better fit for Curry than Gordon. In addition to the fact that 3 of players of that starting five can't stay healthy.

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da Throne stop being logical, we just want to get rid of Gordon, okay. Can't we just agree on that. The next sucker of a team that offers more than used toilet paper gets Gordon in my opinion.

Personally, I'd rather have a bad team with a bunch of cap space, then having a bad team with a "star" that could make this team good to great that can't play if he cut his fingernails too short. Not to mention the 58 million dollars.

Doesn't make sense. We have no reason to be forced to trade him right now. Unless he sustains another terrible injury I don't think his value goes any further south. I've always said we need to wait another year to see what happens.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Doesn't make sense. We have no reason to be forced to trade him right now. Unless he sustains another terrible injury I don't think his value goes any further south. I've always said we need to wait another year to see what happens.

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I can tell you what happens. He gets a papercut between his toes, and can't play for 3 weeks. Book it. Start of next year he won't be dressing in Pelicans gear either because of injury or trade.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I can tell you what happens. He gets a papercut between his toes, and can't play for 3 weeks. Book it. Start of next year he won't be dressing in Pelicans gear either because of injury or trade.

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I'd bet against you, but it would be a bad bet. I'm just saying, if holding on to him possibly nets you equal or greater value, then I'd hold on to him.

I still think there is a chance his value goes even lower than it is now. Could you imagine if we trade Gordon going into the offseason with well over 20M in cap space. We can grab whoever we wanted.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I still think there is a chance his value goes even lower than it is now. Could you imagine if we trade Gordon going into the offseason with well over 20M in cap space. We can grab whoever we wanted.

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Lets just say that happens. Who on the market is out there that we have a legit shot to sign that will come to us do you want ? Jennings on a max ? Questionable deal. Cp3 and Howard , the only 2 guys that deserve a max won't even look at us (sorry to the cp believes). Iggy? Max , no thanks. Pek for 11-13 a year no thanks.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Lets just say that happens. Who on the market is out there that we have a legit shot to sign that will come to us do you want ? Jennings on a max ? Questionable deal. Cp3 and Howard , the only 2 guys that deserve a max won't even look at us (sorry to the cp believes). Iggy? Max , no thanks. Pek for 11-13 a year no thanks.

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Do we have to hand out a bunch of Max contracts?

A GM has to overpay for what he believes helps him win in the playoffs. You can't continue to offer low ball numbers and expect other teams with cap space to not out bid you. If we go that route, this rebuild will be a 5-8 year process instead of 2-4, until we get super lucky in the draft or free agency with players like Lopez and Anderson, but both of those players don't seem like the "Help me win in the Playoffs type players."

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Lets just say that happens. Who on the market is out there that we have a legit shot to sign that will come to us do you want ? Jennings on a max ? Questionable deal. Cp3 and Howard , the only 2 guys that deserve a max won't even look at us (sorry to the cp believes). Iggy? Max , no thanks. Pek for 11-13 a year no thanks.

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Ha i was about to say something similar. Unless dell was confident he could sign one or two studs in free agency there is not a reason to get rid of gordon. We'd basically be trading down for lesser players atm (and losing a draft pick in this or the next draft). Small markets are better served building through the draft. If we lose Gordon it might also make us a less attractive destination for free agents (as absurd as that sounds). We gotta have some veterans.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Do we have to hand out a bunch of Max contracts?

A GM has to overpay for what he believes helps him win in the playoffs. You can't continue to offer low ball numbers and expect other teams with cap space to not out bid you. If we go that route, this rebuild will be a 5-8 year process instead of 2-4, until we get super lucky in the draft or free agency with players like Lopez and Anderson, but both of those players don't seem like the "Help me win in the Playoffs type players."

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That's what in asking. Name a difference maker in this class that we have a legit shot at acquiring thats a "Help me win in the Playoffs type players". that we won't have to grossly overpay for ? If we can't find one, then what point is there to get rid of Gordon for nothing this year.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Ha i was about to say something similar. Unless dell was confident he could sign one or two studs in free agency there is not a reason to get rid of gordon. We'd basically be trading down for lesser players atm (and losing a draft pick in this or the next draft). Small markets are better served building through the draft. If we lose Gordon it might also make us a less attractive destination for free agents (as absurd as that sounds). We gotta have some veterans.

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The reason to get rid of Gordon is his injury woes and his 58 million dollar contract. Do you like have a "star" player play 40 games and get paid 58 million dollars?


Last year Gordon with a salary of $3,831,184 made $12,358.66/MIN

This year with a salary of $13,668,750 aggregated to 65%(amount of season completed so far) is $8,884,687.5 or $16,731.99/MIN (531 minutes this year)

That's some bull****.

In contrast. James Harden makes same amount this year as Gordon. He has played 2026 Minutes and makes $6,746.67/MIN

Kobe Bryan makes $27,849,149 this year. Has played 2072 minutes and makes $13,440.71/MIN

Eric Gordon makes more money per Minute played than Kobe Bryant... that's the PROBLEM

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

That's what in asking. Name a difference maker in this class that we have a legit shot at acquiring thats a "Help me win in the Playoffs type players". that we won't have to grossly overpay for ? If we can't find one, then what point is there to get rid of Gordon for nothing this year.

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I don't consider Barnes and Thompson nothing. Too be honest, I think that a steal for us.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Do we have to hand out a bunch of Max contracts?

A GM has to overpay for what he believes helps him win in the playoffs. You can't continue to offer low ball numbers and expect other teams with cap space to not out bid you. If we go that route, this rebuild will be a 5-8 year process instead of 2-4, until we get super lucky in the draft or free agency with players like Lopez and Anderson, but both of those players don't seem like the "Help me win in the Playoffs type players."

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True but we have a solid core of players. We would still have enough to sign a big time FA even with Gordon. Gordon is a huge risk, but we stand a better chance in games with him and aminu than klay and barne. This trade would make more sense if we were a big market team.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

The reason to get rid of Gordon is his injury woes and his 58 million dollar contract. Do you like have a "star" player play 40 games and get paid 58 million dollars?


Last year Gordon with a salary of $3,831,184 made $12,358.66/MIN

This year with a salary of $13,668,750 aggregated to 65%(amount of season completed so far) is $8,884,687.5 or $16,669.21/MIN (533 minutes this year)

That's some bull****.



I don't consider Barnes and Thompson nothing. Too be honest, I think that a steal for us.

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I don't consider Barnes and Thompson on the table for a trade.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

The reason to get rid of Gordon is his injury woes and his 58 million dollar contract. Do you like have a "star" player play 40 games and get paid 58 million dollars?


Last year Gordon with a salary of $3,831,184 made $12,358.66/MIN

This year with a salary of $13,668,750 aggregated to 65%(amount of season completed so far) is $8,834,679.88 or $16,575.38/MIN (533 minutes this year)

That's some bull****.



I don't consider Barnes and Thompson nothing. Too be honest, I think that a steal for us.

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I understand your view completely. Getting rid of him now for these players whilst losing a draft pick is a potential step backwards. Everyone has a reason to be bitter with Gordon, but if we can get better value from him or he can get it together im willing to take that chance. I dont despise this trade; i just think its jumping the gun. Its one of those trades that can go either way really bc i could see both of these players being very good some day.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

True but we have a solid core of players. We would still have enough to sign a big time FA even with Gordon. Gordon is a huge risk, but we stand a better chance in games with him and aminu than klay and barne. This trade would make more sense if we were a big market team.

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So for 40 games a year we have a chance? I'm tired of the guy. The guy had a sprained hand, and couldn't even be present on the bench or locker room?

Please.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I understand your view completely. Getting rid of him now for these players whilst losing a draft pick is a potential step backwards. Everyone has a reason to be bitter with Gordon, but if we can get better value from him or he can get it together im willing to take that chance. I dont despise this trade; i just think its jumping the gun. Its one of those trades that can go either way really bc i could see both of these players being very good some day.

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JJack, you make too much sense my dude. I sometimes think people want the Hornets to be a NBAD team. We just teach young guys NBA skills and when we think their trade value is at its highest, trade them for the next big name out there. Then we're back at square one. I see trades for Pek who is not an upgrade in my opinion. There are several Aminu trades for guys that are not even upgrades. That is crazy to me. Are we trying to get better or just fill our roster with popular named players? If we're not getting an impact player that can contribute today and make us better, it makes no sense to trade Gordon. The future is now. I'd rather build through the draft and add free agents to our core players.

They can keep klay and we will keep our pick. All I want is barnes

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

So for 40 games a year we have a chance? I'm tired of the guy. The guy had a sprained hand, and couldn't even be present on the bench or locker room?

Please.

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You guys keep killing him for not being on the bench. Kill him for the injuries. I get it, but as I've said before, I'm pretty sure he was either told or it was cleared by our management team. I think our fans have been completely off base about that assertion . Just like the rehab thing where People were pissed about him not staying here and it was later revealed that Dell allegedly was the one who told him to go. Not many of us have any blue what is and isn't being said behind closed doors.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

They can keep klay and we will keep our pick. All I want is barnes

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Why? He's not a special talent. Won't be able to create his own shot. He can be solid defensively, but really he's a good complimentary player. Not anything more.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Why? He's not a special talent. Won't be able to create his own shot. He can be solid defensively, but really he's a good complimentary player. Not anything more.

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Most certainly is a special talent and he can create well enough, people like paul george arent great at creating but decent enough, he's actualy having a better season than george did his rookie year and on par with george's 2nd year, plus like i said im hoping to draft shabazz or mclemore who can create for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Why? He's not a special talent. Won't be able to create his own shot. He can be solid defensively, but really he's a good complimentary player. Not anything more.

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Any players you would be more interesting in us pursuing?

Guru this is one of the better trade ideas you've come up with. I don't wanna lose Aminu, but I would take this trade. I just love the zombie look on his face and yelling "BIG CHIIIEEEFFF" every time he dunks.