2022 NBA Draft Lottery

From what I have gathered, the Pels board on Thursday will end up looking something like

1. Smith
2. Chet
3. Paolo
4. Murray
5. Ivey
6. Daniels
7. Mathurin


8-11 in some order: Dieng, Sharpe, Griffin, Sochan

No clue how those final 4 are gonna fall. But I am extremely confident that is their top 6 in some order and Mathurin is 7

Not sure how much I believe the Stein report saying the Pels are looking for win now compensation considering the effort they have put into scouting these prospects

You don’t look into the prospects just to take them. The smart teams spend as much time as possible with as many guys as possible, knowing that almost all of them will have a second and third NBA team. You are getting to know them for when you have a chance to get them in 2027

You’d agree with my overarching point, though, that the “win now” point is misleading. At least, based on what I’ve heard

I mean, if you trade a pick and an NBA player comes back as part of the return, you can label it as “win now” because almost any NBA player will help more than a 19 yr old

They have had feeler convos involving J Grant, Collins, and a few other guys. But even if you do 8 for Dort and 12, simpletons will label it “win now”

It’s a broad term that I have always hated because it implies just now, not later also. Hate it

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

The crazy one who could be there is Murray. Sharpe and Daniels are the current hot trade up candidates. In a world where Ivey goes 4 and Mathurin 5, what if teams trade up to 6 and 7 for Daniels and Sharpe?

All of a sudden Murray is there

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Griff snaps his quad running the card up to Silver. At least I would.

He could talk to Demps about rehab process lol

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I mean, if you trade a pick and an NBA player comes back as part of the return, you can label it as “win now” because almost any NBA player will help more than a 19 yr old

They have had feeler convos involving J Grant, Collins, and a few other guys. But even if you do 8 for Dort and 12, simpletons will label it “win now”

It’s a broad term that I have always hated because it implies just now, not later also. Hate it

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Yep agreed. Well said

I’m not a big Sochan guy, but I do think coming out of this draft with Sochan and Dort would be a pretty big win

And I understand that Dort is on an expiring, but worst case scenario he bridges the gap so Trey, Kira, and Sochan can develop and he helps the Pels continue to grow a defensive identity

If the offer is 12 and Dort, I am sure you can scour the league for a few teams that really like Dort and can get the asset that way. Heck, I bet NY would happily give up that 2023 Mavs pick for him, which is what I would ask for to move up from 11

The question for me is: How do you create a bidding war for 8?

OKC wants Sharpe, but who else does? I actually think Duren is the guy you get teams competing for. I could see the Spurs, Wiz, Knicks and Charlotte all having interest. Hope he is working out and interviewing well to create that leverage

Yea that’s fair. What are the rules on a mid season trade involving Dort?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Lol - If Daniels is there, they will SPRINT the card up to Silver

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Maybe, but I think the only one worth SPRINTING up to the podium for is Murray if he drops. Personally I think we'll see the following play out:

top three what everyone is predicting.

Sac trades their pick and moves down, a Pacers flip makes the most sense.

Pacers take Ivey.

Detroit takes Mathurnin (I hear they really liked him, unless it's a smokescreen, but it may be why he cancelled his visit to us)

Sac takes Murray.

Portland either takes Daniels or trades it to a team who wants either Daniels or Sharpe.

Like you said we might then take Daniels or trade down if we can stay within a range Griff is comfortable with.

I think if we have to choose between Sharpe or Sochan or Griffin, (without any trade down partners), I think we take Sochan.

Sochan just ticks off too many boxes that Griffin seems to be coveting, demonstrably high basketball iq, competitiveness, good size for a wing, good athleticism, can come straight in and help with out perimeter defense. If they think his three point shot has promise then I think Griffin is going to fall too hard for this guy to pass up. And the icing on the cake is that I bet Griffin is going to think that the guy's goofiness is going to fit in well with the locker room.

I'm not saying it's necessarily the right pick, I just see Griffin falling in love with this guy.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

The question for me is: How do you create a bidding war for 8?

OKC wants Sharpe, but who else does? I actually think Duren is the guy you get teams competing for. I could see the Spurs, Wiz, Knicks and Charlotte all having interest. Hope he is working out and interviewing well to create that leverage

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Curious...assuming they want him...do the Pels have reasonable expectations that Sochan would be available at the 12 spot if they traded down? I like Sochan a bunch for the Pels but I can understand where he would be the type player that many teams would not really see as a "fit" for them, especially in the top 12 of the draft.

I’m pretty confident based on what I was told that they think 8 is too high for Sochan. Don’t know about their feelings on Griffin

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

I’m pretty confident based on what I was told that they think 8 is too high for Sochan. Don’t know about their feelings on Griffin

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It's why I think they'll look to trade down with an eye on staying within a range that they'll think he'll be available and a spot that's more in line with his value.

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Kentucky's Shaedon Sharpe Before NBA Draft: I See Myself as 1 of Basketball's GOATs

Five days away from the 2022 NBA draft, Shaedon Sharpe certainly isn't lacking confidence.

Speaking to reporters Saturday, Sharpe said he sees himself "as one of the greatest players to ever play the game of basketball."

That level of belief in himself has clearly served Sharpe well in his life thus far. The 19-year-old is expected to be one of the first players selected in the draft Thursday.

B/R's Jonathan Wasserman has Sharpe projected to be selected No. 8 overall by the New Orleans Pelicans in his latest mock draft but noted he could potentially go in the top four.

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ketballs-goats

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

It's why I think they'll look to trade down with an eye on staying within a range that they'll think he'll be available and a spot that's more in line with his value.

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This is why I just take the guy that most teams I am willing to trade with wants and I wait for the pick they have and I negotiate then, depending on if a guy I love is there or not.

I dont trade blind unless the number of guys I love matches the number of picks I have to move down.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If the offer is 12 and Dort, I am sure you can scour the league for a few teams that really like Dort and can get the asset that way. Heck, I bet NY would happily give up that 2023 Mavs pick for him, which is what I would ask for to move up from 11

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That 2023 Mavs pick has almost no value. Don't know why you keep mentioning it as an asset we should want. 1 year of Dort has way more value than that pick.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ketballs-goats

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The guy is crazy talented and athletic. But give me a break.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

This is why I just take the guy that most teams I am willing to trade with wants and I wait for the pick they have and I negotiate then, depending on if a guy I love is there or not.

I dont trade blind unless the number of guys I love matches the number of picks I have to move down.

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It seems the Pels have expressed interest in Griffin, Branham, and Sochan is there a 4th guy they’ve worked out? Did they work out either JohnnyDavis or Dieng?

So assuming OKC is interested in Sharpe and he falls to us, are you comfortable enough with this group to pull the trigger and swap with OKC and what do you want in return?

Sochan being the 8th pick has +10000 odds. Are we sure the Pels wouldn't take him at 8? Because I'm tempted to put that money down lol

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Sochan being the 8th pick has +10000 odds. Are we sure the Pels wouldn't take him at 8? Because I'm tempted to put that money down lol

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I think it’s more likely that Griffin would take Sochan at 8 than Sharpe. It’s one of the reasons I wish Griffin would stop giving interviews, he always says and reveals too much.

Dort and 12 to Portland looks likely to be the trade OKC makes and Sharpe would be gone before the Pelicans pick.

Someone at 4 picks Ivy (possible Kings trade)
Detroit takes Mathurin at 5
Pacers happily take Murray at 6.

Starting to feel like Daniels will be a Pelican at 8.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

This is why I just take the guy that most teams I am willing to trade with wants and I wait for the pick they have and I negotiate then, depending on if a guy I love is there or not.

I dont trade blind unless the number of guys I love matches the number of picks I have to move down.

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This is what I also believe. So if you guys tune into the draft, don't turn it off after the Pels pick at 8, there may still be something in play.

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Originally Posted by redrum

This is what I also believe. So if you guys tune into the draft, don't turn it off after the Pels pick at 8, there may still be something in play.

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You don't want to find how much cash $$$ the Pel's make on their 2nd rounders?

Daniels or Mathurin will be a Pelican

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Daniels or Mathurin will be a Pelican

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Did you hear it through a grapevine?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Daniels or Mathurin will be a Pelican

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Unless they both get drafted before 8. I think one of them will get taken but not both. But we'll see.

Would you?

Pels 8th + Hayes for Hornets 15th+ PJ Washington. Pels select Ogbaji @ 15.

Pels opening depth chart:

McCollum/Alvarado/Kira
Jones/Ogbaji/Graham
Ingram/Murphy/Naji
Zion/Washington/2nd rd pick or FA
Jonas/Nance Jr./Billy

And when you have to pay Washington 4/70 to keep him? Happy to do that for a backup 4?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

And when you have to pay Washington 4/70 to keep him? Happy to do that for a backup 4?

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Right. Only way that trade makes financial sense is if Zion is getting traded too, then PJ can start at 4.

I dont know how many times it will have to be said this offseason, but you cant just keep adding players. You cant, or better yet I should say you shouldnt, have 15 good players on a roster - all of whom want playing time and will get significantly paid. On top of that, all smart teams do some buying low, not just always buying knowns. And we have a great buy low guy on our own roster named Devonte Graham. Kira is a great buy low now as well. You dont always have to go get them. Kevin Love was a great self buy low last year.

This team should draft at 8 and lose Snell. Thats it. Maybe you dump or waive Temple and add a buy low guy and see if his hunger to get back can give you something this year. Like a Denzel Valentine or a Cody Zeller or a Semi Ojeleye, etc. on a minimum deal. But you cant overstate the fact that you are adding a high usage 27+ ppg scorer to the mix. THATS the change this offseason. Keep everything else stable.

Here’s my final mock, I know someone will jump into the top 8 that isn’t on my list (my money is on AJ Griffin at 7 over Sharpe) but here’s my list.

1. Magic - Jabari Smith
2. Thunder - Chet Holmgren
3. Rockets - Paolo Banchero
4. Kings - Keegan Muray
5. Pistons - Jaden Ivey
6. Pacers - Benedict Mathurin
7. Blazers - Shaedon Sharpe
8. Pelicans - Dyson Daniels

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I dont know how many times it will have to be said this offseason, but you cant just keep adding players. You cant, or better yet I should say you shouldnt, have 15 good players on a roster - all of whom want playing time and will get significantly paid. On top of that, all smart teams do some buying low, not just always buying knowns. And we have a great buy low guy on our own roster named Devonte Graham. Kira is a great buy low now as well. You dont always have to go get them. Kevin Love was a great self buy low last year.

This team should draft at 8 and lose Snell. Thats it. Maybe you dump or waive Temple and add a buy low guy and see if his hunger to get back can give you something this year. Like a Denzel Valentine or a Cody Zeller or a Semi Ojeleye, etc. on a minimum deal. But you cant overstate the fact that you are adding a high usage 27+ ppg scorer to the mix. THATS the change this offseason. Keep everything else stable.

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Agree with this, that’s why I love Daniels or Sochan so much for this team. You have 1 role, go out there and be a dawg on defense and make smart decisions when the ball is rarely in your hands.

Or even for Mathurin. I actually like it better for a guy who doesnt have the strength of defense because he knows that the only way he is gonna do what he loves (shoot the ball) is to play D. So, you build his D into a strength and get the scoring on top of that later. Still want Daniels, but really wont be upset with Mathurin. Just dying to know what they do if both are off the board. Hopefully, we dont find out

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Here’s my final mock, I know someone will jump into the top 8 that isn’t on my list (my money is on AJ Griffin at 7 over Sharpe) but here’s my list.

1. Magic - Jabari Smith
2. Thunder - Chet Holmgren
3. Rockets - Paolo Banchero
4. Kings - Keegan Muray
5. Pistons - Jaden Ivey
6. Pacers - Benedict Mathurin
7. Blazers - Shaedon Sharpe
8. Pelicans - Dyson Daniels

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I honestly have no clue. Supposedly, the Kings are considering Daniels now according to someone I know. I think they just go Ivey and try to convince him, but who knows. Pistons go Mathurin, I keep hearing. I was told that and put it on here before any whispers and those whispers keep getting stronger. If that happens, I would guess Pacers go Murray. At that point, gotta pray for a trade up for Sharpe. If Blazers just grab Daniels there, I am guessing the Pels just take Sharpe and look to trade. They dont wanna take Sochan or Griffin at 8. Maybe Dieng, but imagine the heat they would get to pass on the raw Sharpe for the raw Dieng.

I can’t sway myself one way or the other on Daniels because those Ignite games are hard to watch. For someone who is obviously not a professional scout, I have no idea what I’m watching in those games half the time. And for a player like Daniels, I feel like Ignite was the worst possible team he could play on in order to accentuate his skills because there is so much iso ball and so little spacing. I’m interested to see what you guys think about him, or if we’re collectively just doing the group think thing and trusting there people who know what they’re doing. My friends in the org said it’s even hard for them to really know what they’re watching, but obviously they like him a lot.

I had him as my guy when he wasn’t even a consensus lotto pick. I am an IQ guy and it is so easy to see his IQ on both ends. Put examples in posts way back. Have been told his character and work ethic is fantastic too

My bias is to just bet on that with young kids. Skills improve. Character, work ethic ? Not as much, not until they get humbled

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I honestly have no clue. Supposedly, the Kings are considering Daniels now according to someone I know. I think they just go Ivey and try to convince him, but who knows. Pistons go Mathurin, I keep hearing. I was told that and put it on here before any whispers and those whispers keep getting stronger. If that happens, I would guess Pacers go Murray. At that point, gotta pray for a trade up for Sharpe. If Blazers just grab Daniels there, I am guessing the Pels just take Sharpe and look to trade. They dont wanna take Sochan or Griffin at 8. Maybe Dieng, but imagine the heat they would get to pass on the raw Sharpe for the raw Dieng.

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Interesting updates. I wonder if Kings pass on Ivey at 4 (take Daniels or Murray), would Pistons stick to their Mathurin lock-in or take Ivey as BPA can't miss. Either way, seems like the path to the dream draft of getting one of our top-7 guys, is Sharpe going before Pels pick. OKC - Portland, ya'll should def do that trade!

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Interesting updates. I wonder if Kings pass on Ivey at 4 (take Daniels or Murray), would Pistons stick to their Mathurin lock-in or take Ivey as BPA can't miss. Either way, seems like the path to the dream draft of getting one of our top-7 guys, is Sharpe going before Pels pick. OKC - Portland, ya'll should def do that trade!

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Apparently Thunder are super high on Ivey, so if the Kings pass on him, I can see OKC making a big offer to Detroit to get to 5.

I just don't see Griffin drafting Sharpe. I think it's much more likely they trade down and get Sochan or Griffin.

You can’t get from 12 to 5, even with all those picks

I have actually heard they have talked with Sacto to move down from 2 to 4 if Magic take Chet

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

I just don't see Griffin drafting Sharpe. I think it's much more likely they trade down and get Sochan or Griffin.

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You need to have a partner. You can’t just choose to trade down.

I’d be curious to know what Sacramento would want in addition to John Collins in a trade for 4. 8 for Collins makes some sense, so what could we then package in addition to Collins in order to get 4

There will be no pre-draft trade for the Pelicans; the Pelicans sit back, watch the draft, and pick accordingly. If Sharpe happens to be the obvious pick at 8 (I hope it is), then the Pelicans pick him, are in the catbird seat, and wheel and deal a four year rookie contract (plus extension) for Sharpe for the best possible return (hopefully to include a unconditional first rounder next year.

I've said it before and believe without reservation; the Pelicans are already getting two lottery picks next year before the '22 draft even occurs (Williamson and Lewis Jr.).

Aside to MAC: Any information on where Kira is working out and what restrictions he may be under this summer?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

You need to have a partner. You can’t just choose to trade down.

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If they can't trade down they take Griffin. If Sharpe is available there is a decent chance that OKC will pounce, we move down and take Sochan. They ain't taking Sharpe with the hope they can trade him later. There is no conceivable way that after the Zion drama Griffin takes on Sharpe's ego and his handlers.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

I’d be curious to know what Sacramento would want in addition to John Collins in a trade for 4. 8 for Collins makes some sense, so what could we then package in addition to Collins in order to get 4

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We have talked to Atlanta twice in the past week. I like this idea but Hawks want Daniels or Ivey so I don’t know how much 8 appeals to them unless Daniels is there. And if he is, we want him

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

If they can't trade down they take Griffin. If Sharpe is available there is a decent chance that OKC will pounce, we move down and take Sochan. They ain't taking Sharpe with the hope they can trade him later. There is no conceivable way that after the Zion drama Griffin takes on Sharpe's ego and his handlers.

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I think we would have an understanding with OKC. We would select Sharpe @ 8 and, if Sochan or Dieng is still there at 12, we consummate the trade. If not, we'll simply roll with Sharpe.