Pels Off season thread

I would trade Ingram in an instant if we could get back a really good scorer and a proper 3 and D wing

If neither Ingram or Zion care about defense at the 3/4, that's a real problem

Ingram + Kira + picks for Dame and RoCo somehow

You dont trade Ingram now for two 50 cent pieces. He is the chip you trade eventually for the major upgrade.

If Lillard were available, you would have a better chance getting him with Ingram as the centerpiece than if you had that scorer and 3-and-D guy you are talking about.

While those guys might help you win more regular season games next year (I emphasize might), they dont get you closer to landing the major piece. You keep Ingram until that day comes, and who knows, maybe he develops in areas that compliment Zion

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

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Including Zion?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If Lillard were available, you would have a better chance getting him with Ingram as the centerpiece than if you had that scorer and 3-and-D guy you are talking about.

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That was in the heart of the trade I proposed

Ingram + various pieces for Dame + RoCo

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Including Zion?

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Probably not him but at this rate he may leave on his own when he can unless there is dramatic change. Like Phoenix Suns quick change.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Probably not him but at this rate he may leave on his own when he can unless there is dramatic change. Like Phoenix Suns quick change.

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Everyone should have a price...EVERYONE!!! In the end, his best value to the Pelicans will probably be as a trading chip, IMO.

BTW: Phoenix was not a quick change contrary to your diatribe. The core has been around for four years or longer (Booker - 6 Years, Ayton - 4 years, Bridges - 4 years).

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Everyone should have a price...EVERYONE!!! In the end, his best value to the Pelicans will probably be as a trading chip, IMO.

BTW: Phoenix was not a quick change contrary to your diatribe. The core has been around for four years or longer (Booker - 6 Years, Ayton - 4 years, Bridges - 4 years).

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2 years under GM . First time EVER A TEAM THAT DID NOT MAKE PLAYOFFS LAST SEASON have made Finals this season.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/...e-phoenix-suns


Hell look at Atlanta Hawks have done once they CHANGED COACH

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

You dont trade Ingram now for two 50 cent pieces. He is the chip you trade eventually for the major upgrade.

If Lillard were available, you would have a better chance getting him with Ingram as the centerpiece than if you had that scorer and 3-and-D guy you are talking about.

While those guys might help you win more regular season games next year (I emphasize might), they dont get you closer to landing the major piece. You keep Ingram until that day comes, and who knows, maybe he develops in areas that compliment Zion

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

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Apparently no one can comprehend?

I literally said Ingram and filler for Dame and RoCo

If we didn't have to give up NAW and Jax, that would be fantastic

I'm guessing Portland would start with Ingram, NAW and Jax and various 1sts

I could live with Ingram and NAW and 10 going out

Ingram wallpaper removed off pelicans.com ? Well at least they have new Zion wallpaper

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Ingram wallpaper removed off pelicans.com ? Well at least they have new Zion wallpaper

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Wat

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Apparently no one can comprehend?

I literally said Ingram and filler for Dame and RoCo

If we didn't have to give up NAW and Jax, that would be fantastic

I'm guessing Portland would start with Ingram, NAW and Jax and various 1sts

I could live with Ingram and NAW and 10 going out

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If you go back and read your post I think you will see where the confusion lies. The top part seems like you are saying two.role players would be nice and then you also would be happy with a bigger Lillard package as well

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

First time EVER A TEAM THAT DID NOT MAKE PLAYOFFS LAST SEASON have made Finals this season.

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What about the Lakers just last season???

Edit: They mention that, as well as the Celtics in 2007, and there are probably several other examples.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Apparently no one can comprehend?

I literally said Ingram and filler for Dame and RoCo

If we didn't have to give up NAW and Jax, that would be fantastic

I'm guessing Portland would start with Ingram, NAW and Jax and various 1sts

I could live with Ingram and NAW and 10 going out

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No I am saying I agree with his logic, wasn’t saying I did not understand or agree with yours. I don’t think you’re comprehending me. And I say that respectfully

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Apparently no one can comprehend?

I literally said Ingram and filler for Dame and RoCo

If we didn't have to give up NAW and Jax, that would be fantastic

I'm guessing Portland would start with Ingram, NAW and Jax and various 1sts

I could live with Ingram and NAW and 10 going out

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Dame and RoCo would be fantastic, both would fit around Zion extremely well, especially RoCo for the types of players I want around Zion

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Originally Posted by donato

What about the Lakers just last season???

Edit: They mention that, as well as the Celtics in 2007, and there are probably several other examples.

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DavisGate thanks for reminding me. Lebron now recruiting Dame. Now on that note If you want to use the 10 year plan look at them(Suns) now look at us(Pelicans). One is going to the Finals the other may lose its 3rd hall of famer in 10 years.

2 years ago, the Phoenix Suns finished with the worst record in the West.
Now... they are the 2021 NBA Western Conference Champions! pic.twitter.com/ZcGLusbSCf

— NBA Memes (@NBAMemes) July 1, 2021

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DavisGate thanks for reminding me. Lebron now recruiting Dame. Now on that note If you want to use the 10 year plan look at them(Suns) now look at us(Pelicans). One is going to the Finals the other may lose its 3rd hall of famer in 10 years.

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Seems like sound logic. So, if the FO listens to you we'll go to the finals next year. If not, the Pelicans may lose their 3rd HOF player in 10 years. Also they better hurry up and lose Zion because Chris Paul last wore a Hornets jersey in 2011.

James Jones finally made it to the NBA Finals without LeBron. pic.twitter.com/VYsE3HFIVV

— NBA Memes (@NBAMemes) July 1, 2021

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Everyone should have a price...EVERYONE!!! In the end, his best value to the Pelicans will probably be as a trading chip, IMO.

BTW: Phoenix was not a quick change contrary to your diatribe. The core has been around for four years or longer (Booker - 6 Years, Ayton - 4 years, Bridges - 4 years).

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3 years for bridges and Ayton. 13-3 for some reason gives James Jones credit for drafting Bridges even though by that point he'd been a non GM executive for all of like 2 days.

Phx definitely has been a mixed bag. Monty, Cam Johnson and Payne were good moves

CP chose PHX and recruited crowder so you cant give much credit there

They got bad value for Warren, but def an argument to be made for addition by subtraction

Dario signing was not so hot

Jalen Smith over Halibuton is yikes and is only going to look worse as time goes on. He was the perfect fit there too.

Definitely an above average record. But the core of the roster has nothing to do with James Jones.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

3 years for bridges and Ayton. 13-3 for some reason gives James Jones credit for drafting Bridges even though by that point he'd been a non GM executive for all of like 2 days.

Phx definitely has been a mixed bag. Monty, Cam Johnson and Payne were good moves

CP chose PHX and recruited crowder so you cant give much credit there

They got bad value for Warren, but def an argument to be made for addition by subtraction

Dario signing was not so hot

Jalen Smith over Halibuton is yikes and is only going to look worse as time goes on. He was the perfect fit there too.

Definitely an above average record. But the core of the roster has nothing to do with James Jones.

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

3 years for bridges and Ayton. 13-3 for some reason gives James Jones credit for drafting Bridges even though by that point he'd been a non GM executive for all of like 2 days.

Phx definitely has been a mixed bag. Monty, Cam Johnson and Payne were good moves

CP chose PHX and recruited crowder so you cant give much credit there

They got bad value for Warren, but def an argument to be made for addition by subtraction

Dario signing was not so hot

Jalen Smith over Halibuton is yikes and is only going to look worse as time goes on. He was the perfect fit there too.

Definitely an above average record. But the core of the roster has nothing to do with James Jones.

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https://www.nba.com/news/phoenix-sun...executive-year

Again if you want to use the 5 to 10 year thing look at them. NOW LOOK AT US. ONE IS IN THE FINALS THE OTHER IS ABOUT TO LOSE ITS 3rd hall of famer in 10 years.

Need to strike gold this season.

Don’t want to give Jones credit oh wait lol it gets even better

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...s-front-office

https://arizonasports.com/story/1904...ll-operations/

You’re boy Bowers is going to Finals

Another way to look at it we had the tools and we kicked it to the curb. Yes Dell Demps was much to blame.

Good for the Suns and James Jones, seeing the Heat last year, and the Suns this year turning things around, the level of heat on the chair Griff is sitting in has to be turned up to high at this point. I don?t care if the coach he hires is a first year or a retread, if we don?t make the playoffs next year Griff can kiss grits somewhere else. This team simply can not miss the playoffs and he keeps his job, it would be a horrible message to the fan base.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

https://www.nba.com/news/phoenix-sun...executive-year

Again if you want to use the 5 to 10 year thing look at them. NOW LOOK AT US. ONE IS IN THE FINALS THE OTHER IS ABOUT TO LOSE ITS 3rd hall of famer in 10 years.

Need to strike gold this season.

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Accolades and media don't mean anything. Dennis Lindsey was 2nd in Exec of the year voting and had to step down in Utah. Sean marks was 3rd for being handed Harden and buyout guys I guess???? The Shamet move didn't amount to much.

The media is pretty dumb and just pretty much sees record and doesnt actually think about things so yea you'll need better arguments than bloggers.

The moves speak for themselves as I've outlined them. and definitely grade out as a mixed bag.

And David Griffin finished 2nd in 2015...

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

Accolades and media don't mean anything. Dennis Lindsey was 2nd in Exec of the year voting and had to step down in Utah. Sean marks was 3rd for being handed Harden and buyout guys I guess???? The Shamet move didn't amount to much.

The media is pretty dumb and just pretty much sees record and doesnt actually think about things so yea you'll need better arguments than bloggers.

The moves speak for themselves as I've outlined them. and definitely grade out as a mixed bag.

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You are what your record says you are - Bill Parcells

One team about to lose another superstar

Another team going to the finals.

Tom Thibadeau got coach of the year

Dumb media I guess right.

We going to lose the good assistants out in the field too.

The Lakers are finalizing a deal to hire former Knicks and Grizzlies coach David Fizdale as an assistant coach, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 30, 2021

Fizdale had been pursued for several lead assistant openings this off-season and will now join Frank Vogel’s staff with the Lakers. Fizdale was a longtime Miami Heat assistant who helped coach LeBron James under Erik Spoelstra.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 30, 2021

That’s the least of their worries. The assistants they have now are decent. Well, besides the ones Stan brought. Griff is the big issue. We know that he just hired someone that clearly did not have the same philosophy as he did from the very start. That makes me really concerned about him hiring the next coach. I’m not very confident in his ability to lead this organization.

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That’s the least of their worries. The assistants they have now are decent. Well, besides the ones Stan brought. Griff is the big issue. We know that he just hired someone that clearly did not have the same philosophy as he did from the very start. That makes me really concerned about him hiring the next coach. I’m not very confident in his ability to lead this organization.

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From my understanding listening to reports from those who are connected, Griffin is a lot more hands off of this hire and is delegating it more. Maybe he's learned that he's not the best judge for the coaching decision?

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Originally Posted by donato

What about the Lakers just last season???

Edit: They mention that, as well as the Celtics in 2007, and there are probably several other examples.

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Teams that don't make the playoffs one year always don't make the Finals the next year, other than these many instances when they do.

I?ve heard people talk about trading to get SGA. Just curious, why would OKC let their future superstar go to us?


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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

I?ve heard people talk about trading to get SGA. Just curious, why would OKC let their future superstar go to us?


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To be bad for longer to try and get that number 1 pick

If they had have got a top 4 pick this year they probably wouldn't, but Scottie Barnes is no superstar

Though I think SGA is on his way to being a sooperstar

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Originally Posted by AusPel

To be bad for longer to try and get that number 1 pick

If they had have got a top 4 pick this year they probably wouldn't, but Scottie Barnes is no superstar

Though I think SGA is on his way to being a sooperstar

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Yeah, I have read that theory. I do not see them trading SGA unless it is for a superstar.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

I?ve heard people talk about trading to get SGA. Just curious, why would OKC let their future superstar go to us?


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They would not. You tank to get a player like SGA.

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I?ve heard people talk about trading to get SGA. Just curious, why would OKC let their future superstar go to us?

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That's just fans wishing real hard... OKC will more than likely hold onto SGA he's a stud.

Pacers move up 3 spots and get Kira in a Brogdon for Bledsoe swap.

Do the Pacers need more? How much more? pic.twitter.com/X9B0yJhLgZ

— David Fisher (@Fish_TBW) July 4, 2021

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Pacers move up 3 spots and get Kira in a Brogdon for Bledsoe swap.

Do the Pacers need more? How much more? pic.twitter.com/X9B0yJhLgZ

— David Fisher (@Fish_TBW) July 4, 2021

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Nah that works

We get the best player (somewhat injury prone) and off of Bledsoe

Indy gets 2 young lottery guys.

We might want a second back too

Oh Indy is giving us their 1st? Scratch that. Give em Pick 40 this year

Not sure what the incentive is for Pacers to do that deal.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Not sure what the incentive is for Pacers to do that deal.

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I think their optimism with a new coach in would be high. Probably try to run it back

Wonder why NAW ain't getting any looks at the starting PG spot. Dude balls out when he gets minutes.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Wonder why NAW ain't getting any looks at the starting PG spot. Dude balls out when he gets minutes.

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I think the same thing.... Dude can get to the basket no problem and ACTUALLY finish. Even though he's rather play SG I think PG is more natural to him.

Disagree. I think he’s a shooting guard who can give some minutes at the point, but his ball handling, decision making and first step are not what you want in a full time starting PG. More to the point, NAW doesn’t see himself as a true lead guard…

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Disagree. I think he’s a shooting guard who can give some minutes at the point, but his ball handling, decision making and first step are not what you want in a full time starting PG. More to the point, NAW doesn’t see himself as a true lead guard…

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Agree. He seemed to struggle with decision making at PG and had some issues against pressure bringing the ball up.

Let’s remember that NAW is young and barely has gotten minutes. Some of those bad decisions you work out as you get older and more experience. If only we had a coach that would have played him over Bledsoe lol

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Let’s remember that NAW is young and barely has gotten minutes. Some of those bad decisions you work out as you get older and more experience. If only we had a coach that would have played him over Bledsoe lol

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Possibly. But certainly has not shown yet that he is really a full time PG. Maybe that will change.

I'm not saying he's ready now by any means. I'm saying that being a PG is more fluent and natural to him with his game. Of course it'll take much seasoning to get to lead guard point. With Zo it seems more forced for him to be the lead guard as we've seen many times before. He was being decent at one point but as Hornetguru stated, it'll come with experience.

If Cleveland really wants out of 3rd pick in draft should we give them Ingram and #10 for it?
https://sportsnaut.com/cleveland-cav...or-third-pick/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nty-of-suitors

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

If Cleveland really wants out of 3rd pick in draft should we give them Ingram and #10 for it?
https://sportsnaut.com/cleveland-cav...or-third-pick/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nty-of-suitors

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Lmao no. I?m not trading a young all star to move up 7 spots in the draft.