AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

You play Pascal anywhere you want. On defense he can guard all five positions. He can beat your smaller wings and beat your slower bigs. He has the IQ of Einstein, and the athleticism of LBJ. The guy playing next to Zion would be a blast to behold.

What assets? The Raptors aren’t short in young talent, so I’m sure their offer will require something like Anunoby, Danny Green, I’m not sure what it would take to make the salaries match, but where there’s a will, there’s a way.

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I’m not saying you are right or wrong but IMO the raptors couldn’t come close to the Celtics deal. The Celtics would most likely agree to give us Tatum, Brown, the 14 pick and the Memphis first. They would maybe give us smart too but I’ll try and play fair.

What is a realistic trade the raptors could offer besides pascal and these so called assets?

If you’re telling me it’s either Tatum, Brown, 14 and Memphis pick or pascal, anunoby and Danny green, well then the Celtics deal is better by a mile.

Plus I don’t know how I feel about pascal guarding centers full time at 6’9” 230 pounds

can you come up with an actual trade that looks better than the Celtics deal than these made up assets?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Pels trade AD for Tatum, Brown, Smart, pick 14 which they select Sekou Doumbouya, and we get the Memphis first next year. We then sign vucevic or Brooke Lopez to stretch the floor for Zion.

Jrue/Jackson
Brown/smart
Tatum/Sekou
Zion/kenrich
Vucevic or López/ okafor

And we still have the Memphis pick next year to add another really good player

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This is the best possibility so far with a few mods:

Jrue/ Carsen Edwards
Brogdon/Brown
Tatum/Kenrich
Zion/Woods/ Diallo
M. Robison/ Okafor

We trade Hill and a future first for Robinson from the Knicks. I only do this because he is a perfect fit at Center


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Originally Posted by Sleeper

This is the best possibility so far with a few mods:

Jrue/ Carsen Edwards
Brogdon/Brown
Tatum/Kenrich
Zion/Woods/ Diallo
M. Robison/ Okafor

We trade Hill and a future first for Robinson from the Knicks. I only do this because he is a perfect fit at Center


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Interesting, if we suck next year then I hate it because it would have been a good pick, if we are good then I love it

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I’m not saying you are right or wrong but IMO the raptors couldn’t come close to the Celtics deal. The Celtics would most likely agree to give us Tatum, Brown, the 14 pick and the Memphis first. They would maybe give us smart too but I’ll try and play fair.

What is a realistic trade the raptors could offer besides pascal and these so called assets?

If you’re telling me it’s either Tatum, Brown, 14 and Memphis pick or pascal, anunoby and Danny green, well then the Celtics deal is better by a mile.

Plus I don’t know how I feel about pascal guarding centers full time at 6’9” 230 pounds

can you come up with an actual trade that looks better than the Celtics deal than these made up assets?

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Who is saying that we that the Celtics are offering the moon? Now they are positioning saying that they are expecting Kyrie to bounce, and they are going to build around Tatum, Brown, and their young talent. If they are willing to offer ALL OF THAT for AD, the. That is obviously the best deal, but does anyone really believe that they are going to give up all of that for AD? Are the Celtics going to give up all that young (cheap) talent when they know Kyrie is leaving?

If it comes down to Tatum, Smart, and the Memphis pick or Pascal, Anunoby, and a random first rounders from different teams, then give me the Toronto deal.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Who is saying that we that the Celtics are offering the moon? Now they are positioning saying that they are expecting Kyrie to bounce, and they are going to build around Tatum, Brown, and their young talent. If they are willing to offer ALL OF THAT for AD, the. That is obviously the best deal, but does anyone really believe that they are going to give up all of that for AD? Are the Celtics going to give up all that young (cheap) talent when they know Kyrie is leaving?

If it comes down to Tatum, Smart, and the Memphis pick or Pascal, Anunoby, and a random first rounders from different teams, then give me the Toronto deal.

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I think the Celtics do that deal without blinking, it’s a great deal for them, AD is amazing, the pels have just been that bad of a dumpster fire. At the VERY worst they would still give us Tatum, Brown, and the Memphis pick, but I guarantee you they would throw in pick 14 too. You’re not gonna miss out on a generational talent over Tatum, Brown, and some picks...

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I think the Celtics do that deal without blinking, it’s a great deal for them, AD is amazing, the pels have just been that bad of a dumpster fire. At the VERY worst they would still give us Tatum, Brown, and the Memphis pick, but I guarantee you they would throw in pick 14 too. You’re not gonna miss out on a generational talent over Tatum, Brown, and some picks...

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Man.....where have you been?
Haven't seen you on here for ages.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I think the Celtics do that deal without blinking, it’s a great deal for them, AD is amazing, the pels have just been that bad of a dumpster fire. At the VERY worst they would still give us Tatum, Brown, and the Memphis pick, but I guarantee you they would throw in pick 14 too. You’re not gonna miss out on a generational talent over Tatum, Brown, and some picks...

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Look at it from the Celtics POV. They trade all that youth, and Kyrie is still leaving. That leaves the Celtics with AD, Horford, and Gordon Hayward. While all fine pieces, and certainly a playoff bound team, that is an old and expensive team that isn’t winning a title, and doesn’t have much of a window to win a title. They don’t have cap space to bring in additional help, and Rozier isn’t coming back to run point on an MLE, so they are down a big key to the operation (no Kyrie, no Rozier).

If they pass on AD, they can keep their young core, let Kyrie leave, and re-sign Rozier running back the team that made the ECF a year ago.

Unless they know Kyrie is coming back (which he is giving all indications that he isn’t) then trading for AD is a no brainer. But if Kyrie walks, then trading for AD doesn’t do much for helping them reach the top of the mountain.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Pels trade AD for Tatum, Brown, Smart, pick 14 which they select Sekou Doumbouya, and we get the Memphis first next year. We then sign vucevic or Brooke Lopez to stretch the floor for Zion.

Jrue/Jackson
Brown/smart
Tatum/Sekou
Zion/kenrich
Vucevic or López/ okafor

And we still have the Memphis pick next year to add another really good player

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Personally i'd rather they sign Brogdan or Sato in free agency and trade Brown and a future pick or one of this years to Indiana for Sabonis or Myles Turner.

Brogdan
Holiday
Tatum
Zion
Sabinis or Turner is a great core with a bench of:

Payton
Jackson
Williams
Wood
Okafor

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Personally i'd rather they sign Brogdan or Sato in free agency and trade Brown and a future pick or one of this years to Indiana for Sabonis or Myles Turner.

Brogdan
Holiday
Tatum
Zion
Sabinis or Turner is a great core with a bench of:

Payton
Jackson
Williams
Wood
Okafor

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Hey what’s up man! That’s crazy me and a friend were actually talking about a way to land Myles Turner or sabonis last week.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Hey what’s up man! That’s crazy me and a friend were actually talking about a way to land Myles Turner or sabonis last week.

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Not gonna lie it wasn't my idea I saw it from another poster, but I just think one of those two next to Zion would be crazy good.

I think a team of :

Brogdan or Sato/Payton
Holiday/Jackson
Tatum/Williams
Zion/Wood
Sabonis or Turner/Okafor

Is a deep team with alot of two way guys.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Not gonna lie it wasn't my idea I saw it from another poster, but I just think one of those two next to Zion would be crazy good.

I think a team of :

Brogdan or Sato/Payton
Holiday/Jackson
Tatum/Williams
Zion/Wood
Sabonis or Turner/Okafor

Is a deep team with alot of two way guys.

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Agreed, that lineup with Myles turner gives us maybe the best defense in the league and I love how Myles can spread the floor for Zion from 3

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Look at it from the Celtics POV. They trade all that youth, and Kyrie is still leaving. That leaves the Celtics with AD, Horford, and Gordon Hayward. While all fine pieces, and certainly a playoff bound team, that is an old and expensive team that isn’t winning a title, and doesn’t have much of a window to win a title. They don’t have cap space to bring in additional help, and Rozier isn’t coming back to run point on an MLE, so they are down a big key to the operation (no Kyrie, no Rozier).

If they pass on AD, they can keep their young core, let Kyrie leave, and re-sign Rozier running back the team that made the ECF a year ago.

Unless they know Kyrie is coming back (which he is giving all indications that he isn’t) then trading for AD is a no brainer. But if Kyrie walks, then trading for AD doesn’t do much for helping them reach the top of the mountain.

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Quite a few people have fallen so in love with Tatum and the supposed Boston offer (and for good reason) that they can only see things through a Pelicans tint and not with the Celtic perspective.

They probably have some indication of where Kyrie is leaning and it would be ridiculous for them to trade the world for AD if he does bounce.

There is NO truth to this - Suns not offering #6 for Lonzo https://t.co/vCjaOobkFL

— John Gambadoro (@Gambo987) June 2, 2019

Just thought I'd drop this here for those people who still advocate moving Lonzo for picks. Suns wouldn't do it for the #6.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Who is saying that we that the Celtics are offering the moon? Now they are positioning saying that they are expecting Kyrie to bounce, and they are going to build around Tatum, Brown, and their young talent. If they are willing to offer ALL OF THAT for AD, the. That is obviously the best deal, but does anyone really believe that they are going to give up all of that for AD? Are the Celtics going to give up all that young (cheap) talent when they know Kyrie is leaving?

If it comes down to Tatum, Smart, and the Memphis pick or Pascal, Anunoby, and a random first rounders from different teams, then give me the Toronto deal.

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Wait where is it being reported that they are *EXPECTING* Kyrie to leave *AND* are going to build around Tatum, Brown, and their youth?

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Now as far as what teams are willing to give up for AD, Porzingis got traded for two 1st round picks and DSJ, filler while being injured, in legal trouble, and only having half a year left on his contract.

Tobias Harris got traded for 2 1st round picks, filler while only having half a year left on his contract.

Does ANYONE seriously think AD is going to get less than Porzingis or Harris in a trade while he has an entire year left on his contract? Especially after seeing the success of OKC in keeping PG and Toronto currently being in the finals and winning game 1?

I'd go so far as to say Boston would be STUPID to try and play games and miss out on AD because their team could be serious contenders in the East with him. The whole point on trading for AD is to give them extra negotiating power with Kyrie too. The same reason New York has reason to want AD. AD is the FIRST piece to fall, literally because he has to be agreed to at the draft. Whoever trades and gets him. Between New York and Boston is probably going to get Kyrie too. A lot is riding on where AD goes.

AD is the FIRST piece to fall, not the last.

If Kyrie wants to play with KD, he could probably doesn’t give a flip about where AD gets traded to.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Wait where is it being reported that they are *EXPECTING* Kyrie to leave *AND* are going to build around Tatum, Brown, and their youth?

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Now as far as what teams are willing to give up for AD, Porzingis got traded for two 1st round picks and DSJ, filler while being injured, in legal trouble, and only having half a year left on his contract.

Tobias Harris got traded for 2 1st round picks, filler while only having half a year left on his contract.

Does ANYONE seriously think AD is going to get less than Porzingis or Harris in a trade while he has an entire year left on his contract? Especially after seeing the success of OKC in keeping PG and Toronto currently being in the finals and winning game 1?

I'd go so far as to say Boston would be STUPID to try and play games and miss out on AD because their team could be serious contenders in the East with him. The whole point on trading for AD is to give them extra negotiating power with Kyrie too. The same reason New York has reason to want AD. AD is the FIRST piece to fall, literally because he has to be agreed to at the draft. Whoever trades and gets him. Between New York and Boston is probably going to get Kyrie too. A lot is riding on where AD goes.

AD is the FIRST piece to fall, not the last.

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Totally agree with this entire thing!

Porzingis got, like you said, two 1sts and a lottery rookie while being on the second major injury in two years, having a rape case active, and with only half a year left on his contract.

AD is completely healthy, has no extra circumstances that could jeopardise his future, and has a full season left on his contract. Oh yeah, and he's better than Porzingis. He's better than Harris too. He might be better than Porzingis and Harris at the same time, when he's playing at his peak.

The idea that AD will only net us scraps is absurd. If Griffin is willing to negotiate, haggle, and manipulate, the AD haul should set us up for the next five years with ease.

And yeah, for the billionth time, AD is the FIRST piece to fall. Kyrie cannot do ANYTHING until after the moratorium, by which point AD will very probably have been moved. Where AD goes will at least play a part in influencing what Kyrie does. That's why we have so much leverage here, beyond just AD's natural ability.

I don’t know why a strawman argument is being made about AD being traded for scraps. I know I didn’t say that. I just doubt a team is going to give up a haul like people are expecting from Boston (Tatum, Brown, Smart, etc., and the Memphis pick). That’s too much for one team to move.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I don’t know why a strawman argument is being made about AD being traded for scraps. I know I didn’t say that. I just doubt a team is going to give up a haul like people are expecting from Boston (Tatum, Brown, Smart, etc., and the Memphis pick). That’s too much for one team to move.

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What do you think would be more realistic for Boston to offer?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

If Kyrie wants to play with KD, he could probably doesn’t give a flip about where AD gets traded to.

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If, if, if if, we can play the if game all day.

If Kyrie wants to play with KD but not AD then Boston should be in even bigger panic mode to keep AD from joining those two. If Boston wants any chance of winning then they are going to have to make a move to keep a superteam from being built in their backyard.

Even if Kyrie walks they are still sitting at 100m in salary and that's before they have to pay Rozier or sign their 1st round picks. Then you go, "Yeah but the year AFTER next season then Horford comes off the books and they will have space." to which I respond, yeah and Brown's contract is up and they are going to have to pay him, then the next season Tatum's contract is up and they will have to pay him.

Boston is in a position where they have to make a move this summer. Either they are going to go all in or they have to cut bait on the entire team and blow it up. But no matter what they do they're going to have to come off some of those picks, players, just to clear the crap off their books, otherwise they are going to be stuck in the mid tier where they can't even get over the hump in the East.



But none of this addresses my original question which is: WHO is reporting or WHERE is it being reported that Boston expects Kyrie to leave and are planning on building around Tatum, Smart, picks?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

What do you think would be more realistic for Boston to offer?

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I think expecting Brown, Tatum, Smart, filler, and the Memphis pick is too much for AD. Boston needs talent to fill out the roster, and a team of (dealing in certainty) Horford, Hayward, and AD isn’t going to win you a title. Kyrie is material enough where the Celtics could land AD, and Kyrie could still leave if he and KD want to make a go of it in NY.

For that reason I don’t think the Celtics offer all of that, because if AD bounces after a year, they don’t want to be left holding the bag. Shooters shoot their shot, but Ainge isn’t a fool.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I think expecting Brown, Tatum, Smart, filler, and the Memphis pick is too much for AD. Boston needs talent to fill out the roster, and a team of (dealing in certainty) Horford, Hayward, and AD isn’t going to win you a title. Kyrie is material enough where the Celtics could land AD, and Kyrie could still leave if he and KD want to make a go of it in NY.

For that reason I don’t think the Celtics offer all of that, because if AD bounces after a year, they don’t want to be left holding the bag. Shooters shoot their shot, but Ainge isn’t a fool.

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Cool, but I gathered that you think Brown, Tatum, Smart, filler, and the Memphis pick is too much, because you had said that in the post I was replying to.

What I was asking is what do you think is a more realistic offer for Boston to make? That is, in your opinion, what DO you think they offer, realistically?

To be clear I think most Pels fans expect a package to be something like Tatum, Smart, filler, picks (one being Memphis pick).

The talk of getting both Tatum and Brown started after Tatum had a weak playoffs and people speculated Mayne it drove down his value enough that Brown needed to be included as well.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Wait where is it being reported that they are *EXPECTING* Kyrie to leave *AND* are going to build around Tatum, Brown, and their youth?

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Now as far as what teams are willing to give up for AD, Porzingis got traded for two 1st round picks and DSJ, filler while being injured, in legal trouble, and only having half a year left on his contract.

Tobias Harris got traded for 2 1st round picks, filler while only having half a year left on his contract.

Does ANYONE seriously think AD is going to get less than Porzingis or Harris in a trade while he has an entire year left on his contract? Especially after seeing the success of OKC in keeping PG and Toronto currently being in the finals and winning game 1?

I'd go so far as to say Boston would be STUPID to try and play games and miss out on AD because their team could be serious contenders in the East with him. The whole point on trading for AD is to give them extra negotiating power with Kyrie too. The same reason New York has reason to want AD. AD is the FIRST piece to fall, literally because he has to be agreed to at the draft. Whoever trades and gets him. Between New York and Boston is probably going to get Kyrie too. A lot is riding on where AD goes.

AD is the FIRST piece to fall, not the last.

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Yes, yes, yes, You have to get more back than Harris or Butler. I think the first step for Boston is to see who Kyrie had a beef with and trade them. From what I gather it was the young guys but I don’t know. Hopefully it’s the young guys and Hayward then crap could happen. Boston keeps Kyrie happy and would get Davis with the same stone.

I’d be happy to send Davis and Moore for Tatum, Brown, Hayward, 14th, 20th, and Memphis pick. It saves Boston roughly 10 million, they keep Smart (whom would fit next to anyone), and they have the 22nd pick to either dump players or make another little move. If Horford opts out and they may have the money to go after another big fish like KD. This would be the route I’d take and maybe Horford comes back on MLE but max it out

Kyrie (32)
Smart, Moore (20)
KD (36)
AD (25)
Horford MLE (10)

Everyone else would prob need to go but but exemptions and mins. Your at about 123 with a stud team and you could use the 22 pick and Moore to maybe get multiple players to fill the bench.

We would in turn keep Tatum and probably Brown till the deadline and flip Hayward. Multiple people mentioned Indiana so maybe Hayward and 14th pick for Turner/Sabonis and lil Holiday

Elfrid, Aaron holiday
Jrue, Brown
Tatum, Kenrich
Zion
Turner, Woods, Okafor

Pretty nice team and most under contract for a little while and we have money for a decent FA

I don't want Hayward's albatross contract on this team. Horford isn't going to opt out and then resign with the same team for $20m less.

You'd have to keep Hayward's contract because his deal + the 14th pick is NOT going to get Myles Turner. Not even close. Turner is an extremely good player. You don't take back big risks (Hayward) when you're sending out an extremely good young player, you take back assets.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't want Hayward's albatross contract on this team. Horford isn't going to opt out and then resign with the same team for $20m less.

You'd have to keep Hayward's contract because his deal + the 14th pick is NOT going to get Myles Turner. Not even close. Turner is an extremely good player. You don't take back big risks (Hayward) when you're sending out an extremely good young player, you take back assets.

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Heywards contract is fine. He only has this year & next year he will become an expiring. I kinda like the 2 yr rental of a above average vet on the team. Timeline fits .

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't want Hayward's albatross contract on this team. Horford isn't going to opt out and then resign with the same team for $20m less.

You'd have to keep Hayward's contract because his deal + the 14th pick is NOT going to get Myles Turner. Not even close. Turner is an extremely good player. You don't take back big risks (Hayward) when you're sending out an extremely good young player, you take back assets.

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This, to get turner would cost something like either brown or smart with the 14th pick

Trade idea, oladipo, turner and a sign a trade bogdonavic for AD

Jrue
Oladipo
Bogdonavic
Zion
Turner

Hayward showed some flashes of his old self. I think the issue with him is he needs the ball to facilitate the offense or at least that’s how he was in Utah. Having Kyrie or really any dominant pg is going to hurt what he does. Going to a team without a clear pg would help him tremendously. He wouldn’t be bad here either but I’d rather guys a little younger so this team could grow together.

If Boston does low ball us, I could go NY or Laker the only issue is that I’m not fired up about the players so I’d want to move them all.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Heywards contract is fine. He only has this year & next year he will become an expiring. I kinda like the 2 yr rental of a above average vet on the team. Timeline fits .

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Well he has 2 years left after the current season on his deal but also a 15% trade kicker. It's an albatross contract, no way around it. I don't really feel like dealing with it just to help Boston out. They already had problems finding minutes because Brown, Tatum, and Hayward all play the same position requiring Tatum to routinely play out of position to give everyone time. If we are trying to develop Tatum, I don't really want to put him in the position he has been in Boston this whole time. Plus Brown can't really slide to PF for us since Zion will be spending time there.

I can see enough minutes for 2 guys being added with Zion in those positions. Same deal if Smart is traded instead of Brown. That means Tatum can't slide down to SG with Moore and Smart there. Can't slide up to PF with Zion there. Basically Hayward just really messes up our rotation a lot for guys we want to actually develop.

That's not even to mention Kendrich Williams who deserves more minutes and development time as well or Frank Jackson at guard.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Well he has 2 years left after the current season on his deal but also a 15% trade kicker. It's an albatross contract, no way around it. I don't really feel like dealing with it just to help Boston out. They already had problems finding minutes because Brown, Tatum, and Hayward all play the same position requiring Tatum to routinely play out of position to give everyone time. If we are trying to develop Tatum, I don't really want to put him in the position he has been in Boston this whole time. Plus Brown can't really slide to PF for us since Zion will be spending time there.

I can see enough minutes for 2 guys being added with Zion in those positions. Same deal if Smart is traded instead of Brown. That means Tatum can't slide down to SG with Moore and Smart there. Can't slide up to PF with Zion there. Basically Hayward just really messes up our rotation a lot for guys we want to actually develop.

That's not even to mention Kendrich Williams who deserves more minutes and development time as well or Frank Jackson at guard.

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Not following the word salad.
This season is over. I said- I have no problem with a 2-year rental. That doesn't require a trade. Correct me if I'm wrong , but isn't such trade kickers negotiable? Heyward can agree to waive the kicker, correct?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Trade idea, oladipo, turner and a sign a trade bogdonavic for AD

Jrue
Oladipo
Bogdonavic
Zion
Turner

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I really like this team, but maybe instead of bogdonavic they include Thaddeus Young and we sign like Tobias Harris or jimmy butler

Jrue
Oladipo
Butler or Harris
Zion
Turner

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I really like this team, but maybe instead of bogdonavic they include Thaddeus Young and we sign like Tobias Harris or jimmy butler

Jrue
Oladipo
Butler or Harris
Zion
Turner

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No Jimmy Butler. Man's a locker room cancer.

We don't have the cash for him or Tobias anyway, but still, the point remains.

Bogdanovic > Thad Young, we need shooters.

I don't think the Pacers would do this though. They were a top team in the East this year before Oladipo went down. They would be looking to ADD to that core, not give away all of it. They might be willing to part with either Turner or Sabonis, but I don't think they move Oladipo at all.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Well he has 2 years left after the current season on his deal but also a 15% trade kicker. It's an albatross contract, no way around it. I don't really feel like dealing with it just to help Boston out. They already had problems finding minutes because Brown, Tatum, and Hayward all play the same position requiring Tatum to routinely play out of position to give everyone time. If we are trying to develop Tatum, I don't really want to put him in the position he has been in Boston this whole time. Plus Brown can't really slide to PF for us since Zion will be spending time there.

I can see enough minutes for 2 guys being added with Zion in those positions. Same deal if Smart is traded instead of Brown. That means Tatum can't slide down to SG with Moore and Smart there. Can't slide up to PF with Zion there. Basically Hayward just really messes up our rotation a lot for guys we want to actually develop.

That's not even to mention Kendrich Williams who deserves more minutes and development time as well or Frank Jackson at guard.

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How is a 2 yr contract an albatross? Even if you pay 5 mill extra for 1yr. You either keep him for 2yrs (he has a PO, obviously re-upping.) or you send him off as an expiring in 20-21 . Albatross to me is $$ + Time. CP3, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love et al. I don't see a possible 2yr Max as an albatross.

I didn’t plan on keeping Hayward. The plan would be to flip him to a team in need of a star player or at least a player that would bring veteran leadership. I was thinking along the lines of the suns or Atlanta. Indiana was brought up and interesting.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

No Jimmy Butler. Man's a locker room cancer.

We don't have the cash for him or Tobias anyway, but still, the point remains.

Bogdanovic > Thad Young, we need shooters.

I don't think the Pacers would do this though. They were a top team in the East this year before Oladipo went down. They would be looking to ADD to that core, not give away all of it. They might be willing to part with either Turner or Sabonis, but I don't think they move Oladipo at all.

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The east was a little weak, if we offered ad for oladipo and turner I would be very surprised if they turned it down, just my opinion

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

The east was a little weak, if we offered ad for oladipo and turner I would be very surprised if they turned it down, just my opinion

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I don’t think they give up Oladipo. Who’s around AD if you make that move plus there isn’t going to be draft picks which I think is important.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Not following the word salad.
This season is over. I said- I have no problem with a 2-year rental. That doesn't require a trade. Correct me if I'm wrong , but isn't such trade kickers negotiable? Heyward can agree to waive the kicker, correct?

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As far as contracts go this season isn't over. The new season starts July 1st. But that is more about wording more than anything else. It's a non issue.

You said you have no problem with a 2 year rental. That doesn't require a trade? I'm confused by what you mean here. We are discussing Hayward, there's no way to get him without a trade.

Hayward *could* waive his entire contract not just the trade kicker. The question is why would he waive either and cheat himself out of money? Especially to go right back into the same situation of having to split minutes with Tatum / Brown.

I think you should go back and reread my "word salad" because a lot of what's in there involves just how much having Hayward would throw off our rotations and mess up our development of guys we actually want to improve and give time to.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

I don’t think they give up Oladipo. Who’s around AD if you make that move plus there isn’t going to be draft picks which I think is important.

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Yeah, that's my point. The entire goal of making an AD trade is to make your team better. Does Indiana get better if it gains AD, but loses Oladipo and Turner?

Not really. Now, if they could ship Turner + Bogdanovic + picks, it would be a very different scenario because I can imagine Oladipo+AD being a killer combo. But the goal would be to pair AD with Oladipo, not switch the two.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

The east was a little weak, if we offered ad for oladipo and turner I would be very surprised if they turned it down, just my opinion

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Why would they ever turn that down? That's a pretty weak offer. Oladipo is coming off injury, Turner is... OK, and then we want to move AD for them and the right to have to overpay in a sign and trade?

It's not about fit with this trade. I think the fit is fine. It's about value, which is extremely poor for AD.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Cool, but I gathered that you think Brown, Tatum, Smart, filler, and the Memphis pick is too much, because you had said that in the post I was replying to.

What I was asking is what do you think is a more realistic offer for Boston to make? That is, in your opinion, what DO you think they offer, realistically?

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What do I think the Celtics would offer for AD? There are two offers they would make us, one if Kyrie is out, and one if Kyrie is in. This isn’t being made in vacuum, Kyrie’s decision will impact the offer.

If Kyrie Stays
Pels send out AD
Boston sends out Tatum, Smart, Memphis Pick/Brown, their first round picks that they can.

If Kyrie Leaves
Pels send out AD
Boston sends Tatum, Smart, Memphis Pick, their first round picks.

They need to keep young talent on the roster if Kyrie leaves, and while Brown isn’t Tatum, he is still a young player, and is turning into a great two way player, and that will push for Boston to exclude him from the trade.

Obviously the 2nd trade is less attractive because you can’t get both Tatum and Brown, but then again, if Kyrie leaves I don’t think Boston will trade for AD anyway.

Honestly, I would look for a dark horse to come in and give us an offer none of us saw coming (which is why I would love to gage Toronto’s interest for Pascal and assets).

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

There is NO truth to this - Suns not offering #6 for Lonzo https://t.co/vCjaOobkFL

— John Gambadoro (@Gambo987) June 2, 2019

Just thought I'd drop this here for those people who still advocate moving Lonzo for picks. Suns wouldn't do it for the #6.

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Good. Lonzo missing 40+ games, can't shoot 3s or FT isn't worth a mid range lotto pick.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

What do I think the Celtics would offer for AD? There are two offers they would make us, one if Kyrie is out, and one if Kyrie is in. This isn’t being made in vacuum, Kyrie’s decision will impact the offer.

If Kyrie Stays
Pels send out AD
Boston sends out Tatum, Smart, Memphis Pick/Brown, their first round picks that they can.

If Kyrie Leaves
Pels send out AD
Boston sends Tatum, Smart, Memphis Pick, their first round picks.

They need to keep young talent on the roster if Kyrie leaves, and while Brown isn’t Tatum, he is still a young player, and is turning into a great two way player, and that will push for Boston to exclude him from the trade.

Obviously the 2nd trade is less attractive because you can’t get both Tatum and Brown, but then again, if Kyrie leaves I don’t think Boston will trade for AD anyway.

Honestly, I would look for a dark horse to come in and give us an offer none of us saw coming (which is why I would love to gage Toronto’s interest for Pascal and assets).

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They won’t know about Kyrie (theoretically) until July 1, which would be after the draft when a trade will most likely be agreed on. As for Smart and Brown, I’d bet they would prefer to keep Smart. He would fit better with Kyrie and AD in my opinion. Plus Brown is going to demand a big contract that I don’t think he’s worth. Next year will be a weak FA crop unless everyone opts out which means big over pays for players next summer. If we got Brown I would flip him either now or at the deadline.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

What do I think the Celtics would offer for AD? There are two offers they would make us, one if Kyrie is out, and one if Kyrie is in. This isn’t being made in vacuum, Kyrie’s decision will impact the offer.

If Kyrie Stays
Pels send out AD
Boston sends out Tatum, Smart, Memphis Pick/Brown, their first round picks that they can.

If Kyrie Leaves
Pels send out AD
Boston sends Tatum, Smart, Memphis Pick, their first round picks.

They need to keep young talent on the roster if Kyrie leaves, and while Brown isn’t Tatum, he is still a young player, and is turning into a great two way player, and that will push for Boston to exclude him from the trade.

Obviously the 2nd trade is less attractive because you can’t get both Tatum and Brown, but then again, if Kyrie leaves I don’t think Boston will trade for AD anyway.

Honestly, I would look for a dark horse to come in and give us an offer none of us saw coming (which is why I would love to gage Toronto’s interest for Pascal and assets).

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Um. The pick you suggested if Kyrie still leaves is an absolutely awesome offer. If the only difference you see between Kyrie staying or leaving is basically if they include Brown or not, I think we pretty much agree on that and I'd be more than happy either way.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Good. Lonzo missing 40+ games, can't shoot 3s or FT isn't worth a mid range lotto pick.

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That’s disappointing because if we trade with the lakers, I’d rather move Ball for as much as we can get for him. Ingram and Kuzma as well

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

That’s disappointing because if we trade with the lakers, I’d rather move Ball for as much as we can get for him. Ingram and Kuzma as well

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Most people agree. That's why I posted the tweet. Lots of people are in favour of the Lakers deal assuming they can flip Lonzo to either Phoenix or Chicago. Most of us thought that was unlikely anyway, but now we have some good reason to think the Sun's are not even in consideration. That's a big blow to those who loved the Lakers offer with the intention of flipping Lonzo.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

They won’t know about Kyrie (theoretically) until July 1, which would be after the draft when a trade will most likely be agreed on. As for Smart and Brown, I’d bet they would prefer to keep Smart. He would fit better with Kyrie and AD in my opinion. Plus Brown is going to demand a big contract that I don’t think he’s worth. Next year will be a week FA crop unless everyone opts out which means big over pays for players next summer. If we got Brown I would flip him either now or at the deadline.

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I think they will know before free agency if Kyrie is all in. Players talk, and as we get closer you will hear more buzz about him staying or leaving. Right now, many reporters in the Boston market have all but written Kyrie off, and the fans (would love to have him back) are ready for life without Kyrie. I don’t think landing AD changes Kyrie’s mind. The guy people need to pay attention to is KD, as he and Kyrie are friends.

It’s still too soon to tell one way or the other, but I don’t believe the Pels will be getting as much from Boston as people are thinking.

Just saw the news that the Bulls came extremely close to trading Dunn and Markkanen for CP3.

They pulled out, but if 34 year old $47m CP3 can come within a hair's breadth of securing Markkanen, I expect a good AD return.

Haha. True that.

Yep, UNO. These players don't exactly have the best poker face when it comes to "being all in or not". That or they just don't care. KD. AD. Kyrie......the people around them know when they're leaning.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Yep, UNO. These players don't exactly have the best poker face when it comes to "being all in or not". That or they just don't care. KD. AD. Kyrie......the people around them know when they're leaning.

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Exactly. The one thing KD and Kyrie have on AD is that they don’t have clowns representing them and showing their cards.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Just saw the news that the Bulls came extremely close to trading Dunn and Markkanen for CP3.

They pulled out, but if 34 year old $47m CP3 can come within a hair's breadth of securing Markkanen, I expect a good AD return.

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If true, they do not value Markkanen as much as I thought they did.