Official Fire Monty Thread

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Originally Posted by Nola7

Time to make real steps towards winning a championship not just making the playoffs yes. And that starts with Coaching.

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If you are expecting a championship you are going to be let down. The odds are stacked against this team no matter the coach. Of the 30 teams in the league only 17 have won before. That's crazy to think about. There isn't much parity in the NBA.

I'm not an advocate of Monty, but people act like he isn't good at anything, and that's just blind hate.

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Originally Posted by Nola7

A+ 100

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Thank you.

I know Benson never misses a Saints game. When was the last time anyone saw him lately sitting courtside at a Pels game? Left at halftime during Washington game supposedly and has not been seen at the arena since!

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I'm not an advocate of Monty, but people act like he isn't good at anything, and that's just blind hate.

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This is the the problem i have with a lot of people here's assessments. I just don't think they're fair. There's a lot of people level headed that want him gone but there's also a lot of people who just see red when Monty is brought up and just act like he's worthless to the sport.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

If you are expecting a championship you are going to be let down. The odds are stacked against this team no matter the coach. Of the 30 teams in the league only 17 have won before. That's crazy to think about. There isn't much parity in the NBA.

I'm not an advocate of Monty, but people act like he isn't good at anything, and that's just blind hate.

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Good at clearing out an arena that is for sure. Not hate just nature of business. He just not good and the overall record states that!

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

Thank you.

I know Benson never misses a Saints game. When was the last time anyone saw him lately sitting courtside at a Pels game? Left at halftime during Washington game supposedly and has not been seen at the arena since!

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He's been sick....

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Yeah last year when i did ST, they forgot to mail it. Then hand delivered it, then realized they gave me the wrong tickets, then realized they didn't give me enough. Their service repair was adequate but they shouldn't have had to repair 5xs for one season.

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Yeah, this year they got me my tickets after the first game, and in the wrong section. When I told them I was sold the wrong tickets they told me to check my invoice, and they had never sent an invoice. Get in a pissing match with me and you can take your ****ery elsewhere I don't have that time. Got my money back and I wont be returning til they get their **** together.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

If you are expecting a championship you are going to be let down. The odds are stacked against this team no matter the coach. Of the 30 teams in the league only 17 have won before. That's crazy to think about. There isn't much parity in the NBA.

I'm not an advocate of Monty, but people act like he isn't good at anything, and that's just blind hate.

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Great Big Men in the NBA usually Win Championships Period. And I don't have time for loser expectations, Anthony Davis is special Larry Brown was right, EVERYTHING you want out of a Franchise corner stone you have it in this kid and he is in my opinion already a top 10 talent. We have been gifted the opportunity to create something very special and need not waste time with mediocre to poor coaching and sub par management.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

Good at clearing out an arena that is for sure. Not hate just nature of business. He just not good and the overall record states that!

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It's this type of stuff i'm talking about. It hyperbole. It's completely lacks tact. People are just piling on the guy.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

He's been sick....

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For 3 weeks ? Guess I would call in sick too. Get well soon Mr. Benson.


I bet he is well enough to go to NY for that football game Sun.

This team needs wins and he sits AD over a sore pinky? This Monty Williams guy got's to go...

I understand AD sitting, but what I don't understand is how we can't do well when AD, Gordon, and Reke are still healthy. Switch things up!

And is it just me or is the Austin Rivers pg project over, and we are just trying to get him on the floor in any capacity possible. You never hear as much about Rivers being a pg project anymore and we are stuck with Brian Roberts starting.

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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate

This team needs wins and he sits AD over a sore pinky? This Monty Williams guy got's to go...

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AHHHHH!!!!!! LOL

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I understand AD sitting, but what I don't understand is how we can't do well when AD, Gordon, and Reke are still healthy.

And is it just me or is the Austin Rivers pg project over, and we are just trying to get him on the floor in any capacity possible. You never hear as much about Rivers being a pg project anymore and we are stuck with Brian Roberts starting.

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I think the Rivers at PG full time thing died when we traded for Jrue.

I think Rivers and Tyreke play alright together (to the point where distinguishing Rivers as a PG is kinda pointless) but it would actually be a great combo if at least one of them had a consistent jumpshot.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

It's this type of stuff i'm talking about. It hyperbole. It's completely lacks tact. People are just piling on the guy.

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He's bald, and I hate his suits. Therefore, Monty deserves to be fired.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

He's bald, and I hate his suits. Therefore, Monty deserves to be fired.

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See people. This what I'm talking about as a legitimate argument. Monty DOES wear awful suits.

Sitting AD means he should get fired? What a joke! Whoever thinks that knows nothing about basketball and how the whole operation works. If it was up to Monty he would be out there with a broken hand. It's called team doctors trainers and the players make the final call with an injury. Why risk Our whole franchise injuring it worse over 1 meaningless game. Seriously what a joke.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Sitting AD means he should get fired? What a joke! Whoever thinks that knows nothing about basketball and how the whole operation works. If it was up to Monty he would be out there with a broken hand. It's called team doctors trainers and the players make the final call with an injury. Why risk Our whole franchise injuring it worse over 1 meaningless game. Seriously what a joke.

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First of all these games aren't meaningless and second of all if Davis hand was really broken he wouldn't be scheduled to play in the next game, this Saturday. Stop exaggerating, it was Monty's call to sit Davis. He needs to go...

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Sitting AD means he should get fired? What a joke! Whoever thinks that knows nothing about basketball and how the whole operation works. If it was up to Monty he would be out there with a broken hand. It's called team doctors trainers and the players make the final call with an injury. Why risk Our whole franchise injuring it worse over 1 meaningless game. Seriously what a joke.

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I guess you missed the pregame interview with Monty. Team doctors, trainers and even AD said he could play but it was Monty's decision to sit him and get ready for the Bulls on Sat. AD dislocated his finger and was good enough to finish the game so why would Dumb Dumb not listen to his doctors, trainers and own player who wanted to play? My guess is that Monty has been given another free pass this year due to the injuries so he decide to give AD the night off. A good player wants to play regardless of any situation as long as he can play. Monty seems content on keeping AD under his control with the mindset of bringing him along slowly which seems to lack any real logic but that is why he is the brainchild of our team. Can't wait to see how many season ticket renewals we get when it is confirmed Monty will be back for another losing season.

Jeff Hornacek and his talent deprived Suns are ripping it up this year...so why are we making excuses for Monty again?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Jeff Hornacek and his talent deprived Suns are ripping it up this year...so why are we making excuses for Monty again?

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For some it's just to play the other side and have a dog in the fight. For the sake of arguing.

They do look and sound alike


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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate

First of all these games aren't meaningless and second of all if Davis hand was really broken he wouldn't be scheduled to play in the next game, this Saturday. Stop exaggerating, it was Monty's call to sit Davis. He needs to go...

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Was it reported somewhere that it was Monty's call? Because if so that would be very much out of the ordinary. Every time Monty is asked about injuries he usually doesn't even know exactly what's going on because it is out of his hands and the docs decide.

Plus, you do remember that this was the second of a back to back? It's pretty standard that if a player has something minor that he sits one of the two games back to back for precautionary reasons.

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The way getting hurt can go is you're fine during the game, but after sleeping, it swells up and gets tight and sore.

AD will be gangsta.

Monty can't set a rotation or do in-game management worth a ****. What was that game we lost on a last second shot because he left Morrow in with 1 second left?

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Originally Posted by Noggy

Monty can't set a rotation or do in-game management worth a ****. What was that game we lost on a last second shot because he left Morrow in with 1 second left?

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You can say the first part without needing to say the second, my man.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

You can say the first part without needing to say the second, my man.

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Wow. Did he just write what I think?

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Originally Posted by Noggy

Monty can't set a rotation or do in-game management worth a ****. What was that game we lost on a last second shot because he left Morrow in with 1 second left?

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Yes. Clearly we would have won dozens more games if only we hadn't had Morrow in the game at the end. That is the problem. Smh.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

You can say the first part without needing to say the second, my man.

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I'm assuming that is the same noggy from SR. Which would make sense.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

This is the the problem i have with a lot of people here's assessments. I just don't think they're fair. There's a lot of people level headed that want him gone but there's also a lot of people who just see red when Monty is brought up and just act like he's worthless to the sport.

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Agreed.

Yes, there are fair criticisms, but when you exaggerate every single thing without context, it just lumps those who have vaild points in with the crazies.

For instance - Fire him because he was cautious with AD for one game? So, let's fire Popovich too then, huh? Or point out one first year coach who is overperforming and use that as an argument for Monty's firing - What does one have to do with the other?

Again, stick to the strong arguments and also point out the good when it occurs. Then, maybe we can learn from this thread instead of laughing at it.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Yes, there are fair criticisms, but when you exaggerate every single thing without context, it just lumps those who have vaild points in with the crazies.

For instance - Fire him because he was cautious with AD for one game? So, let's fire Popovich too then, huh? Or point out one first year coach who is overperforming and use that as an argument for Monty's firing - What does one have to do with the other?

Again, stick to the strong arguments and also point out the good when it occurs. Then, maybe we can learn from this thread instead of laughing at it.

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The sad thing, is people probably think on this board I want Monty around whole heartedly. I don't really, I'm fine with us getting a better coach. I just don't think he's a bum we picked up off the street that doesn't know the game.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

The sad thing, is people probably think on this board I want Monty around whole heartedly. I don't really, I'm fine with us getting a better coach. I just don't think he's a bum we picked up off the street that doesn't know the game.

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Exactly - I was one of the first wo point out the flaws, and now people think I am a Monty defender just because I don't nod my head every time people make insane claims about him and his faults. There are things to criticize, but people often make the mistake of thinking that more points = better argument. So untrue. The good philosophers, debaters, lawyers, etc. stick to a small number of very strong points. They don't just pile on weak arguments to make a stronger case.

Quality, not quantity people.

An 884-posts-long thread that was started three and a half months ago is plenty of proof about quantity and not quality, especially considering the usual amount of posts on this board.

Pointing out one 1st year coach overcoming strenuous circumstances in a tough division speaks more to how Monty just doesn't get it. One guy loses his big offseason acquisition and is winning due to great team play and out thinking his opponent. Monty has dealt with injuries on and off but has always had one or more constant guys and still we don't game plan accordingly. How many starting 5's have we gone through compared to the Suns might be a good question to ask here. But bringing up Hornaceck is a very valid point.

At the end of the day we are all just throwing out reasons why Monty should be let go, and eventually he will, and then we can all go back to reading threads about trades, or being given links to websites about trades (or maybe mid level marketing opportunities). These are all just opinions.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Pointing out one 1st year coach overcoming strenuous circumstances in a tough division speaks more to how Monty just doesn't get it. One guy loses his big offseason acquisition and is winning due to great team play and out thinking his opponent. Monty has dealt with injuries on and off but has always had one or more constant guys and still we don't game plan accordingly. How many starting 5's have we gone through compared to the Suns might be a good question to ask here. But bringing up Hornaceck is a very valid point.

At the end of the day we are all just throwing out reasons why Monty should be let go, and eventually he will, and then we can all go back to reading threads about trades, or being given links to websites about trades (or maybe mid level marketing opportunities). These are all just opinions.

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So, should every coach with more talent than Hornacek but fewer wins be fired then? Or what about coaches with much more talent and only a few more wins? I mean, he is doing a better job than all of them, right? So they must not get it either. Fire them all!

Your words not mine mike.

It would just be a crazy argument to make anywhere else. When evaluating a player, you don't say:

Cons - He is not Dwight Howard.

You would say his cons are X, Y, and Z.

Let's at least take the time to do the same for Monty in the OFFICIAL Fire Monty thread. The fact that he is "not Jeff Hornacek" is not a real criticism. There are plenty of good one's out there. Take the time to list those.

LOL. Bulls take the night off and some of you are sucking up to Monty like he is Jesus Christ.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

LOL. Bulls take the night off and some of you are sucking up to Monty like he is Jesus Christ.

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Can you show one post that fits that description?

True. Fire Monty and look for the next Jeff Hornaceck.

Regarding your questions above

So, should every coach with more talent than Hornacek but fewer wins be fired then? Or what about coaches with much more talent and only a few more wins?

You have to give me some names here, because outside of the Celtics (who have absolutely no talent) and The Bulls (who are rediscovering themselves) I don't see a coach on that list who won't pop up on a "Where are they Now?" Or "Who" list.

It's amazing Monty isn't doing an apology tour every time the Suns win.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

LOL. Bulls take the night off and some of you are sucking up to Monty like he is Jesus Christ.

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At least nobodies beating that "Where are the Monty haters NOW!?" drum.

I really like the idea of bringing in a Shaka Smart Jeff Hornaceck type.

I give up. I try to get intelligent discourse on this board, but sometimes you just gotta let message boards be message boards. I get that now.

Honestly, I stopped posting as frequently as I used too because of the same old fire Monty talk, it's annoying and not that accurate. He's not the greatest coach but he isn't the reason why we lose EVERY game we lose. Are some of you guys trolling? Really.

Let's start another trade thread, or maybe talk about statistics.

Man it's going to be a long offseason (football).

Stand up and get crunk.

THOM THIB DOESNT KNOW HOW TO MANAGE GAMEZ

I WISH THOM THIBZ KNEW HOZ TO STZ LINUPZ

BULLZ LOZT TO HORNTZ ZERG ATTCACK

So, if we lose it's monty's fault, obviously. If we win, it's the other team that decided not to come to play.

Seriously, i've met women with more logic than this (no offense HunnyB :hihi:)