Pelicans looking to get a top 5 pick?

Gasol is a beast, would instantly make us a playoff team. He makes a team better in alot of ways

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

99% chance we don't, I'm just saying if the grizz want to rebuild, which they should, we could trade ryno to the suns for 1 of their 3 first rounds picks and package that with a future 1st rounder for him.

suns 2014 1st rounder
pels 2015 1st rounder

for marc gasol

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So you're telling me the Griz would trade one of the best centers in the league for 2 mid round picks? That just doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I said the consensus here. I wasn't talking about the media. For the record I think Evans was overpaid which remains to be seen.

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Do a poll if you want consensus here. I've seen people argue that everyone outside of AD has been overpaid here at some point. I'm not even sure if AD is left out. If someone were to say they'd take Drummond over AD then that person is implying possibly that AD is overpaid because he shouldn't have went first overall.

Tyreke I don't think there is discussion about. The only way we get him is if we offer more than the Kings want to pay.

We overpaid Tyreke as far as his market value at the time. But by the start of next season, he wont even be in the top 80 of player salary and he is a top 50 player IMO. And once we get rid of Gordon, he could jump up to top 30 if he plays like he did at points last year.

With that contract declining, he could be one of the biggest bargains in the league in years 3 and 4

I don't see the Grizz fading Gasol right now (not until he and Z-Bo become less effective). They have one of the best front courts in the league so why mess with that for a couple of mid to later first round picks?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I don't see the Grizz fading Gasol right now (not until he and Z-Bo become less effective). They have one of the best front courts in the league so why mess with that for a couple of mid to later first round picks?

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If they were smart, they would see the writing on the wall that this core cant come out of the West. Why wait for a unit to be uneffective before moving on? Why not sell high?

I agree that it would take more than marginal picks. If they could dump Prince and land a top 5-7 pick in a trade, I could see them moving Gasol and starting from scratch.

If the grizz are ok with making the playoffs and exiting early, then they can keep this core...if they truly want to win the title then i can't see how they can right now

They only need to tinker a bit with that lineup, and get some better depth, but that is a team that (while not built to win) is built to give people problems, and they do. Why the year before last they were in the conf. finals and got swept by a better team. Its not their front court thats the problem (maybe depth wise they could do better), but its their back court. I don't know why but I can't get behind Mike Conley being a legit top tier pg, like so many view him. He doesn't move the meter for me. If they could get into the top part of this draft and get a smart or an a Zach Lavine, they would be smart to do so, and improve that back court.

If they trade Gasol they are in rebuild mode, when they still have a few more years of their window being open (if they make moves to improve their backcourt).

But they dont have the flexibility to make moves. And yes, they did make the WCF last year, only because Westbrook got hurt. This year, we saw a more accurate representation of their ceiling - a team that can give a contender problems, but will ultimately lose. Some MLE guard or forward isnt gonna change that

How I wish we could give a contender problems...or make the playoffs. :(

This year they were injured going into the playoffs, and didn't have Z-Bo for game 7 against the Thunder in OKC. That is not an accurate depiction of who they are. They stay healthy during the season they aren't a 7 seed. They have Z-Bo in that one game, maybe they don't lose that series. Either way, not as bad a team as the picture paints.

It's like us, if we hadn't had so many injuries maybe we do squeeze out a few more wins and make the playoffs (at least that is the narrative around here). The players understand the system, and seem to know how to play together, what causes us to give us the benefit of the doubt but not the Grizz?

That said, I wonder how long this contract extension for Z-Bo is going to be. They would be crazy to handcuff themselves to him for another 5 years.

As of today I'm hearing for the right price the Cavs, Celtics, Lakers, Kings, Nuggets, Magic (12), & Suns willing to deal their lotto picks.

— Probasketballdraft (@Probballdraft) June 23, 2014

Not sure if this should go here or not

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

As of today I'm hearing for the right price the Cavs, Celtics, Lakers, Kings, Nuggets, Magic (12), & Suns willing to deal their lotto picks.

— Probasketballdraft (@Probballdraft) June 23, 2014

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If a player Dell thinks is an ideal long term fit for this team is available at 6, I could see a deal with the Celtics going down.

Dell can find free agents to replace in the short term guys who we assume are a part of his vision for this team because they're currently on the roster. What Dell can't find is the perfect front court player to pair with AD on a rookie scale contract for the next 4 years. If that guy is there and Dell can trade to get him, I expect Dell to do that, then spend free agency replacing the skill set of whoever he gives up to do it.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind getting Saric if he falls and stashing him a couple years. Bring him in on his rookie deal when AD is on his second contract. He'd come in and (hopefully) be able to start/immediately impact the team (and would be relatively cheap for 4 years).

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Honestly, I wouldn't mind getting Saric if he falls and stashing him a couple years. Bring him in on his rookie deal when AD is on his second contract. He'd come in and (hopefully) be able to start/immediately impact the team (and would be relatively cheap for 4 years).

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Would you do Ryno, Rivers, and unprotected 2015 pick for Wallace, 6, and 17?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Would you do Ryno, Rivers, and unprotected 2015 pick for Wallace, 6, and 17?

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Honestly, it depends who falls there to 6. But I would consider it. Is Wallace expiring... I forget if he's this year or next.

Supposedly boston loves rivers. Embiid at 6 anyone?

Dell would be gone inside a few months if he made such a move. It'd set us back quite a bit

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Honestly, it depends who falls there to 6. But I would consider it. Is Wallace expiring... I forget if he's this year or next.

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I think he has 2 years left

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Would you do Ryno, Rivers, and unprotected 2015 pick for Wallace, 6, and 17?

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Yes, embiid or vonleh at 6 and cleanthony at 17

I would not take Wallace's contract back. May be worse than Gordons.

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Honestly, it depends who falls there to 6. But I would consider it. Is Wallace expiring... I forget if he's this year or next.

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2 years left at 10 mil a year

So we should have wallace AND gordon on our paybook while giving away what would probably be a top 10 pick next year ryno and rivers for the rights to two rookies, one of which would probably be stashed for a year and another that would probably make a minuscule impact?

I hope dell is smarter than that.

Oh I thought he was expiring. Hell no then. No way would I want Wallace's deal AND Gordon's.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Dell would be gone inside a few months if he made such a move. It'd set us back quite a bit

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I don't think trading Rivers sets us back at all. So we're back to Ryan Anderson again.

I firmly believe that you can't say moving Ryan Anderson will set us back unless you know what Dell would do with 17, and what Dell's free agency plans are. You just can't do it. Dell could draft Vonleh and Cleanthony Early, sign Ariza for $19/3yrs, trade Pierre and Aminu to Brooklyn for Teletovic, and resign Morrow.

Couldn't that team compete for a playoff spot next season??

All I'm saying is you can't judge a draft day trade in a vacuum and assume the sky is falling.

What's this I'm hearing about us dangling Jrue Holiday for a pick? I haven't found anything on it, but someone said they have...

Could be nothing. Probably is nothing. But still...