2014 Playoffs - Geaux CP3

Ok so Marc Jackson is for the Heat and JVG is for the Spurs, and this other idiot is Switzerland.

The Heat are atleast making it interesting.

I wish I could mute the announcers but have all the other game sounds. They are as awful as this game is good.

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Originally Posted by Kibner

I wish I could mute the announcers but have all the other game sounds. They are as awful as this game is good.

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I think SVG is awesome. The other two, meh.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

I think SVG is awesome. The other two, meh.

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He's annoying when he gets ranty.

Did the Heat just give up?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Did the Heat just give up?

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I believe so. The Spurs are making the Heat look like the JV. The disparity in basketball IQ and execution is jarring.

It's also like the Heat are playing 4 on 6 out there. Chalmers is just...awful.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp-fKkYCYAEOYxe.jpg
Heh.

Great game so far. I love how no single player on the Spurs is having an amazing game, the entire team is having an amazing game.

MVP of the series is Boris Diaw. Heat have absolutely no answer for him. Go big, he goes around them, makes a great pass. Go small and don't double, he bulls his way to the bucket for a hoop and/or foul. Go small and double, he makes a great pass.

Take nothing away from Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, or Leonard. But Diaw is the key cog right now.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

MVP of the series is Boris Diaw. Heat have absolutely no answer for him. Go big, he goes around them, makes a great pass. Go small and don't double, he bulls his way to the bucket for a hoop and/or foul. Go small and double, he makes a great pass.

Take nothing away from Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, or Leonard. But Diaw is the key cog right now.

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You read my mind! I was actually coming in here to post that I think Diaw has been one of if not the best player for the Spurs this series.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

You read my mind! I was actually coming in here to post that I think Diaw has been one of if not the best player for the Spurs this series.

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I'm gonna agree with this. Watching the Spurs is always fun. But watching Diaw and Leonard has just been a complete joy.

I can agree with Diaw being the X factor, but if the Spurs win the next one, and Leonard has another game like he has had the prior two games, he will deservedly take home the MVP, and set himself up for next season when more will be thrust on him.

And when is somebody going to pass on to Kawhi that he needs to pull a Udonis Hasslem and get rid of those early 2000's played out corn rows? Shave um son!

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I can agree with Diaw being the X factor, but if the Spurs win the next one, and Leonard has another game like he has had the prior two games, he will deservedly take home the MVP, and set himself up for next season when more will be thrust on him.

And when is somebody going to pass on to Kawhi that he needs to pull a Udonis Hasslem and get rid of those early 2000's played out corn rows? Shave um son!

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I agree with you. Leonard will probably be MVP if he has another performance like games 3 and 4, and rightfully so.

Heat are done and I absolutely LOVE IT!!!!!

I find the Heat's body language very very disturbing for defending champs. I also find that Lebron is very accepting of this series being a loss. I get the impression that they take finals appearances for granted a bit at this point. I wanted a good series to start and it still may be, but i'm very perplexed by what's happening.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I find the Heat's body language very very disturbing for defending champs. I also find that Lebron is very accepting of this series being a loss. I get the impression that they take finals appearances for granted a bit at this point. I wanted a good series to start and it still may be, but i'm very perplexed by what's happening.

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Couldn't agree more. They seem almost content. But I guess four straight Finals appearances and two titles can do that to you.

mentally weak, just mentally weak, watch lebron go else where to get a better team around him because he doesn't deal with adversity. people talk about how he is carrying the team, but hey, 27 7 and 3, not much different than his season averages of 27 6 and 6.

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Originally Posted by jgman

mentally weak, just mentally weak, watch lebron go else where to get a better team around him because he doesn't deal with adversity. people talk about how he is carrying the team, but hey, 27 7 and 3, not much different than his season averages of 27 6 and 6.

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Don't see how this just falls on LeBron. At least he showed up unlike Bosh and Wade. If Reily is smart he's thinking of ways to move Wade (and perhaps Bosh) and keeping LeBron. Wade just doesn't seem to have it. If he can't conjure it on this stage you have to image it's mostly gone for good. Not sure the Heat aren't better off with two skilled roll players than Wade at this point in his career.

Bosh has shot over 60% in the series. If anything the Heat needed to get him more touches. Bosh has gotten 30 or so shots while Wade has taken over 50 and looked like crap on both sides of the ball in the process.

I know everyone is talking about the big three taking payouts and bringin Melo in but if I'm Wade I would say **** that and sign my player option. No way that guy sniffs half of what he would make next season playing the way he has and missing 28 games.

As for this series, Spo needs to gameplan around James, Bosh and Allen for the next game. Wade needs to be treated like a 4th option and bosh needs a lot more ran for him. Right now he is far and away their second best player and seems to be the most mentally competent of the big three based on their post game interviews. Wade and James seem checked out.

Yeah, Bosh and Lebron have looked decent. There shouldn't be much blame on Lebron. He had half his team's points at half time. The rest of his team shot 27% besides him tonight. I agree with the body language too. I don't know if it's just contentment but they just looked defeated even when down 12 in the second.

Wade and James are being forced to play (so far) without the benefit of superstar officiating which the have usually received. Good to great defense by San Antonio is being allowed to happen, so the free throws are not coming and the easy shots are not coming. They are getting annoyed at having to play against defense on every possession, because there is no point guard to get them shots in space.
On the offensive end, San Antonio is passing and catching the ball so fast that the usual trapping defense by Miami can't keep up. The lack of a bench is tiring out the core players for Miami, and they can't catch anybody.
San Antonio probably wishes that the MVP award could be skipped this year. Duncan, Leonard, Diaw, Parker, Mills, Ginobli, and Green have all made big contributions in various games. I have to lean toward Leonard due to his defense on LeBron and his explosion in the key Game 3.
I was glad to here SVG admit that several Western Conference teams would have been favored over Miami if they were to meet. I hope that the evenhanded officiating continues in Game 5 and SA gives Miami another beat-down. Then I hope we embrace Spurs-style basketball here in New Orleans.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I can agree with Diaw being the X factor, but if the Spurs win the next one, and Leonard has another game like he has had the prior two games, he will deservedly take home the MVP, and set himself up for next season when more will be thrust on him.

And when is somebody going to pass on to Kawhi that he needs to pull a Udonis Hasslem and get rid of those early 2000's played out corn rows? Shave um son!

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I guess we'll have to see how the next game plays out. Personally I think the argument for Duncan is stronger because he didn't disappear for two games. Right now I'd say Duncan has a slight edge, then Leonard and even though he'd never get it (because he didn't put up a ton of points) Diaw.

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Yeah I believe Diaw has a strong argument but he won't get it because this is as much a popularity contest as any, and so far Tim and Leonard have been the most talked about players.

A few totally random Finals thoughts:

1. It’s imperative to have great defense at the point of attack. Parker is blowing by his defender on a regular basis, which forces rotations and almost inevitably leaves a wide open 3 for the taking. Against an elite passing team like the Spurs, that’s a death wish.

The past 3 seasons, we’ve had Jack, Vasquez, and Roberts defending the point of attack. I’m so happy we have Jrue. He is one of the best in the league at defending the ball handler. Also (this goes without saying, but I’m going to say it anyway), AD’s length and athleticism allows him to be virtually at 2 places at once. With experience, he’ll be able to help and recover better than any big in the league. I know our defense sucks right now, but we have the personnel to be an elite defensive team. Imagine adding a guy like Tucker on the wing and moving Gordon to upgrade our third big. This group is close.

2. Other than James and Bosh, would anyone else on the Heat be on the floor in crunch time for the Pelicans? Phrased differently, at this point in their careers, is Wade better than Tyreke or a healthy Gordon?

3. This playoffs is showing why Ryno is so valuable. Boris Diaw and Rashard Lewis are both playing crucial roles in the playoffs because they can stretch the floor. Splitter has been relegated to the back burner, in the same way that Perkins was for OKC, and in the same way that Hibbert should have been for the Pacers. Like it or not, the stretch 4 is a necessity in today’s game. I agree that we need a third big so that we can play “big” when the matchup calls for it, but not at the expense of Ryno. I think he is critical to the future of our team, and it’s frustrating to see him thrown in every other trade proposal like he is nothing more than an asset to get Greg Monroe.

The more I watch the Spurs, the more I believe that Davis/Anderson frontcourt will be very effective. we just need to surround them with shooters, and make Evans our main ball handler/attack guy

You also need Danny Green. Reke might be awesome, but Green is a whole different underrated animal.

I'll just leave this here:


http://thebiglead.com/2014/06/13/dwy...-just-how-bad/

Everyone is talking about the Big three reworking their deals to accommodate Melo but after this season I think Wade would be foolish to opt out. No way Miami comes close to offering him close to the 42 million he is guaranteed if he just opts in the next two seasons. What with such a poor showing in the most important games and being injured 28 games. Heck I'm not sure any intelligent organization would offer that much either.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I'll just leave this here:


http://thebiglead.com/2014/06/13/dwy...-just-how-bad/

Everyone is talking about the Big three reworking their deals to accommodate Melo but after this season I think Wade would be foolish to opt out. No way Miami comes close to offering him close to the 42 million he is guaranteed if he just opts in the next two seasons. What with such a poor showing in the most important games and being injured 28 games. Heck I'm not sure any intelligent organization would offer that much either.

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I made this point to my buddy last night. If you're Wade, why would you opt out of potentially 40 million. I personally think he (and i would too) accept his extension and tell Lebron, whatever you do, I understand. This is Wade's life we're talking about and leaving probably 20-25 million on the table towards the back end of your career would be foolish. His legacy is set whether he doesn't win another one or if he wins 1 more (which i don't think happens in Mia).

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I made this point to my buddy last night. If you're Wade, why would you opt out of potentially 40 million. I personally think he (and i would too) accept his extension and tell Lebron, whatever you do, I understand. This is Wade's life we're talking about and leaving probably 20-25 million on the table towards the back end of your career would be foolish. His legacy is set whether he doesn't win another one or if he wins 1 more (which i don't think happens in Mia).

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Agreed. I think this offseason is going to be pretty interesting for the Heat. I feel Lebron is gonna see the tape and once again get frustrated at Wade's injuries and now declining play/effort and it could make for some interesting drama.

I honestly think if Lebron really wants Melo him and Bosh are gonna have to be the ones to opt out and take a pay cut because I can't imagine why Wade would.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I guess we'll have to see how the next game plays out. Personally I think the argument for Duncan is stronger because he didn't disappear for two games. Right now I'd say Duncan has a slight edge, then Leonard and even though he'd never get it (because he didn't put up a ton of points) Diaw.

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Kawhi was in foul trouble the 1st 2 games not sure if that is the same as disappearing, but I agree Duncan has to be up there as far as Finals MVP he's been steady all 4 games.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Kawhi was in foul trouble the 1st 2 games not sure if that is the same as disappearing, but I agree Duncan has to be up there as far as Finals MVP he's been steady all 4 games.

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Sure. I know it was due to foul trouble but I don't see that as an excuse. Gotta keep yourself out of it. But, if he has a monster game on Sunday I can see the argument. Depends on Duncan too though. Next game will be exciting.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Sure. I know it was due to foul trouble but I don't see that as an excuse. Gotta keep yourself out of it. But, if he has a monster game on Sunday I can see the argument. Depends on Duncan too though. Next game will be exciting.

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In fairness to Leonard, at least two of those fouls in game two were utterly bull**** calls. And you can't do anything about refs making bad calls on you.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

In fairness to Leonard, at least two of those fouls in game two were utterly bull**** calls. And you can't do anything about refs making bad calls on you.

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True story. Leonard was put in a no success situation by the refs. Those fouls are not called in any other game, and he is fine. I will give you game 1 though, he was MIA in that one.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

True story. Leonard was put in a no success situation by the refs. Those fouls are not called in any other game, and he is fine. I will give you game 1 though, he was MIA in that one.

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That's not an argument. So 2 calls were bad. He still put himself into the situation where bad calls take him out of the game. Other players had bad calls too. If the argument is for MVP of the finals you can't allow yourself to be taken out of the game due to bad calls.

Fair enough ticky tack calls happen, they just so happened to be during the finals (que la vie). He disappeared in two games but has emerged as the probable MVP of the series (should he follow the past two games with a similar performance).

Another guy who has had a monster series on the level of Diaw and Leonard has been Green. 11/2/2/1 against the mighty DWade and anyone else Miami throws at him.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

That's not an argument. So 2 calls were bad. He still put himself into the situation where bad calls take him out of the game. Other players had bad calls too. If the argument is for MVP of the finals you can't allow yourself to be taken out of the game due to bad calls.

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It is an argument. Kawhi could do about as much about the refs throwing BS fouls on him as Lebron could about his cramps. It was out of their control.

Kawhi was called for a charge on what was clearly a blocking foul, one where he was actually fouled by another player before he even made contact with Lewis during his drive. Then he was getting called for just breathing on Lebron. Literally. Didn't even touch Lebron and was assessed a touch foul. Then there was the out of control Lebron travel in the fourth which led to Kawhi's sixth foul when he once again never touched him.

On the other end of that game the Heat were getting away with flops left and right and playing very physical on defense.

It all comes down to consistency. 3 of the 4 games the refs have been very even and carried the same tone of letting the players play physical, play tough and not bog them down with ticky tack fouls. Game 2 was the deviation from that and suddenly the way SA played defense against the Heat was getting foul calls on the most ticky tack infractions(and even non-infractions) in the second game and the refs were falling for flops and seeing too many phantom penalties.




...As for the first game though, Kawhi just played poorly.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Sure. I know it was due to foul trouble but I don't see that as an excuse. Gotta keep yourself out of it. But, if he has a monster game on Sunday I can see the argument. Depends on Duncan too though. Next game will be exciting.

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the finals mvp is diaw and poppovic for inserting him into the starting line up :) the second (or third) one is kawhi

LeBron has to be a lead by example guy. Cuz he doesn't inspire with his words, that's for sure.

I knew the Heat would come out in a flurry. Spurs withstood that and i think they'll take the game now they survived that.

Wonder why Coach Spo didn't play Beasley more. The regulars looked gased and defeated.

Today is a good day....:D

I guess KL is the Finals MVP?

Kawhi Leonard sure looked like a #1 option to me.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Today is a good day....:D

I guess KL is the Finals MVP?

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KEVIN LOVE?!

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

KEVIN LOVE?!

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Has he even ever played in a playoff game?

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Has he even ever played in a playoff game?

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NBA2K maybe.

Hopefully if the Heat do lose to the Spurs maybe it'll discourage the current trend of superstars getting together to win rings because in the end, the Spurs are showing that chemistry, personnel, culture, good coaching, and good drafting can still get the job done. Kudos to Timmy D!

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Originally Posted by wuggie

Hopefully if the Heat do lose to the Spurs maybe it'll discourage the current trend of superstars getting together to win rings because in the end, the Spurs are showing that chemistry, personnel, culture, good coaching, and good drafting can still get the job done. Kudos to Timmy D!

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How so the Heat have two titles and 4 straight Finals appearances this union was a success.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

How so the Heat have two titles and 4 straight Finals appearances this union was a success.

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While it was a success the Heat lacked some of the qualities that Spurs had that blowed the Heat out in this finals. And also usually chemistry, player growth and development are some of the sacrifices of forcing superstars together. It probably won't stop it but it should definitely make GMs see the other side of the coin again.

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Originally Posted by wuggie

While it was a success the Heat lacked some of the qualities that Spurs had that blowed the Heat out in this finals. And also usually chemistry, player growth and development are some of the sacrifices of forcing superstars together. It probably won't stop it but it should definitely make GMs see the other side of the coin again.

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2/4 in four years as opposed to 1/2 in four years. Hmmm...



Anyway, I think this Spurs team has to go down as one of the best teams ever. They were excellent at defense, unstoppable on offense, and just so damn versatile. Also, one of the best sport coaches in history.