Game Thread: Lakers @ Hornets

20-0 run with our best defensive players on the bench, Davis and Aminu.

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Originally Posted by Eazy-P

I feel the same way. The number 1 overall pick should not be on the bench during a crucial stretch in the 4th quarter.

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Crucial stretch?? How about the ENTIRE 4th quarter lol

Who knows, maybe next year Monty can have this years #1 and next years #1 on the bench in the crunch.

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Originally Posted by Daneman

Rivers out 4-6 with broken hand, per WoJo

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Out of everything that happen tonight this is the worse news he was playing so well. Get well soon AR

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Originally Posted by Eazy-P

I feel the same way. The number 1 overall pick should not be on the bench during a crucial stretch in the 4th quarter.

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I feel like I'm in the twilight zone with this Monty character

Aminu has really stepped up his game, and I think he can be one of the top 3 defenders in the game. His shots are dropping better. If he could get down the 3 ball, he could be a top 10 sf.

It's amazing how fast they came back with that Rivers diagnosis. They don't usually come back with that kind of diagnosis on game night. :huh2: We usually have to wait at least a day or so. All aboard the train I guess.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

The Landry trade occurred before West's injury and the team was only playing .500 ball after the trade even before West went down. No one predicted West would get injured and that trade didn't make the team better. Gray was in shape all season. It was the year before he was out of shape. Okafor and Ariza are complimentary players and Okafor is playing solid this season. This team mostly won because of having CP3 for a full season. CP3 is a top 5 player in this league and controls the game like no one else can.

Its obvious you don't know the facts since you said the team won a 1st round series that year when they were only the 7th seed and lost in the first round to the Lakers. The only reason the team won two games in that series was due to CP3 having monster games.

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Man go back in my thread and point out where I said that the trade came after West's injury.....stop putting words in my mouth. I said that the trade was beneficial in terms of the long term play since we ended up missing West. We needed Landry there more than we needed Thornton. Gray's "shape story" came the season prior but him getting in shape did nothing to cover up him not being an athlete and being able to hang with younger athletic Centers in the game. Anyone can throw up facts which is what you are attempting to do. How about you do this....Since my whole premise from the beginning was that nobody was asking for Monty's head through all of the bad things that we had to endure that was out of his control....how about you pull your head out of the Hornets facts book to look at what posters are really saying?

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

It's amazing how fast they came back with that Rivers diagnosis. They don't usually come back with that kind of diagnosis on game night. :huh2:

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Well when the tank is on, you pull out all the stops.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans_fan_504

Out of everything that happen tonight this is the worse news he was playing so well. Get well soon AR

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now that I've kinda settled down and thought about it... 4-6 weeks is basically the rest of the season

guess next time we see AR25 on the court... he'll be wearing a Pelicans uniform

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

It's amazing how fast they came back with that Rivers diagnosis. They don't usually come back with that kind of diagnosis on game night. :huh2: We usually have to wait at least a day or so. All aboard the train I guess.

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or 1.5 years.

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

It's amazing how fast they came back with that Rivers diagnosis. They don't usually come back with that kind of diagnosis on game night. :huh2: We usually have to wait at least a day or so. All aboard the train I guess.

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:hihi:

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U do see why I said that right?? Pls go bk n read the conversation between me n the troll on here before u draw conclusions

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Reasons are irrelevant.

I hate the joking about the T-word.


I think I have a problem.


And the problem is the T-word.

for those who still like blaming NBA reffing... have fun w/ this

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Jim Eichenhofer‏@Jim_Eichenhofer
At 0:26, Robin Lopez dunk was blocked by D.Howard on crucial play. Was it a foul? Lopez: "Who knows? I wanted the foul. It didn't happen."

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Reasons are irrelevant.

I hate the joking about the T-word.


I think I have a problem.


And the problem is the T-word.

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People like the top picks, but don't realize teams that consistently gets top picks never go anywhere. Sooner or later you have to win games, and my theory is, you win as many games as soon as possible.

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Originally Posted by rt0307

for those who still like blaming NBA reffing... have fun w/ this

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That particular call could've gone either way. But I do know that Davis's two quick fouls were ticky tack.

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

Man go back in my thread and point out where I said that the trade came after West's injury.....stop putting words in my mouth. I said that the trade was beneficial in terms of the long term play since we ended up missing West. We needed Landry there more than we needed Thornton. Gray's "shape story" came the season prior but him getting in shape did nothing to cover up him not being an athlete and being able to hang with younger athletic Centers in the game. Anyone can throw up facts which is what you are attempting to do. How about you do this....Since my whole premise from the beginning was that nobody was asking for Monty's head through all of the bad things that we had to endure that was out of his control....how about you pull your head out of the Hornets facts book to look at what posters are really saying?

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I'm curious to know why u somehow thought we won the 1st round that year. Doesn't sound like a true hornets follower js

Howard got his 4th foul 2 minutes into the 3rd. he played the rest of the game only getting 1 foul. Bull****.

Before that he had like 10 minutes of playing time and 3 fouls... bull****.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Reasons are irrelevant.

I hate the joking about the T-word.


I think I have a problem.


And the problem is the T-word.

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Care to explain Monty drawing up plays for Vasquez in late game situations then?? Cause that's the only conclusion I can come up with.

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

God forbid I root for him to do good. Meanwhile you love it when he has a bad game

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You are just being a blind homer. We know you love him, but you have to be real. He isn't that good. Totally below average starter, and above average-to-good backup. Everyone is rooting for him to do well. Why wouldn't we? If he does well, and you like him, then you are justified. If he does well, and you dislike him, then he is increasing his trade value. Don't come in here with your self righteous BS.

You are new to the board, so I'm trying not to get into it with you, but you really need to try to see things for what they are. Vasquez just isn't as good as you want him to be. It's cool too root for the underdog, but you don't have any facts to support your argument. How can we respect your opinion like that?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Is 31.2% usage better than 23%? Or TO ratio going from 11.87% to 4.96% not good?

Who threw the ball inbounds tonight in those last few seconds? Was it GV? Go get mad at that guy.

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Haha, usage rate just means how much you hog the ball. So, basically, Vasquez turns into a supreme ball hog at the end of the game, which correlates directly with what we are saying about his hero ball antics. Also, a higher defensive rating is bad, so I don't know why you are pointing to his 120 DRtg as a positive haha. You lose.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

People like the top picks, but don't realize teams that consistently gets top picks never go anywhere. Sooner or later you have to win games, and my theory is, you win as many games as soon as possible.

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Not when u make the right pick. Bobcats for example. They can't seem to draft the right guy for nothing. Jordan blows as a gm.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Care to explain Monty drawing up plays for Vasquez in late game situations then?? Cause that's the only conclusion I can come up with.

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If that really is the case then I want Monty gone yesterday. You play to win. Bottom line. The moment a loss is a desired outcome. You're The Walking Dead. Just like Aminu. A brainless entity only out to consume and fester and rot.


Also. Thank god Game of Thrones is coming back soon...

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Howard got his 4th foul 2 minutes into the 3rd. he played the rest of the game only getting 1 foul. Bull****.

Before that he had like 10 minutes of playing time and 3 fouls... bull****.

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We stopped attacking. We should have went right at him immediately after he got his fourth.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I'm curious to know why u somehow thought we won the 1st round that year. Doesn't sound like a true hornets follower js

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Lol that's the measure of a "true fan"?

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Originally Posted by Daneman

We stopped attacking. We should have went right at him immediately after he got his fourth.

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I hate when the team doesn't take advantage of those kinds of situations.

We are winning and showing progress. We aren't the Wizards or bobcats. We actually have a crew that can win, we are just young.

Bring on the ping pong balls.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

If that really is the case then I want Monty gone yesterday. You play to win. Bottom line. The moment a loss is a desired outcome. You're The Walking Dead. Just like Aminu. A brainless entity only out to consume and fester and rot.


Also. Thank god Game of Thrones is coming back soon...

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:hihi: put me in the mindless wonder who's glad tonight is the new Duck Dynasty episode

I hate how our fanbase is so conspiracy driven and blames the refs all the time. We suck. Face it. And our coach sucks at managing games, or is tanking on purpose, in which case he may be a secret genius.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Haha, usage rate just means how much you hog the ball. So, basically, Vasquez turns into a supreme ball hog at the end of the game, which correlates directly with what we are saying about his hero ball antics. Also, a higher defensive rating is bad, so I don't know why you are pointing to his 120 DRtg as a positive haha. You lose.

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Yes. I suppose i did.

Now how about that Gordon guy? he really earned his contract tonight huh?

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I hate how our fanbase is so conspiracy driven and blames the refs all the time. We suck. Face it. And our coach sucks at managing games, or is tanking on purpose, in which case he may be a secret genius.

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Not all the time, but you're either blind or crazy if you don't think it exists at all.

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

I hate when the team doesn't take advantage of those kinds of situations.

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I called it when he got his 4th. I said the refs will not call howard on another foul. He got his 5th with 1 minute to play or something. Refs in the NBA influence the outcome of games far to much, and the Lakers, Thunder, and Heat are biggest beneficiaries of the system.

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

Not all the time, but you're either blind or crazy if you don't think it exists at all.

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You're either blind or crazy to think it doesn't happen to every team. I get the nba refs suck in general but I think they suck for everyone.

I feel comfortable blaming refs. Since the Tim Donaghy bit. And the Refs CBA with them fighting not to have gambling restricted in their contracts http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3079309.I will gladly carry that banner if you wont.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I hate how our fanbase is so conspiracy driven and blames the refs all the time. We suck. Face it. And our coach sucks at managing games, or is tanking on purpose, in which case he may be a secret genius.

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Crappy refs is a fact of sports. They get in the way at the worst times. But I don't really believe they're actively trying to force certain outcomes. I think their incompetence is just that great it works out to look that way.

We had a 22 point lead. You even heard the announcers say the Lakers were just gonna shoot 3s to get back into the game. And we did stupid crap like leaving Jodie Meeks open for 3 all game.

And it keeps happening. Take SOMETHING away. Either take away Dwight in the post or run everyone off the 3pt line. They got everything when the game mattered. And what the hell ever happened to Smite a Dwight? We have a whole fresh body just ripe to rack up fouls in the clutch in Henry Sims and force Dwight to win it from the foul line. Why not use him?

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I called it when he got his 4th. I said the refs will not call howard on another foul. He got his 5th with 1 minute to play or something. Refs in the NBA influence the outcome of games far to much, and the Lakers, Thunder, and Heat are biggest beneficiaries of the system.

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Yes. If I didn't like the game of basketball so much I probably wouldn't watch at all. I do ask myself often though why do I even bother. I told myself this morning that the Lakers will not be allowed to lose to the Hornets after losing to OKC last night. I posted in the thread when the team was up a sizeable margin that I would not allow myself to get excited. I kind of was getting excited anyway though and look what happened.

Why is it that when a rookie is fouled, people say 'oh, rookies don't get that call'. Why not? If it's a foul, why not call it, whether he's a rook or a 10 year vet. Why not call it? That's a bunch of crock. On Sunday when the Knicks were playing the Heat, James White got called for 2 quick, silly fouls. Jeff Van Gundy said he got those fouls because the refs looked at him and said "I don't know who you are". LMBO. What kind of crap is that?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Crappy refs is a fact of sports. They get in the way at the worst times. But I don't really believe they're actively trying to force certain outcomes. I think their incompetence is just that great it works out to look that way.

We had a 22 point lead. You even heard the announcers say the Lakers were just gonna shoot 3s to get back into the game. And we did stupid crap like leaving Jodie Meeks open for 3 all game.

And it keeps happening. Take SOMETHING away. Either take away Dwight in the post or run everyone off the 3pt line. They got everything when the game mattered. And what the hell ever happened to Smite a Dwight? We have a whole fresh body just ripe to rack up fouls in the clutch in Henry Sims and force Dwight to win it from the foul line. Why not use him?

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I approve this message. Lets point out the fact that during that 20-0 run, we could have had a guy shoot from half court for all of those possessions and make one thus altering the game differently. One made basket before 2 minute mark changes the outlook of the game drastically. Did the out of bounds call have impeccable timing ? Sure. Do the refs have a buzzer that goes off if Utah loses to make la lose ? No. Us not scoring and failing to play d is what lost the game.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Yes. I suppose i did.

Now how about that Gordon guy? he really earned his contract tonight huh?

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Gordon is still rusty. You can see it. Monty and Gordon both admitted it the other day. Nobody is claiming Gordon is setting the world on fire. In fact, Monty said that Gordon is knocking the rust off this season, and he expects him to break out next season for us. So, again... You lose.


On a side note, River was +16, and Davis was +6. The next closest relevant player was Aminu at -2, and Vasquez led the tank with -18.

Yay Vasquez!!!

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

You're either blind or crazy to think it doesn't happen to every team. I get the nba refs suck in general but I think they suck for everyone.

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I didn't say it didn't happen to every team. I'm sure it does. It still might happen to more than it does to others though. But you're crazy if you think Donaghy was the only one. I still ask myself to this day why the league didn't do something about Scott Foster when Donaghy placed countless calls to him before and after many games. I don't think he was doing that because they were bff's.

ETA: I didn't totally place all blame on the refs tonight. Monty killed this game.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Gordon is still rusty. You can see it. Monty and Gordon both admitted it the other day. Nobody is claiming Gordon is setting the world on fire. In fact, Monty said that Gordon is knocking the rust off this season, and he expects him to break out next season for us. So, again... You lose.


On a side note, River was +16, and Davis was +6. The next closest relevant player was Aminu at -2, and Vasquez led the tank with -18.

Yay Vasquez!!!

:hihi:

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Yeah, I suppose I do lose.

You want to beat the drum anymore or change the subject?

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

I didn't say it didn't happen to every team. I'm sure it does. It still might happen to more than it does to others though. But you're crazy if you think Donaghy was the only one. I still ask myself to this day why the league didn't do something about Scott Foster when Donaghy placed countless calls to him before and after many games. I don't think he was doing that because they were bff's.

ETA: I didn't totally place all blame on the refs tonight. Monty killed this game.

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Oh I think it's proven about the refs but I don't think widespread game changing calls based off of point shavings are prevalent in today's nba.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Gordon is still rusty. You can see it. Monty and Gordon both admitted it the other day. Nobody is claiming Gordon is setting the world on fire. In fact, Monty said that Gordon is knocking the rust off this season, and he expects him to break out next season for us. So, again... You lose.


On a side note, River was +16, and Davis was +6. The next closest relevant player was Aminu at -2, and Vasquez led the tank with -18.

Yay Vasquez!!!

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Lol Nola, u know that's stats aren't fair to use ESP tonight.

ESP when the entire team sucked it up.

I swear, I saw a straw at center court, and every guy on the team took 5 min sucking from it.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Oh I think it's proven about the refs but I don't think widespread game changing calls based off of point shavings are prevalent in today's nba.

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Well good. Keep on keeping the faith.

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

Lol that's the measure of a "true fan"?

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No it's not but if ur gonna come on here and argue points about a team I'd like to think u would know what this team has done in last couple years specifically the year ur gonna argue about...smdh

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Yeah, I suppose I do lose.

You want to beat the drum anymore or change the subject?

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Hey man, I'm good with not talking Vasquez anymore. It seems like you or someone else brings him up in every thread though, and once I see it, it's hard for me to ignore it.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Lol Nola, u know that's stats aren't fair to use ESP tonight.

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Haha ;)

Actually, I didn't bring up GV until somebody else was asking me why I wasn't talking about him (during a point in the game when he was doing well).

I didn't feel it was necessary then, and I don't feel its necessary now. I am trying to help improve the conversation on this board.

But enough about me, what about you? I see from your avatar you like {mod edit}:hihi:

Oh boy.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Actually, I didn't bring up GV until somebody else was asking me why I wasn't talking about him (during a point in the game when he was doing well).

I didn't feel it was necessary then, and I don't feel its necessary now. I am trying to help improve the conversation on this board.

But enough about me, what about you? I see from your avatar you like {mod edit}:hihi:

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That's cold man haha. For real though, I saw that, and thought it was a crazy premonition that they were both on an old cover listed as the "future" of the NBA. Top prospects coming out of high school, and we got them both? Still pinching myself...

That is pretty crazy (wasn't AR the #1 prospect at the time?). At least your just pinching yourself having the top 2 prospects on your team, Monty is crapping the bed with them on his.

Who knows, maybe this draft we will land Shabazz and have this last recruiting class' #1 player.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

That is pretty crazy (wasn't AR the #1 prospect at the time?).

Who knows, maybe this draft we will land Shabazz and have this last recruiting class' #1 player.

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Yea with how ar is improving I'm sold on drafting sf or Len at C. Only Len if we r gonna draft C other wise draft sf which has quite a few to choose from.