[Official - trade complete] Hornets Trying to Land RFA Lopez from the Suns {merged}

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Originally Posted by eballa1

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ss...cquire_ro.html

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this article says miller's contract is going back to minn, i thought 42 someone in here said previously that that could not happen?

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Originally Posted by sfernald

Which ones don't you think are realistic? The Lopez one definitely, but besides that? Ryan averaged 8 last year rounding up and the smith numbers are the same as last year. So that just leave's Davis. You don't think Davis will be a top 10 rebounder next year?

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Our frontcourt isn't going to average 32rpg by themselves. Individually on different teams, they may be capable of those numbers, but together on this team.. that ain't happening.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow

dyson being sent to the wolves.

and the hornets receive cash, interesting.

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So we got the cash to pay Warrick's salary this year maybe?

DEAL IS DONE!

i guess demps is content with brian roberts being our 3rd pg.

Cash considerations too?! Demps is the man.

How can we trade Miller to Minny

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Originally Posted by Vinny6420

How can we trade Miller to Minny

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Maybe you can trade a players contract back. I don't know.

Nor honestly, do I care...:hihi:

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow

i guess demps is content with brian roberts being our 3rd pg.

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I think I would be too...

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Originally Posted by sfernald

So we got the cash to pay Warrick's salary this year maybe?

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i dont know how much $$$ it will be, but i doubt it will be enough to buy out the rest of his contract, since we are in a transition year, it wouldnt benefit us just to either let warrick's contract play out, and use our team option next year, or trade him come feb/march.

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Originally Posted by Vinny6420

How can we trade Miller to Minny

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He is going to Phoenix !

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Originally Posted by ramsters60

I think I would be too...

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i dont have a problem with it either.

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Originally Posted by eballa1

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ss...cquire_ro.html

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Here's the source. It's the same AP article. I just posted the link instead of the WHOLE article.

I think the media are still getting the details wrong but the AP says its done.

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ss..._river_default

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Our frontcourt isn't going to average 32rpg by themselves. Individually on different teams, they may be capable of those numbers, but together on this team.. that ain't happening.

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Yeah, might be a little high. Chicago front court (asik, boozer, noah, gibson) got about thirty though. They were the best as far as I know. Minutes and stats will probably be sacrificed by Smith and Lopez though.

Did someone mention me?
http://static.bkref.com/images/players/smithst01.jpg

The Timberwolves are not going to keep Cunningham, who they got in a trade from Memphis. Option for New Orleans?

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Originally Posted by eballa1

Here's the source. It's the same AP article. I just posted the link instead of the WHOLE article.

I think the media are still getting the details wrong but the AP says its done.

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Not really reliable IMO, how is Brad Miller going back to Minny?

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Originally Posted by joetzeng

Not really reliable IMO, how is Brad Miller going back to Minny?

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the article has to be wrong about that part, he must be going to suns.

Been away for a bit. Just to clear things up; is the deal done? And if so what are specifics? Apologize in advance for being lazy and not digging through 33 pages.

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Originally Posted by joetzeng

Not really reliable IMO, how is Brad Miller going back to Minny?

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Hes not gpoing to Minny, hes going to PHX !

Lopez ain't starting. he is what he is, a 5 million a year rotation big. His playing time will depend largely on matchups If we are playing the Lakers, whoever Howard ends up with, Washington, Phoenix, Memphis, etc he probably gets 20-25 minutes. If we are playing OKC, San Antonio, Cleveland he probably gets closer to 15 because Anderson/Davis can guard the Diaws, Perkins, Ibakas, Varajeo's of the world. If we play Miami, he might not get off the bench at all! Pretty much the same way Miami uses Joel Anthony, or the way OKC uses Perkins. Difference w/ OKC is they are paying Perk 10 mill and we are paying Lopez 5 mill. Big difference there, win for us! Also, those frontcourt minutes will include some at the "3." Whether it's Anderson or Davis playing SF, there will be minutes in there for big lineups vs., say, the Lakers. Can Anderson guard Artest? yep. Why can't you run a Lopez-Davis-Anderson frontcourt?

Also, a blanket statement saying Anderson "can't play defense on the 3" or "Can't play defense on the 5" are stupid arguements, because every team is different. Can he guard Rudy Gay or Iguadala or Durant? no. Can he guard Chandler Parsons? Shawn Marion? Gerald Wallace? Jared Dudley? Whoever Charlotte, Orlando, Detroit, or Cleveland puts on the floor? Probably. Bynum, Howard, Gasol? No. Can he guard Perkins, Joel Anthony, Whoever Charlotte, Detroit, Cleveland or Orlando puts on the floor? yeah, probably so.

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Originally Posted by sfernald

Yeah, might be a little high. Chicago front court (asik, boozer, noah, gibson) got about thirty though. They were the best as far as I know. Minutes and stats will probably be sacrificed by Smith and Lopez though.

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The Bulls are the best rebounding team the league. The 4 guys you listed ALL have great rebounding rates. Smith and Lopez are considered poor rebounders for their position. I think it's unrealistic to believe that they would make a big improvement all of a sudden at this stage in their careers.

We'll be a better rebounding team but if our tempo is slow as last season, I don't expect this team to average more than 41-43rpg at most.

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

Been away for a bit. Just to clear things up; is the deal done? And if so what are specifics? Apologize in advance for being lazy and not digging through 33 pages.

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ill c&p my post from last page and tweak it with updates:

i think the deal is agreed upon but the hold up is that the deal cannot be official until our team doctors give lopez a physical.

this could change but the latest i saw as far as details was hornets get lopez + warrick (pretty much an expiring contract), suns get wes johnson, minn's 1st and brad miller's contract, minn gets cap space and 2 future 2nd rounders.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow

ill c&p my post from last page and tweak it with updates:

i think the deal is agreed upon but the hold up is that the deal cannot be official until our team doctors give lopez a physical.

this could change but the latest i saw as far as details was hornets get lopez + warrick (pretty much an expiring contract), suns get wes johnson, minn's 1st and brad miller's contract, minn gets cap space and 2 future 2nd rounders.

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Thanks bro.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

The Timberwolves are not going to keep Cunningham, who they got in a trade from Memphis. Option for New Orleans?

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Source?

Whether or not a player 'starts' is irrelevant. Just like people focus way too much on positions. It's what he can contribute and how many minutes he gets. And here's the thing: none of us know any of that right now. Let's just sit back and let the season unfold.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

We'll be a better rebounding team but if our tempo is slow as last season, I don't expect this team to average more than 41-43rpg at most.

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what????? we averaged 41rpg last season. i think its safe to say we have improved in that area.

So we are getting Robin for 15 mill over 3 years while Brooklyn is paying Brook 60 mill over 4 years...great job Demps.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Poster

Whether or not a player 'starts' is irrelevant. Just like people focus way too much on positions. It's what he can contribute and how many minutes he gets. And here's the thing: none of us know any of that right now. Let's just sit back and let the season unfold.

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unknown.....for once i agree with you, and have been trying to get this point across for a while now.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow

what????? we averaged 41rpg last season. i think its safe to say we have improved in that area.

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That's the absolute low.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow

i gotcha, but still you think we only improved 2rpg?

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43rpg would put the team in the top 10 in most years. Even during our peak in 06-07, we averaged 43. Unless they land a great rebounder outside of Davis, I can't imagine the team exceeding 43 average.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

That's the absolute low.

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you are probably right, just realizing that 44rpb would be one of the better rebounding teams. i just hope we would do better than last year.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow

unknown.....for once i agree with you, and have been trying to get this point across for a while now.

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I just find it hilarious this thread has somehow managed to bloat to thirty plus pages. Prior to this deal the Hornets have made no shortage of amazing off-season acquisitions/trades and people still feel the need to manufacture news/over analyze the tiniest of statistical anomalies. Even if this trade goes through I'm sure there will still be a steady stream of nonsensical threads arguing how we still lack X, Y, and Z -- scrutinizing Johnny McScrubo the fourth tier bench warmer and how his presence/absence will factor in an additional 0.426 wins to the team.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and not post if there's nothing relevant or newsworthy to say.

:injured::3monk::3monk2::3stooges:

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Originally Posted by mriguy

So we are getting Robin for 15 mill over 3 years while Brooklyn is paying Brook 60 mill over 4 years...great job Demps.

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Like I saw someone else post, we are getting the genetic copy of a Max deal 7 footer lol

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Originally Posted by Unknown Poster

I just find it hilarious this thread has somehow managed to bloat to thirty plus pages. Prior to this deal the Hornets have made no shortage of amazing off-season acquisitions/trades and people still feel the need to manufacture news/over analyze the tiniest of statistical anomalies. Even if this trade goes through I'm sure there will still be a steady stream of nonsensical threads arguing how we still lack X, Y, and Z -- scrutinizing Johnny McScrubo the fourth tier bench warmer and how his presence/absence will factor in an additional 0.426 wins to the team.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and not post if there's nothing relevant or newsworthy to say.

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There's a site for that. H247.com

Updated stories ... still some details being worked out:

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ss...acquiring.html

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/82...s-3-team-trade

The CBA states you can trade a player to a team that traded him away during that season, July 1 - June 30. I mentions no special rule for a situation like Brad's. If there is such a rule, fine. It does not affect us a lick.

The resources on this are imperfect. Does anyone have experience in this?

I also thought we couldn't aggregate his salary with that of another for 60 days, but that seems to be tossed out too if we are getting Warrick. There a few things here that are odd, and they may be misreported or 'wrinkles' involving Miller's contract.

We just don't have the means to send out Miller and Dyson separately and take back Warrick and Lopez's reported deal without aggreagation since Dyson's deal is small. Separate deals would have to 'work' on their own.

A rapid succession of nonsimultaneous deals don't create enough bandwidth.

I'm dying to see how this is worked out or if there's a missing piece.

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Originally Posted by LoCo89

Like I saw someone else post, we are getting the genetic copy of a Max deal 7 footer lol

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Yeah...and we only have to pay 33 cents on every dollar that Brooklyn is paying. i know Brook is a better player but is he 10 mill more per year better...He doesn't even average 10 rebounds per game....If Demps keeps making moves like this, we really could be contending for the title in 2014.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Poster

I just find it hilarious this thread has somehow managed to bloat to thirty plus pages. Prior to this deal the Hornets have made no shortage of amazing off-season acquisitions/trades and people still feel the need to manufacture news/over analyze the tiniest of statistical anomalies. Even if this trade goes through I'm sure there will still be a steady stream of nonsensical threads arguing how we still lack X, Y, and Z -- scrutinizing Johnny McScrubo the fourth tier bench warmer and how his presence/absence will factor in an additional 0.426 wins to the team.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and not post if there's nothing relevant or newsworthy to say.

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ESPN is reporting the deal is done. Warrick and lopez to NO WJ to Phoenix brad miller and two seconds to MIN. They just need to do physicals and all that jargon but its basically a done deal unless someone fails a physical.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow

ill c&p my post from last page and tweak it with updates:

i think the deal is agreed upon but the hold up is that the deal cannot be official until our team doctors give lopez a physical.

this could change but the latest i saw as far as details was hornets get lopez + warrick (pretty much an expiring contract), suns get wes johnson, minn's 1st and brad miller's contract, minn gets cap space and 2 future 2nd rounders.

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Don't underestimate the importance of the physical. Lopez has a bad back and has had some knee injuries. Not a gimme.

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Originally Posted by sfernald

Don't underestimate the importance of the physical. Lopez has a bad back and has had some knee injuries. Not a gimme.

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Didn't all those injuries happen in 2010?

O and ill miss you JD!!

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Originally Posted by 42

The CBA states you can trade a player to a team that traded him away during that season, July 1 - June 30. I mentions no special rule for a situation like Brad's. If there is such a rule, fine. It does not affect us a lick.

The resources on this are imperfect. Does anyone have experience in this?

I also thought we couldn't aggregate his salary with that of another for 60 days, but that seems to be tossed out too if we are getting Warrick. There a few things here that are odd, and they may be misreported or 'wrinkles' involving Miller's contract.

We just don't have the means to send out Miller and Dyson separately and take back Warrick and Lopez's reported deal without aggreagation since Dyson's deal is small. Separate deals would have to 'work' on their own.

A rapid succession of nonsimultaneous deals don't create enough bandwidth.

I'm dying to see how this is worked out or if there's a missing piece.

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NOLA.com story is reporting that the Hornets are receiving CASH from Minnesota as well. Is that the missing component?

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

The Bulls are the best rebounding team the league. The 4 guys you listed ALL have great rebounding rates. Smith and Lopez are considered poor rebounders for their position. I think it's unrealistic to believe that they would make a big improvement all of a sudden at this stage in their careers.

We'll be a better rebounding team but if our tempo is slow as last season, I don't expect this team to average more than 41-43rpg at most.

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Aminu and Vasquez also rebound at a very high rate for their positions, especially Aminu. Aminu might have the best rebound rate in the league at the 3.

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Originally Posted by DavidA

Aminu and Vasquez also rebound at a very high rate for their positions, especially Aminu. Aminu might have the best rebound rate in the league at the 3.

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He does. But that balances out with Gordon's poor rebounding rate does it not?

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Originally Posted by Unknown Poster

I just find it hilarious this thread has somehow managed to bloat to thirty plus pages. Prior to this deal the Hornets have made no shortage of amazing off-season acquisitions/trades and people still feel the need to manufacture news/over analyze the tiniest of statistical anomalies. Even if this trade goes through I'm sure there will still be a steady stream of nonsensical threads arguing how we still lack X, Y, and Z -- scrutinizing Johnny McScrubo the fourth tier bench warmer and how his presence/absence will factor in an additional 0.426 wins to the team.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and not post if there's nothing relevant or newsworthy to say.

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i wholeheartedly agree

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Originally Posted by MarcNOLA

NOLA.com story is reporting that the Hornets are receiving CASH from Minnesota as well. Is that the missing component?

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Cash has no trade value.

All the stories I've seen are the AP story, give or take.

Damn, Robin Lopez is actually a good free throw shooter for a big:eek: