Pelicans finalizing trade for Asik

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Its a good debate. I am starting to lean towards trading Ryno. Makes more sense for big picture. I just would ideally like for him to go East. I don't want him draining 8 threes on me 3-4 times a year and/or in the playoffs

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He may also just need a change of scenery.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I have to disagree. Ryno is a valuable asset under a reasonable contract. He adds so much to the team that I would hate to lose him.

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Everybody would, but again if you have 6 guys under contract (AD, Jrue, Reke, AD, Asik, Ajinca), what is the better way to fill out the other spots:

1. Ryno, the room exception, and 4-6 min. salary guys

2. Rivers, Smith, Morrow,Babbitt, Withey, Player X, the 1st round pick, and a MLE guy

That is the real question

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Calling it now, Jason Smith returns on one year deal after Ryno traded.

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If we shed some more salary could we not still get Blatche to backup AD?


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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I have to disagree. Ryno is a valuable asset under a reasonable contract. He adds so much to the team that I would hate to lose him.

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Look, we all would take to trade Ryno. Dude is awesome. And I hate that Gordon's contract is handcuffing the team to have to make this choice, that's why I'd rather dump or stretch Gordon. But if we are unable to do that then you kind of have to move Ryno instead of gut the bench.

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Originally Posted by Heavy

It's amazing what kids retain. When my 6yr old son came down the stairs (dazed from just having woken up) this morning, i told him the Pels just landed Omar Asik. Without hesitation he said, "Is that #3 that does that awkward face expression before all his free throws?"

why, yes... yes he is that guy

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Your son is obviously brilliant. My son would probably give me Asik's XBox game rating. :D

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Everybody would, but again if you have 6 guys under contract (AD, Jrue, Reke, AD, Asik, Ajinca), what is the better way to fill out the other spots:

1. Ryno, the room exception, and 4-6 min. salary guys

2. Rivers, Smith, Morrow,Babbitt, Withey, Player X, the 1st round pick, and a MLE guy

That is the real question

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Some of those in 2 could exist in 1 as well (Withey, and Babbit) and possibly Morrow if he took the room exception (not highly likely). So, if I had the choice of -

1. Ryno, the room exception, Babbitt, Withey, and 2-4 min. salary guys

2. Rivers, Smith, Morrow, Player X, the 1st round pick, and a MLE guy

I would choose #1.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

If we shed some more salary could we not still get Blatche to backup AD?


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Blatche ain't coming here.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Some of those in 2 could exist in 1 as well (Withey, and Babbit) and possibly Morrow if he took the room exception (not highly likely). So, if I had the choice of -

1. Ryno, the room exception, Babbitt, Withey, and 2-4 min. salary guys

2. Rivers, Smith, Morrow, Player X, the 1st round pick, and a MLE guy

I would choose #1.

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They actually can't. You could only choose one of the three (Ajinca, Withey, and Babbitt)

So, fine, choose 1 of those three - you would really choose route #1? I tend to disagree. Plus, option 2 could make you more flexible for Summer of 15

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Look, we all would take to trade Ryno. Dude is awesome. And I hate that Gordon's contract is handcuffing the team to have to make this choice, that's why I'd rather dump or stretch Gordon. But if we are unable to do that then you kind of have to move Ryno instead of gut the bench.

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Why would we gut the bench? Having to trade Rivers? That would not be a huge loss. Trading Ryno guts the bench IMO.

When ESPN hates your trade you know that you are on to something great.

It will be Ryno, and while it will stink losing him, I believe that player X (if he has his head on strait) will be equally as effective as Ryno.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Everybody would, but again if you have 6 guys under contract (AD, Jrue, Reke, AD, Asik, Ajinca), what is the better way to fill out the other spots:

1. Ryno, the room exception, and 4-6 min. salary guys

2. Rivers, Smith, Morrow,Babbitt, Withey, Player X, the 1st round pick, and a MLE guy

That is the real question

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Why isn't the question Ryno vs. Rivers/Ely/Miller/Babbit Ryno will obviously return better assets in a trade than Rivers, but both packages let you keep your MLE and Bird Rights.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Everybody would, but again if you have 6 guys under contract (AD, Jrue, Reke, AD, Asik, Ajinca), what is the better way to fill out the other spots:

1. Ryno, the room exception, and 4-6 min. salary guys

2. Rivers, Smith, Morrow,Babbitt, Withey, Player X, the 1st round pick, and a MLE guy

That is the real question

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How about 3. Ryno, MLE, Bird rights guys, and minimum guys?

I really think we can have our cake and eat it too. A second unit of Roberts, Gordon, Aminu, Ryno, and Smith is not lacking depth.


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Let's assign players to the MLE, the room exception, and the draft pick.

I will say:

Room exception - Richard Jefferson
MLE - Jordan Hill
1st round pick - James Young

In option 1, you fill out roster with Ryno, Jefferson, Withey, and 3-5 minimum guys

In option 2, you fill out roster with Rivers, Player X, James Young, Withey, Morrow, Jordan Hill, and Babbitt

And yes, there are thousands of permutations of this, but it is an example.

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Originally Posted by greewe

How about 3. Ryno, MLE, Bird rights guys, and minimum guys?

I really think we can have our cake and eat it too. A second unit of Roberts, Gordon, Aminu, Ryno, and Smith is not lacking depth.


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That would be ideal, but very, very hard to pull off. If Dell can, awesome. But if it is down to option 1 vs. option 2, I choose 2 even though I am obviously a HUGE Ryno fan

what is to stop the Pelicans from adding some players now with non-guaranteed contracts and sending those guys in the trade? the issue isn't that we are over the cap its just that the numbers have to balance out correct?

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Originally Posted by BP225

Why isn't the question Ryno vs. Rivers/Ely/Miller/Babbit Ryno will obviously return better assets in a trade than Rivers, but both packages let you keep your MLE and Bird Rights.

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If that is on the table, it would be the better route. No evidence that it is. I though we were just discussing the rumored trade here verse a Rivers dump. But if we can find a way to move Rivers and somehow keep our MLE, then yes, I go that route

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

That would be ideal, but very, very hard to pull off. If Dell can, awesome. But if it is down to option 1 vs. option 2, I choose 2 even though I am obviously a HUGE Ryno fan

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% chance Boston accepts Rivers, Ajinca, and rights to Pierre (plus waivable guys) for top 55 protected pick if we offer?


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Ok, one thing we need to be honest about is, are we really going to lose Babbitt if we release him? I doubt it. If we want him he will still be available.

1 v 2 looks to me like Ryno vs Morrow + replacement level or worse poo poo platter of guys. Would rather Ryno. We've seen Dell find minimum salary guys before so I'd rather keep the better player

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

what is to stop the Pelicans from adding some players now with non-guaranteed contracts and sending those guys in the trade? the issue isn't that we are over the cap its just that the numbers have to balance out correct?

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You would need 5.8 mil in NG contracts. We have less than 3 mil in NG contracts, so that route can't be done. Now, add Rivers to that and send him to another team and maybe Ajinca too and it starts getting possible. Would be a great route to go if possible.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Everybody would, but again if you have 6 guys under contract (AD, Jrue, Reke, AD, Asik, Ajinca), what is the better way to fill out the other spots:

1. Ryno, the room exception, and 4-6 min. salary guys

2. Rivers, Smith, Morrow,Babbitt, Withey, Player X, the 1st round pick, and a MLE guy

That is the real question

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Of course, the second option assumes Morrow could be retained. I think everyone would likely prefer the second one, but losing Ryno would be tough. I was hoping, if he had to be traded, that it would be for a pick in the top 10 to a team from the East (read: Boston in my fantasy world).

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Originally Posted by greewe

% chance Boston accepts Rivers, Ajinca, and rights to Pierre (plus waivable guys) for top 55 protected pick if we offer?


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I would say they would/should but can't know.

We can speculate on this for hours. I think it is a safer bet to just wait until tonight and hope we get an answer, THEN analyze everything.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Everybody would, but again if you have 6 guys under contract (AD, Jrue, Reke, AD, Asik, Ajinca), what is the better way to fill out the other spots:

1. Ryno, the room exception, and 4-6 min. salary guys

2. Rivers, Smith, Morrow,Babbitt, Withey, Player X, the 1st round pick, and a MLE guy

That is the real question

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In that case, I'd take #2. But why can't we wait until mid-season when Ryan's going off? Why does everything need to be done now?

My feeling is the following: this front office is making moves to save it's job, and it's hurting us. At this point, given all the trades, I'd rather keep the draft picks and have a much slower build. I'm excited about the team this year, but I can't help but think that in 2-3 years, we'll look back and say "why did we force it? we weren't championship contenders then"

Which brings me to this: does our front office think it can win a championship in the next 2 years?

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

what is to stop the Pelicans from adding some players now with non-guaranteed contracts and sending those guys in the trade? the issue isn't that we are over the cap its just that the numbers have to balance out correct?

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Nah. Can't do that now. It had to be during the season.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I would say they would/should but can't know.

We can speculate on this for hours. I think it is a safer bet to just wait until tonight and hope we get an answer, THEN analyze everything.

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I know. I lack patience though.


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