Pelicans looking to get a top 5 pick?

So really, y'all just gonna let me hold my breath?

I guess no one can come up with another player in the league in the "not worth more than $10m", but also worth more than a top 5 pick, category.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

So really, y'all just gonna let me hold my breath?

I guess no one can come up with another player in the league in the "not worth more than $10m", but also worth more than a top 5 pick, category.

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It doesn't really seem like you understand the counterargument. In a vaccum, Ryno is worth a top 5 pick. But moving him for one would retard the maturation phase of the team.Instead of having our core guys and moving forward, we would modify the core with a talent that A: isn't guaranteed to be better than Ryno and B: will need multiple years to develop. If Demps needs to win to remain on ownerships good side, as multiple sources indicate, moving in this direction would be counterintuitive. Get it? It has nothing to do with overvaluing, but everything to do with continuity and remaining on pace.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

It doesn't really seem like you understand the counterargument. In a vaccum, Ryno is worth a top 5 pick. But moving him for one would retard the maturation phase of the team.Instead of having our core guys and moving forward, we would modify the core with a talent that A: isn't guaranteed to be better than Ryno and B: will need multiple years to develop. If Demps needs to win to remain on ownerships good side, as multiple sources indicate, moving in this direction would be counterintuitive. Get it? It has nothing to do with overvaluing, but everything to do with continuity and remaining on pace.

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Good explanation.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

It doesn't really seem like you understand the counterargument. In a vaccum, Ryno is worth a top 5 pick. But moving him for one would retard the maturation phase of the team.Instead of having our core guys and moving forward, we would modify the core with a talent that A: isn't guaranteed to be better than Ryno and B: will need multiple years to develop. If Demps needs to win to remain on ownerships good side, as multiple sources indicate, moving in this direction would be counterintuitive. Get it? It has nothing to do with overvaluing, but everything to do with continuity and remaining on pace.

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great post.

Hearing: Knicks have explored possibility of swapping Iman Shumpert for late first-round pick heading into Thursday's draft

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) June 23, 2014

Personally, I haven't seen him play and I'm just curious on what everyone else would think. I'm not saying we should trade for him just attempting to start a conversation. I also have questions. Can Shumpert play the 3? How good is his defense? He is strongly linked with the Thunder or was at the deadline

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Originally Posted by neitzelbaby12

Hearing: Knicks have explored possibility of swapping Iman Shumpert for late first-round pick heading into Thursday's draft

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) June 23, 2014

Personally, I haven't seen him play and I'm just curious on what everyone else would think. I'm not saying we should trade for him just attempting to start a conversation. I also have questions. Can Shumpert play the 3? How good is his defense? He is strongly linked with the Thunder or was at the deadline

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his defense is spectacular, the knicks played him at the 3 a lot but imo he's a pure 2, too small for a sf. I'm trying to think of a very quick, strong, athletic 3 and D shooting guard to compare him to.

But back to your question, he has gotten minute everywhere from PG, to SG, to SF, like when amare got hurt and melo had to move to the 4, but still his most natural position is SG on offense, and defending the opponents tops wing on defense. Hope that helps.

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Hearing: Knicks have explored possibility of swapping Iman Shumpert for late first-round pick heading into Thursday's draft

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) June 23, 2014

Personally, I haven't seen him play and I'm just curious on what everyone else would think. I'm not saying we should trade for him just attempting to start a conversation. I also have questions. Can Shumpert play the 3? How good is his defense? He is strongly linked with the Thunder or was at the deadline

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Yeah posted about this in the NBA rumor thread. I think he may end up in OKC as a Thabo replacement


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Sorry but I'm just trying to find out in what universe Ryan Anderson is worth a top 5 pick. I'd probably bet my life savings that if any gm in the top 5 said "hey dell I've got this top 5 pick for you for that pf over there that's coming off a career threatening injury" that dell would bust a load before he could agree.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

It doesn't really seem like you understand the counterargument. In a vaccum, Ryno is worth a top 5 pick. But moving him for one would retard the maturation phase of the team.Instead of having our core guys and moving forward, we would modify the core with a talent that A: isn't guaranteed to be better than Ryno and B: will need multiple years to develop. If Demps needs to win to remain on ownerships good side, as multiple sources indicate, moving in this direction would be counterintuitive. Get it? It has nothing to do with overvaluing, but everything to do with continuity and remaining on pace.

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I think it's pure speculation that Demps needs to win big this season to keep his job.
I also think it's absurd to think think Dell has settled on a core 4, even though they've only played a handful of games together.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. If Dell could trade Ryan Anderson as part of a deal to move into the top 5, I would think he's got additional moves planned this offseason to replace Ryan's shooting.

Hell, Channing Frye is available.
Spencer Hawes accomplishes 80% of what Ryno does on offense, but can defend centers.

You all are the ones placing this in "a vacuum"
...I've consistently said not to view it that way. Gotta consider that other moves can be made beside just acquiring a pick.

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

Yeah posted about this in the NBA rumor thread. I think he may end up in OKC as a Thabo replacement


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Didn't see that, my bad, from looking at his stats and hearing my brother talk about him, he seems to be a great fit for OKC!

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

Yeah posted about this in the NBA rumor thread. I think he may end up in OKC as a Thabo replacement


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Didn't see that, my bad, from looking at his stats and hearing my brother talk about him, he seems to be a great fit for OKC!

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Sorry but I'm just trying to find out in what universe Ryan Anderson is worth a top 5 pick. I'd probably bet my life savings that if any gm in the top 5 said "hey dell I've got this top 5 pick for you for that pf over there that's coming off a career threatening injury" that dell would bust a load before he could agree.

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He isn't worth a top 5 pick, I know you already know that, i'm just making it clear.

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Originally Posted by neitzelbaby12

Didn't see that, my bad, from looking at his stats and hearing my brother talk about him, he seems to be a great fit for OKC!

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All good. Yeah IMO OKC would be great for him.


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Originally Posted by neitzelbaby12

Didn't see that, my bad, from looking at his stats and hearing my brother talk about him, he seems to be a great fit for OKC!

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he would be a great fit for them, you could stick him on the other teams top wing player, that way westbrook wouldn't have to play too much defense which would limit him offensively, its hard to play both ways 100%

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

It doesn't really seem like you understand the counterargument. In a vaccum, Ryno is worth a top 5 pick. But moving him for one would retard the maturation phase of the team.Instead of having our core guys and moving forward, we would modify the core with a talent that A: isn't guaranteed to be better than Ryno and B: will need multiple years to develop. If Demps needs to win to remain on ownerships good side, as multiple sources indicate, moving in this direction would be counterintuitive. Get it? It has nothing to do with overvaluing, but everything to do with continuity and remaining on pace.

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Exactly!!

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

He isn't worth a top 5 pick, I know you already know that, i'm just making it clear.

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Right. I'm just hoping that ALL people know that as well.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I think it's pure speculation that Demps needs to win big this season to keep his job.
I also think it's absurd to think think Dell has settled on a core 4, even though they've only played a handful of games together.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. If Dell could trade Ryan Anderson as part of a deal to move into the top 5, I would think he's got additional moves planned this offseason to replace Ryan's shooting.

Hell, Channing Frye is available.
Spencer Hawes accomplishes 80% of what Ryno does on offense, but can defend centers.

You all are the ones placing this in "a vacuum"
...I've consistently said not to view it that way. Gotta consider that other moves can be made beside just acquiring a pick.

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I agree with u on most of this stuff but you're losing me with that hawes guy u keep bringing up.

if someone offered me a top ten id send ryno despite knowing that he was the most lethal 3pt shooter in the league last year. Maybe it's all in my close-minded head, but I'm scared to death of having white dudes with bad backs on the squad. It makes me think of peja and byrd at the end of their careers

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if someone offered me a top ten id send ryno despite knowing that he was the most lethal 3pt shooter in the league last year. Maybe it's all in my close-minded head, but I'm scared to death of having white dudes with bad backs on the squad. It makes me think of peja and byrd at the end of their careers

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the suns have 3 first round picks, i wonder if they said they would give us pick 14 or 18 for ryno and we could go after sari, cleanthony early, or gr3, or maybe even package that 1st with a future 1st for someone like marc gasol.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

the suns have 3 first round picks, i wonder if they said they would give us pick 14 or 18 for ryno and we could go after sari, cleanthony early, or gr3

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They need a pf desperately and one that can spread the floor would be great for them.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

They need a pf desperately and one that can spread the floor would be great for them.

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ya that is what i was thinking, they have len and plum lee but someone to space the floor for dragic and bledsoe would be great.

Tyreke
Jrue
PJ Tucker
AD
Marc Gasol

anyone like it?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Tyreke
Jrue
PJ Tucker
AD
Marc Gasol

anyone like it?

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how in the world we getting Marc Gasol?

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Originally Posted by speedyG

how in the world we getting Marc Gasol?

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99% chance we don't, I'm just saying if the grizz want to rebuild, which they should, we could trade ryno to the suns for 1 of their 3 first rounds picks and package that with a future 1st rounder for him.

suns 2014 1st rounder
pels 2015 1st rounder

for marc gasol

Would you do a S&T of PJ, 18, and a second for Anderson