2021 NBA Draft Discussion

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Kid is impressive. His heart condition may scare some teams off even with the clearance, but I hope he gets his chance.

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Um, why is no one talking about how deep those threes are that he's effortlessly hitting

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Um, why is no one talking about how deep those threes are that he's effortlessly hitting

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He's legit. He's got a relatively small frame (not a plus wingspan, relatively narrow shoulders, not massively strong in the lower body) and he isn't an elite passer or finisher at the rim, and of course he's older (3 years at Baylor) so that's why he's not a top top top prospect but there's pretty much no doubt in my mind that he will be a real NBA minutes getter.

Am I missing something here with Trey Murphy? Knock down catch and shoot 3 point shooter who seems like he'll be able to step in and defend bigger wings immediately.

Why does Deandre Hunter go 4th two years ago, but now Murphy is being talked about in the late first. I get he's 21 and can't create for himself, but we're watching Cam Johnson have a major impact in the finals right now. I don't see any way that that player actually slides into the 20s

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Am I missing something here with Trey Murphy? Knock down catch and shoot 3 point shooter who seems like he'll be able to step in and defend bigger wings immediately.

Why does Deandre Hunter go 4th two years ago, but now Murphy is being talked about in the late first. I get he's 21 and can't create for himself, but we're watching Cam Johnson have a major impact in the finals right now. I don't see any way that that player actually slides into the 20s

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I have been thinking the exact same thing. Makes no sense to me.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Am I missing something here with Trey Murphy? Knock down catch and shoot 3 point shooter who seems like he'll be able to step in and defend bigger wings immediately.

Why does Deandre Hunter go 4th two years ago, but now Murphy is being talked about in the late first. I get he's 21 and can't create for himself, but we're watching Cam Johnson have a major impact in the finals right now. I don't see any way that that player actually slides into the 20s

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I don't actually think he's a particularly good defender either. He's big enough and solid enough that he won't be a bad defender, but the idea that he'll just step in and be a plus defensively sounds sketchy to me.

The thing that I think has to be understood is that in the lottery you should be drafting for upside, because if you're a lottery team you need upside. You need players who you think can be very good. Is it the case that Murphy will probably be a fine rotation player? Sure, why not. But if you don't think he has access to another level beyond that - maybe because he's old and can't create for himself or others, and isn't a uniquely good defender, which caps someone hard at the NBA level - then why wouldn't you pick someone who you do believe in like that over him?

Sometimes it's not as much a ''this guy is bad'' issue as it is a ''these other guys have realistic avenues to being way better'' issue.

Roko Prkacin, the No. 36 prospect in the ESPN 100, has withdrawn his name from the 2021 NBA draft, a source told ESPN. Somewhat surprising move, but at just 18-years old, Prkacin will have a chance to be a high draft pick in 2022 with a strong season.

— Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) July 19, 2021

Huge shame. I get it if he wasn't hearing the kind of stuff he wanted to hear with regards to his draft position, but it sucks. I'd have taken him top 20.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Roko Prkacin, the No. 36 prospect in the ESPN 100, has withdrawn his name from the 2021 NBA draft, a source told ESPN. Somewhat surprising move, but at just 18-years old, Prkacin will have a chance to be a high draft pick in 2022 with a strong season.

— Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) July 19, 2021

Huge shame. I get it if he wasn't hearing the kind of stuff he wanted to hear with regards to his draft position, but it sucks. I'd have taken him top 20.

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I hear ya, he's tough and hell and bound to be a great shooter as well.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

I hear ya, he's tough and hell and bound to be a great shooter as well.

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He's super young, passes extremely well for a guy of his size, and has shown a ton of defensive upside in a Euro setting. I heard that he was getting first round promises but wanted to be a lottery pick, so I can understand his frustrations a little bit - especially if he thinks he can grow enough to be a lottery pick next year (which I think is plausible) but it does suck. Still, I guess he's going back to another professional league to keep progressing against other adults, rather than just heading back to college so it's not all bad.

I'm pretty prepared to be whelmed by Kispert.

I kinda of wish we was able to go heavy in this draft.

Personally, i dont want to trade our pick. I think we make the playoffs next year even if we dont trade it. And trading it for a veteran to make us 'contenders' is probably rushing it and will be regretted.

Trade some 2nd rounders this year and some of the Bucks' n Lakers' 1st we have stashedv= yes. But continue to add cheap talent to our roster by using our 1st rounders

I know Moses Moody would wind up being a contributor by the end of this year, but dont know if we could get him. I believe Kispert, Wagner, and Bouknight could also

I don't know who Bouknight's agent is but more people should hire him.

4 or 5 months ago, almost nobody was discussing him as a lottery pick, and the few people who were generally had him late lottery. Most people had him in that 15-25 range.

Now, the draft just over a week away, having played no additional games, he's exploded into a lot of people's top 10s. Whatever magical trickery is going on is something more prospects should ask for.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't draft Bouknight top 10.

I'm more or less concerned that if we let Zo go, and start Kira.... How will that go? Cause if that's the plan, I see us definitely taking ANOTHER PG this draft somewhere. Whethers that's Giddey or who ever.

Unless we're going for a Patty Mills or some sort.

Kira isn't ready to start IMO, and we will end up keeping Zo, all I care about from #10 is plugging a hole in the roster, whether it's a vet or we draft someone, just needs to fill a hole.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't know who Bouknight's agent is but more people should hire him.

4 or 5 months ago, almost nobody was discussing him as a lottery pick, and the few people who were generally had him late lottery. Most people had him in that 15-25 range.

Now, the draft just over a week away, having played no additional games, he's exploded into a lot of people's top 10s. Whatever magical trickery is going on is something more prospects should ask for.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't draft Bouknight top 10.

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Could simply be his workouts. That happens every year when someone impresses in workouts.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't know who Bouknight's agent is but more people should hire him.

4 or 5 months ago, almost nobody was discussing him as a lottery pick, and the few people who were generally had him late lottery. Most people had him in that 15-25 range.

Now, the draft just over a week away, having played no additional games, he's exploded into a lot of people's top 10s. Whatever magical trickery is going on is something more prospects should ask for.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't draft Bouknight top 10.

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I think it's just people paying closer attention to the draft. He was never in the media's top 10 but was likely on many teams radars there. Keon justifiably falling with bouknight rising. They've also gotten to see that his shot is better than the percentages in workouts.

Lillard rose like this too. It's not like a guy rising necessarily means he's being drafted too high.

Fwiw I've always had Bouknight top 10.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

I think it's just people paying closer attention to the draft. He was never in the media's top 10 but was likely on many teams radars there. Keon justifiably falling with bouknight rising. They've also gotten to see that his shot is better than the percentages in workouts.

Lillard rose like this too. It's not like a guy rising necessarily means he's being drafted too high.

Fwiw I've always had Bouknight top 10.

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It could be that: it could also be the thing which happens every year, where a bunch of people who have paid zero attention to the draft all year flood in last minute to watch a bunch of highlight clips on YouTube and decide to latch on to whoever has the flashiest mixtape. There's always a couple of those too, every year.

It's not that a guy rising means he's being drafted too high, but it is odd that people who have not seen or been at all privy to the workouts, such as us people on message boards, would rise a guy based on workouts and summer video clips. Haven't we seen enough Summer clips of Ben Simmons splashing threes and Andre Drummond crossing people up to know that these things should not be taken as even remotely applicable to real games?

I feel like a lot of the people who love Bouknight and have him top 10 are the same people who don't understand why Duarte isn't considered top 20 and think Davion Mitchell should be top 10 as well. Is that true for you?

I just truly hate the lazy take of Pels drafting Kispert with the 10 pick. Like it drives me insane.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

It could be that: it could also be the thing which happens every year, where a bunch of people who have paid zero attention to the draft all year flood in last minute to watch a bunch of highlight clips on YouTube and decide to latch on to whoever has the flashiest mixtape. There's always a couple of those too, every year.

It's not that a guy rising means he's being drafted too high, but it is odd that people who have not seen or been at all privy to the workouts, such as us people on message boards, would rise a guy based on workouts and summer video clips. Haven't we seen enough Summer clips of Ben Simmons splashing threes and Andre Drummond crossing people up to know that these things should not be taken as even remotely applicable to real games?

I feel like a lot of the people who love Bouknight and have him top 10 are the same people who don't understand why Duarte isn't considered top 20 and think Davion Mitchell should be top 10 as well. Is that true for you?

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Sam Vecenie has said that teams are considering Bouknight as high as 6, and he's as plugged in as it gets.

You're really projecting an air of 'people that dont have my opinion are wrong' right now. Pretty sure you'd be singning a different tune if we were talking about JT Thor

Anyone have a favorite draft and stash guy? If we keep the 2nds in could be necessary. I'm a big fan of Rokas Jokubaitis who may be going to Barca for a few years which might scare people off but is just fine for us with too many young guys on the roster already. Really like his pace and skillset.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

Sam Vecenie has said that teams are considering Bouknight as high as 6, and he's as plugged in as it gets.

You're really projecting an air of 'people that dont have my opinion are wrong' right now. Pretty sure you'd be singning a different tune if we were talking about JT Thor

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I think this miscommunication is occurring because you misunderstand what I'm puzzled about.

When I say that I don't understand why some people have Bouknight top 10, I'm not saying that I don't think he will go top 10. Vecenie might be 100% correct and someone will take Bouknight in the top 5. The reality of who gets drafted at which position, however, has zero bearing on whether or not I think that makes sense as a place to take them based on my own draft philosophy. The conflict is not between the mocks and NBA front offices, it's between the mocks and my personal views on how drafting should be done.

There are plenty of people who disagree with me on stuff that I'm fine with. Some people don't think Franz Wagner is a top 12 talent and have him 15th or 16th: I disagree but I'm fine with that. Some people have Suggs over Green, which I disagree with but I understand why. I don't have Kuminga top 10, a lot of other people do - I don't agree, but I get why they'd do it. Those people aren't wrong, they just have a different outlook on a few things. My concern isn't that people disagree with me, it's that I don't really think that the people in this particular case have a very strong argument for their point of view. Maybe I end up being wrong and Bouknight explodes out of the draft into one of the very best players of the year.

Could you actually explain to me why you think Bouknight is top 10, rather than just getting defensive and weird about it? Maybe if you shared that point of view I'd understand a little more where you're coming from.

And no, I wouldn't be ''singning a different tune'' if it was JT Thor: I like him a lot, but I can explain why rather than just proclaiming it, and I would still think anyone taking him top 10 was probably overdrafting.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I just truly hate the lazy take of Pels drafting Kispert with the 10 pick. Like it drives me insane.

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A lot of the Kispert love is, I think, people trying to draft for fit. Which I don't think is a good philosophy in the lottery. My personal take is that you draft for fit if you're the 27th pick, you're going to be a good team next year, and you just need to take swings at patching up areas you could use improvement. If you're in the lottery, ignore fit: what you need is talent flat out, and then you should be drafting for the guy you think has the biggest chance at being really good.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I think this miscommunication is occurring because you misunderstand what I'm puzzled about.

When I say that I don't understand why some people have Bouknight top 10, I'm not saying that I don't think he will go top 10. Vecenie might be 100% correct and someone will take Bouknight in the top 5. The reality of who gets drafted at which position, however, has zero bearing on whether or not I think that makes sense as a place to take them based on my own draft philosophy. The conflict is not between the mocks and NBA front offices, it's between the mocks and my personal views on how drafting should be done.

There are plenty of people who disagree with me on stuff that I'm fine with. Some people don't think Franz Wagner is a top 12 talent and have him 15th or 16th: I disagree but I'm fine with that. Some people have Suggs over Green, which I disagree with but I understand why. I don't have Kuminga top 10, a lot of other people do - I don't agree, but I get why they'd do it. Those people aren't wrong, they just have a different outlook on a few things. My concern isn't that people disagree with me, it's that I don't really think that the people in this particular case have a very strong argument for their point of view. Maybe I end up being wrong and Bouknight explodes out of the draft into one of the very best players of the year.

Could you actually explain to me why you think Bouknight is top 10, rather than just getting defensive and weird about it? Maybe if you shared that point of view I'd understand a little more where you're coming from.

And no, I wouldn't be ''singning a different tune'' if it was JT Thor: I like him a lot, but I can explain why rather than just proclaiming it, and I would still think anyone taking him top 10 was probably overdrafting.

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im not defensive. I just don't like the idea of guy I like rising is 'yea ok I can see why' as in JT Thor or Hyland. Guy I don't like rising, 'must have a good agent', 'people who like him just watch youtube', which seems to be pretty often your opinion and it's just as condescending as Mac. People rise and fall every year. It happens. Maybe Bouknight doesnt end up going top 10, and you can say see I told you so. But I think he will regardless of whether or not he should be and NBA teams don't just watch youtube.

My argument has nothing to do with Bouknight. I totally get all the flaws, don't care if people have him as 2nd rounder. Outside of the top 4 everyone has pretty glaring ones.

Never question his authority or his pomposity; he has a stranglehold on truth don't you know?

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

im not defensive. I just don't like the idea of guy I like rising is 'yea ok I can see why' as in JT Thor or Hyland. Guy I don't like rising, 'must have a good agent', 'people who like him just watch youtube', which seems to be pretty often your opinion and it's just as condescending as Mac. People rise and fall every year. It happens. Maybe Bouknight doesnt end up going top 10, and you can say see I told you so. But I think he will regardless of whether or not he should be and NBA teams don't just watch youtube.

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You're really going to tell me there aren't people who show up late in the draft process and pick favourites based on highlights? Really? That's a pretty well discussed and known aspect of the draft and has been for years now, it's not something I've just come up with.

In any case, yeah if there''s a guy I've thought should be rated as a lottery pick or a mid-first pick all year suddenly rising, I'll think it's good and if there's a guy who I think is rated appropriately suddenly rising I'll wonder why. It's entirely normal for people to react to one set of circumstances in one way, and then differently to a different set of circumstances. Not really sure why that's apparently worthy of contention.

You're responding to the wrong point again.

Look, you're saying this:

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

People rise and fall every year. It happens. Maybe Bouknight doesnt end up going top 10, and you can say see I told you so. But I think he will regardless of whether or not he should be

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But I have never disagreed with that. In fact, in the post you are responding to I say this:

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I'm not saying that I don't think he will go top 10. Vecenie might be 100% correct and someone will take Bouknight in the top 5. The reality of who gets drafted at which position, however, has zero bearing on whether or not I think that makes sense as a place to take them based on my own draft philosophy.

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I have never argued that he won't go top ten. My argument is only that I personally think he shouldn't. If he doesn't go top ten I won't say ''I told you so'' to anyone because that's never been my point in the first place.

I asked you to share why you do have Bouknight top ten, so that we could potentially have a discussion about those reasons. Instead you decided to have this weird response that misrepresents what I'm saying in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

im not defensive. I just don't like the idea of guy I like rising is 'yea ok I can see why' as in JT Thor or Hyland. Guy I don't like rising, 'must have a good agent', 'people who like him just watch youtube', which seems to be pretty often your opinion and it's just as condescending as Mac. People rise and fall every year. It happens. Maybe Bouknight doesnt end up going top 10, and you can say see I told you so. But I think he will regardless of whether or not he should be and NBA teams don't just watch youtube.

My argument has nothing to do with Bouknight. I totally get all the flaws, don't care if people have him as 2nd rounder. Outside of the top 4 everyone has pretty glaring ones.

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How dare you say he is as condescending as Me! I have been working on it for decades, and he is new to the game. He might have my upside as a condescender, but thats just his ceiling, not how I would value him as a condescender today

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

How dare you say he is as condescending as Me! I have been working on it for decades, and he is new to the game. He might have my upside as a condescender, but thats just his ceiling, not how I would value him as a condescender today

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LOL

Jared Butler had to spend 3 years at Baylor precisely because NBA scouts said they weren't sure about his athleticism. So he stayed to try and raise his stock around that issue.

I only know this from watching so many Baylor games on Mitchell, and it was mentioned during a broadcast by one of the Baylor folks. And it makes sense.

I'd definitely take him 20 and down though.

That said, if they do anything regarding Toronto, my #1 hope is they target their 4th pick rather than go after Lowry. Which imo is a puke move.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

How dare you say he is as condescending as Me! I have been working on it for decades, and he is new to the game. He might have my upside as a condescender, but thats just his ceiling, not how I would value him as a condescender today

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Ha!

I said it before and I'll say it, again. MM has been really great the past year or so in not going off on other posters. His pessimism of the franchise gets me at times, but that's just a difference of opinion and what message boards are about. Otherwise he's really won me over in how he's improved how he talks to others.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Ha!

I said it before and I'll say it, again. MM has been really great the past year or so in not going off on other posters. His pessimism of the franchise gets me at times, but that's just a difference of opinion and what message board are about. Otherwise he's really won me over in how he's improved how he talks to others.

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*realism

But thank you :)

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

*realism

But thank you :)

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Ah! AH! Don't you start that...

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Ha!

I said it before and I'll say it, again. MM has been really great the past year or so in not going off on other posters. His pessimism of the franchise gets me at times, but that's just a difference of opinion and what message boards are about. Otherwise he's really won me over in how he's improved how he talks to others.

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I like Dae and Mac a lot, even if I feel they occasionally need to be reminded that being the smartest guy in the room doesn’t necessarily mean you know what’s best for a basketball team. If that were true we’d have 30 Daryl Moreys as lead decision makers.

Like even if someone did just watch YouTube highlights to evaluate a draft prospect, most NBA All-Stars have pretty good highlight reels. Not going to use the fact they haven’t seen a prospects synergy profile or game tape to invalidate their opinion.

I'll pay money to hear a MM, Dae, David Grubb, Deno Henson, Shamit, and Pels Pros Talk all to just talk Pelicans.

The differences of personalities and opinions would be a Multiverse of Madness.

Btw I miss "Heel" MM. The Tweener run has been best for business but MM "elite board era" run about years ago was generating real Heel heat. Dude was causing chaos everywhere and was very entertaining from a psychology/ internet trolling standpoint.

I'd love to see MM, Dae, 13-3, and GuardianAngel take a cross country road trip together and we could all place bets to see which one jumps out of the moving vehicle first.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I'd love to see MM, Dae, 13-3, and GuardianAngel take a cross country road trip together and we could all place bets to see which one jumps out of the moving vehicle first.

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I can't say anything about jumping but I can tell you who'd get pushed.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I'd love to see MM, Dae, 13-3, and GuardianAngel take a cross country road trip together and we could all place bets to see which one jumps out of the moving vehicle first.

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plot twist, the car only contains one person. PR user base is all just a single guys split personalities.

cue sid vicious - my way

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Originally Posted by billfromfinance

plot twist, the car only contains one person. PR user base is all just a single guys split personalities.

cue sid vicious - my way

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Bill from Finance, known solipsist.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I'd love to see MM, Dae, 13-3, and GuardianAngel take a cross country road trip together and we could all place bets to see which one jumps out of the moving vehicle first.

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In a real life situation, I would be universally liked and it would be chill. My real life personality is nothing like what I put on here. I think any of you who have ever listened to me on a pod already know that. But I would kill to know 13-3's real life personality. I think Dae is closest to what he puts on here

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I can't say anything about jumping but I can tell you who'd get pushed.

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That?s funny:)

I think Isaiah Todd would be a perfect 2nd round pick. A young PF/C prospect with pro experience all the measurables and as clean of a shooting form as one could ask for.

He?s the 3D center type we covet next to Zion. Might take two years but his shot is legit

I think Isaiah Todd would be a perfect 2nd round pick. A young PF/C prospect with pro experience all the measurables and as clean of a shooting form as one could ask for.

He?s the 3D center type we covet next to Zion. Might take two years but his shot is legit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jmlBv70TLR0

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

I think Isaiah Todd would be a perfect 2nd round pick. A young PF/C prospect with pro experience all the measurables and as clean of a shooting form as one could ask for.

He?s the 3D center type we covet next to Zion. Might take two years but his shot is legit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jmlBv70TLR0

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I totally agree with you about Todd...

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

I think Isaiah Todd would be a perfect 2nd round pick. A young PF/C prospect with pro experience all the measurables and as clean of a shooting form as one could ask for.

He?s the 3D center type we covet next to Zion. Might take two years but his shot is legit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jmlBv70TLR0

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Todd wont last to the 2nd. Apparently there are 2 teams already who have promised him in the 20s, and I know Atlanta is seriously considering taking him at 20. He is a perfect guy to take if we do a trade down with the Knicks IMO. Love his long term fit and is the type you can be patient with while you bring other guys in this year to have impact now

Duarte’s stock is hot. Interest has snowballed/spread, he’s become a trade-up target for teams. Unlikely here’s available at 19. https://t.co/HnyvmEeSE2

— Jonathan Wasserman (@NBADraftWass) July 23, 2021

Absolutely wild.

Duarte is older today than Brandon Ingram is. Brandon Ingram has played five NBA seasons.

Guys I'd be good about at 10 (assuming the top 6 and Bouknight are all gone), in order

Keon - I think that the "he cant shoot" narrative is lazy. Its his handle that will make or break him. Ceiling: Donovan Mitchell. Most likely:Oladipo Floor:Tony Allen

Sengun - He will be more than a low post guy Ceiling:K. Love/Sabonis hybrid with better D Most likely:Vucevic Floor:Kanter

Moody - Will all come down to if he can add weight and offensive versatility Ceiling:Middleton Most likely:Ariza Floor:Ronnie Brewer

Giddey - How impactful can he be without the ball? If you are on a team with Zion and Ingram, that matters. Ceiling:Joe Ingles with Rubio's vision Most likely:Toni Kucoc Floor:Old Grant Hill

Mitchell - Like the offensive fit with Zion, but how many positions can he defend at a high level? Ceiling:Gary Payton Most likely:Pat Beverly defense with Mo Williams offense Floor:Kris Dunn

Cant do at 10, but would be happy with a slight trade down (13-19 range)

Garuba - A Faried/Ibaka hybrid if he hits. I just wish he were a tad bit taller. I think he defends 3's and 4's, not 3's, 4's and 5's
Kispert - I would take Joe Harris at 14 or 16. Cant take him in this draft at 10
Wagner - I believe in the defense but I dont believe he gets to even above average at catch and shoot 3's or in creation for himself and/or others in the half court. Fine taking him at 18 or 19 as my 7th or 8th man for the next few years, but I dont see starter unless the other 4 guys are amazing
Jalen Johnson - I dont want this big of a gamble at 10, but give me 16 and 18 and I will use one of those picks for a big swing

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Guys I'd be good about at 10 (assuming the top 6 and Bouknight are all gone), in order

Keon - I think that the "he cant shoot" narrative is lazy. Its his handle that will make or break him. Ceiling: Donovan Mitchell. Most likely:Oladipo Floor:Tony Allen

Sengun - He will be more than a low post guy Ceiling:K. Love/Sabonis hybrid with better D Most likely:Vucevic Floor:Kanter

Moody - Will all come down to if he can add weight and offensive versatility Ceiling:Middleton Most likely:Ariza Floor:Ronnie Brewer

Giddey - How impactful can he be without the ball? If you are on a team with Zion and Ingram, that matters. Ceiling:Joe Ingles with Rubio's vision Most likely:Toni Kucoc Floor:Old Grant Hill

Mitchell - Like the offensive fit with Zion, but how many positions can he defend at a high level? Ceiling:Gary Payton Most likely:Pat Beverly defense with Mo Williams offense Floor:Kris Dunn

Cant do at 10, but would be happy with a slight trade down (13-19 range)

Garuba - A Faried/Ibaka hybrid if he hits. I just wish he were a tad bit taller. I think he defends 3's and 4's, not 3's, 4's and 5's
Kispert - I would take Joe Harris at 14 or 16. Cant take him in this draft at 10
Wagner - I believe in the defense but I dont believe he gets to even above average at catch and shoot 3's or in creation for himself and/or others in the half court. Fine taking him at 18 or 19 as my 7th or 8th man for the next few years, but I dont see starter unless the other 4 guys are amazing
Jalen Johnson - I dont want this big of a gamble at 10, but give me 16 and 18 and I will use one of those picks for a big swing

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Do you still think Griff's preference is to trade 10 for a veteran or has that not evolved?

Plan A as of today is to trade for a current NBA player. Plan B is to trade back and acquire future picks in that process. Plan C is to stay put and take a guy, likely Moody, Giddey, or Kispert

The issue here is that FA doesnt come first. This draft would be so much easier for the Pels if it did because the Lonzo situation hangs over all this. They dont love him, they dont dislike him. If he were to come back at a reasonable price (4/70-ish), they would happily have him back. But if the offer is way more than that or he simply wont take 4/70 if that is his best offer and drags it out all summer (a common Klutch tactic), it holds everything up.

But if they could get a top vet, none of that would matter and they would just make the deal and figure out Lonzo later. But those guys arent avaialble according to their teams right now. A guy like Sexton is nice but ideally you'd like to make that move after you know what is happening with Lonzo. As of right now, my bet would be on Trade down, followed by trading the pick for a frontcourt player, followed by staying at 10 and taking Moody or Kispert

We don't want Giddey

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We don't want Giddey

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Speak for yourself, I want Giddey.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Speak for yourself, I want Giddey.

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Why?