Game Thread: Lakers @ Hornets

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

So sometimes his def. isn't a liability, but we will never hear you say that, but what he excells at (outside of the crunch) is what you will get down on him for?

Ok, cool story.

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I do believe a DEF RTG of 120 is WORSE than 106. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

The vasquez trolls are just getting out of hand.

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You mean Hornet fans. He does play for the Hornets right?

Lets talk about our max contract guy shall we? WTF was he at?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I am looking at the data presented. Red means bad, green means good. Those 3 stats get better for him in the crunch. No need to fight the truth.

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Not when your defensive rating goes UP, it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Well lets see if he ****s up in the first at least we have 3 quarters to make up for. He ****s up on the last possession of the game, how do you recover... that's as simple as it gets, but I doubt you understand.

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If he ****s it up at the end there is a bigger margin of error since he played better in the beginning

I may regret this... so... here goes nothing

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HowellOnCST‏@HowellOnCST
W/ less than 5:00 to play & tied or down by 5 or less GV has taken 58 FG's (made 15). Gordon, Anderson & Davis have taken 54 COMBINED!!!

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I am looking at the data presented. Red means bad, green means good. Those 3 stats get better for him in the crunch. No need to fight the truth.

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Green means higher than the players average... lol

Just because it is green just means it's higher than normal. In the case of DefRtg higher is BAD... learn to read.

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

Ill believe when you post data and numbers that back up that claim

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Vasquez is -26 per48 in clutch time.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

TROLL STATUS^^^^^^^ PLEASE NOBODY ENTERTAIN THE TROLL ANY LONGER IM DONE

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God forbid I root for him to do good. Meanwhile you love it when he has a bad game

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

I never said the stats were stupid learn to read. I said that the idea that the numbers he puts up outside of crunch time are somehow meaningless is stupid.

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If the whole point is to win the game then yes....if you pad your stats then cant do enough to actually win the ****ing game the it don't mean ****. The scoreboard is what counts....yeah you can get the stats to get them to that point but if you take bad shots...turn the ball over etc in the las 2-5min of the 4th then IDGAF bout what you did before hand when you end up being part of the reason we don't win.

This aint about STATS....this about winning and losing just like in any other sport. Drew Brees threw for over 5000yds and 40TDs in the last 2 seasons but I bet you if you ask him....he'd say it don't mean nothing because he threw multiple picks in some of those games that gave us losses and led to not having a winning season or making the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I do believe a DEF RTG of 120 is WORSE than 106. Just saying.

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Is 31.2% usage better than 23%? Or TO ratio going from 11.87% to 4.96% not good?

Who threw the ball inbounds tonight in those last few seconds? Was it GV? Go get mad at that guy.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

You have no clue what you're talking about. West played most of the season, Okafor and Ariza were elite team defenders, CP3 is a top 5 player in this league and the western conference was weak that season. They won 46 games which was barely above most people's projection of 45. He probably cost them a few more wins by not making Thornton the full time 6th man and only playing Aaron Gray half the season even though he's much better than Mbenga. Come with some facts next time so you don't look so clueless.

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Man if Ariza and Okafor are so great why are they performing so poorly now? Why is it that when they dont have a Chris Paul on the team they aren't even noticeable? West played and hurt his knee like I said....I also said that without him we still almost beat the lakers in the playoffs. You are referring to the same Aaron Gray who had to spend half a season "getting in shape"? Yea I presented plenty facts. You aren't saying anything. You fail to point out that West was our main consistent scoring threat but when he went out we still maintained our level of play. We traded Thornton and got Landry that season...someone we ended up NEEDING to fill the hole from West's void. You should get a clue as well.

Not trolling. Jen said Monty has been calling plays for Greivis down stretch.

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Originally Posted by rt0307

I may regret this... so... here goes nothing

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THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH FOR THIS...now let's hear the Vasquez apologist defend this one..oh this will be good I've got my popcorn

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Originally Posted by rt0307

I may regret this... so... here goes nothing

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HowellOnCST‏@HowellOnCST
W/ less than 5:00 to play & tied or down by 5 or less GV has taken 58 FG's (made 15). Gordon, Anderson & Davis have taken 54 COMBINED!!!

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Hero ball...

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

If he ****s it up at the end there is a bigger margin of error since he played better in the beginning

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cool story. You're wrong, but keep rooting for vasquez when he leaves the hornets.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Is 31.2% usage better than 23%? Or TO ratio going from 11.87% to 4.96% not good?

Who threw the ball inbounds tonight in those last few seconds? Was it GV? Go get mad at that guy.

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The to% goes down cause he shoots the dam ball every time!!!! What don't u get about that??

Rivers out 4-6 with broken hand, per WoJo

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

Not trolling. Jen said Monty has been calling plays for Greivis down stretch.

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Putting the ball in your best players hands is a good idea

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Green means higher than the players average... lol

Just because it is green just means it's higher than normal. In the case of DefRtg higher is BAD... learn to read.

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Maybe if i had only learned to read....oh well.:hihi:

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Hero ball...

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See above post, even though it combine the two most hated people on this board. :hihi:

Such a sad game. Really looking forward to seeing Gordon/Rivers play together more. That combo was lethal in the 2nd quarter tonight. That said, my faith in Monty to make that decision is sorely lacking atm.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Is 31.2% usage better than 23%? Or TO ratio going from 11.87% to 4.96% not good?

Who threw the ball inbounds tonight in those last few seconds? Was it GV? Go get mad at that guy.

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Umm... when you play hero ball, you don't pass, so OF COURSE his TO rate goes down. C'mon, you have to be smarter than this, right?

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

The to% goes down cause he shoots the dam ball every time!!!! What don't u get about that??

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Where were these complaints Friday?

Who was shooting the ball in that last minuet of the game? Lets yell at him.

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

Not trolling. Jen said Monty has been calling plays for Greivis down stretch.

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Well it just confirms my theory all along. We are tanking. No other reason for him to call plays for Vasquez down the stretch. He know Vasquez is garbage so he understands how to tank.

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

Putting the ball in your best players hands is a good idea

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It's official, you're a troll.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Well it just confirms my theory all along. We are tanking. No other reason for him to call plays for Vasquez down the stretch. He know Vasquez is garbage so he understands how to tank.

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Or he is a poor coach.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

cool story. You're wrong, but keep rooting for vasquez when he leaves the hornets.

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How is that wrong? Keep reaching though.

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

Putting the ball in your best players hands is a good idea

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Its called TANKING

this season just got better peeps

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WWL-TV Sports‏@wwltvsports
Austin Rivers is expected to miss 4-6 weeks after fracturing the 4th metacarpal on his right hand.

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Hero ball? How did hero ball pay off Friday night?

Come on, i am done talking GV. This was a team loss.

Where was Gordon tonight? Way to earn your pay check Gordo!

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Originally Posted by Daneman

Rivers out 4-6 with broken hand, per WoJo

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Now he needs to really devote his time to that left hand.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

It's official, you're a troll.

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Like I said about 100 posts ago bro...ignore n he will fade away like Vasquez ability in the clutch

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

Man if Ariza and Okafor are so great why are they performing so poorly now? Why is it that when they dont have a Chris Paul on the team they aren't even noticeable? West played and hurt his knee like I said....I also said that without him we still almost beat the lakers in the playoffs. You are referring to the same Aaron Gray who had to spend half a season "getting in shape"? Yea I presented plenty facts. You aren't saying anything. You fail to point out that West was our main consistent scoring threat but when he went out we still maintained our level of play. We traded Thornton and got Landry that season...someone we ended up NEEDING to fill the hole from West's void. You should get a clue as well.

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The Landry trade occurred before West's injury and the team was only playing .500 ball after the trade even before West went down. No one predicted West would get injured and that trade didn't make the team better. Gray was in shape all season. It was the year before he was out of shape. Okafor and Ariza are complimentary players and Okafor is playing solid this season. This team mostly won because of having CP3 for a full season. CP3 is a top 5 player in this league and controls the game like no one else can.

Its obvious you don't know the facts since you said the team won a 1st round series that year when they were only the 7th seed and lost in the first round to the Lakers. The only reason the team won two games in that series was due to CP3 having monster games.

Lopez sucks Aaron Gray has more hops than him. Aaron Gray played DW better than Lopez. How in the hell you 7 feet tall and don't finish with authority. He struggles to dunk the ball. Being at this game was frustrating. A lot of people at the game was calling Monty's head. They wanted to see Davis play and felt cheated out of their money.

Rivers is out 4-6?

#1 pick, HERE WE COME!!!!!

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Where were these complaints Friday?

Who was shooting the ball in that last minuet of the game? Lets yell at him.

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Done responding to your trolling. You just misdirect every fact/stat that proves your point wrong, and point to another player. You hardly ever bring anything of value to a conversation besides just saying... "what about this guy that did this thing that one time"..." also stats don't matter unless they are "in the green"

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Its called TANKING

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...I'm trying not to blow up on anyone. But...really having difficulty.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Like I said about 100 posts ago bro...ignore n he will fade away like Vasquez ability in the clutch

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I guess the one thing we are learning in all of this is we don't have a man on our team willing to challenge the coach like a kobe, LBJ, or Wade.

Guess thats one more guy we will have to look for in the offseason, a guy with a pair.

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Originally Posted by Eazy-P

Lopez sucks Aaron Gray has more hops than him. Aaron Gray played DW better than Lopez. How in the hell you 7 feet tall and don't finish with authority. He struggles to dunk the ball. Being at this game was frustrating. A lot of people at the game was calling Monty's head. They wanted to see Davis play and felt cheated out of their money.

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As they should be

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Rivers is out 4-6?

#1 pick, HERE WE COME!!!!!

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http://www.nba.com/media/act_brian_roberts.jpg

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I guess the one thing we are learning in all of this is we don't have a man on our team willing to challenge the coach like a kobe, LBJ, or Wade.

Guess thats one more guy we will have to look for in the offseason, a guy with a pair.

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Yes we will...I'm on board with that trust me

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Originally Posted by rt0307

I may regret this... so... here goes nothing

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Monty said something about putting the ball in Gordon's hands more down the stretch. Did he do that tonight? What happened when/if he did?

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

http://www.nba.com/media/act_brian_roberts.jpg

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Yeah, its definitely time for me to post the "5 reasons not to watch the Hornets" thread.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Done responding to your trolling. You just misdirect every fact/stat that proves your point wrong, and point to another player. You hardly ever bring anything of value to a conversation besides just saying... "what about this guy that did this thing that one time"..." also stats don't matter unless they are "in the green"

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When? I told KC earlier GV had an awful game. Who is defending him? I am saying, "hey, lets take a break from bashing GV because thats getting older than Otto Porter Threads, and lets talk about someone elses faults."

There is no trolling there. Just strait forward, lets talk about something different because we all know GV had a bad game.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

...I'm trying not to blow up on anyone. But...really having difficulty.

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U do see why I said that right?? Pls go bk n read the conversation between me n the troll on here before u draw conclusions

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

As they should be

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I feel the same way. The number 1 overall pick should not be on the bench during a crucial stretch in the 4th quarter.

Dayum 20-0 run... sheez guys.

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Originally Posted by rt0307

this season just got better peeps

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I guess it is a good thing when a bad game occurs and you still record a double double

Did Lopez get abused by DW tonight? Depends on when getting abused cruses over to, too tired to keep up, but is still stuck in the game on account of a stupid coach.

DW is a top center for a reason. Lopez is a top 12 center because he isn't DW. DW dominates better centers than Lopez, so I wouldn't be too down if I were Lopez.