Pelicans finalizing trade for Asik

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

If we use the cap space to sign free agents we dont get the MLE

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We wouldn't be using cap space. That's the point. We would send out equal salaries for Asik (not using cap space). We would keep our holds for our FAs, pushing us over the cap and giving us the MLE.

I think.


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Your 3 way trade might work. The only other way we can keep the MLE is if we wind up with an $8.3 million trade exception. Basically trade one of our $10+ million players and don't take much back. Outside of that you either have to create cap space (using Ryno to dump Gordon?) or be satisfied with the $2.7 million cap room exception and minimum contracts.

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Originally Posted by greewe

Could we do something like this and keep our MLE?

HOU gets Asik and NO first
NO gets Asik and BOS second
BOS gets Rivers, Anjica, Ely, Withey, and Babbitt

We would be sending out approximately $6.5M. BOS can waive the non-guaranteed guys, and Anjica/second is the price they pay for Rivers.

Get Tucker and resign our own FAs.

Jrue/Roberts
Tyreke/Gordon
Tucker/Aminu
AD/Ryno
Asik/Smith


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That woulld allow us to sign our own FA's and use MLE. We would use Bird rights on our guys first, then use the MLE, then send in the trade to the league on July 8th.

Basically, we would have to send out about 5.8 million in a deal to be able to keep our MLE.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

That woulld allow us to sign our own FA's and use MLE. We would use Bird rights on our guys first, then use the MLE, then send in the trade to the league on July 8th.

Basically, we would have to send out about 5.8 million in a deal to be able to keep our MLE.

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Thanks. Do you think a team like Boston values Rivers enough to absorb Ajinca? Any chance a 3 teamer like that happens in reality?


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Originally Posted by greewe

Thanks. Do you think a team like Boston values Rivers enough to absorb Ajinca? Any chance a 3 teamer like that happens in reality?


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I think Dell has to look at that. The question is - do you shed a bunch of the smaller salaries like that and just kill your depth, going with a top heavy roster? Or do you move one of the big 5 pieces and keep the guys on really cheap contracts, giving you more depth but perhaps one less piece of top heavy talent.

I think Dell has to explore every avenue to move Gordon, which is slightly harder this morning because they can't attach a 1st round pick to him. Then, you have the debate about Rivers and other cheap talent vs. Ryno.

To me, it comes down to how you feel about Babbitt. Can he give you 70-75% of what Ryno did at 1/9th the price? If he does, should I move Anderson instead?

I just hope it is Gordon. Would make this a perfect week IMO

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think Dell has to look at that. The question is - do you shed a bunch of the smaller salaries like that and just kill your depth, going with a top heavy roster? Or do you move one of the big 5 pieces and keep the guys on really cheap contracts, giving you more depth but perhaps one less piece of top heavy talent.

I think Dell has to explore every avenue to move Gordon, which is slightly harder this morning because they can't attach a 1st round pick to him. Then, you have the debate about Rivers and other cheap talent vs. Ryno.

To me, it comes down to how you feel about Babbitt. Can he give you 70-75% of what Ryno did at 1/9th the price? If he does, should I move Anderson instead?

I just hope it is Gordon. Would make this a perfect week IMO

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Yeah. I guess I feel like Demps gets guys like Babbitt, Ajinca, and Withey in his sleep. Ryno is harder to replace and if my choices are get rid of Babbitt/Ajinca/Withey for SF (Tucker) or get rid of Ryno for SF, I choose the former every time.

I would love to get rid of Gordon. If Dell does trade Ryno for SF and a first, do you see us packaging Gordon with that first? Then going after a huge fish at SF? And again, is Deng (or whomever, or even a collection of smaller guys) better than Ryno, Gordon, and Tucker?


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Sam Amick: Rockets deal likely happens after July moratorium (10th) because NO will likely use players w/ nonguaranteed $ to match Asik's $8.3 million Twitter @sam_amick
Rumors tagsHouston Rockets, New Orleans Pelicans, Trade
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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Sam Amick: Rockets deal likely happens after July moratorium (10th) because NO will likely use players w/ nonguaranteed $ to match Asik's $8.3 million Twitter @sam_amick
Rumors tagsHouston Rockets, New Orleans Pelicans, Trade
- See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/new_....fNZVEHJP.dpuf

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This guy didnt even know about the Stephien rule last night. Add that to the fact that they would need 5.8 mil in non guaranteed contracts to do that and we have about 3 mil in those types of contracts, and just ignore what he is saying. Bottom line.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

This guy didnt even know about the Stephien rule last night. Add that to the fact that they would need 5.8 mil in non guaranteed contracts to do that and we have about 3 mil in those types of contracts, and just ignore what he is saying. Bottom line.

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Bottom line is we still need to cut salary in order for this to work, so another trade has to be coming, and that this likely won't get finalized until that other trade is made. So July 10th is a possibility for a done date.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Not correct. In no way will the added "real salary" effect how much he spends on players. In every scenario, he spends up to cap and uses exceptions. No more, no less. Extra 7 mil for Asik's deal is just coming out of his pocket, not effecting team salary structure in any way. Because of the CBA, it just cant

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Up to $ 3 million can be added to trades or used to buy picks.

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Originally Posted by AirForce1

ESPN is grading this trade as a D+ for us : D

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What bothers me most about analysts of today is their inability to think outside the box. They simply say, "Pelicans need their 1st round pick!" then go on about why every first round pick is so valuable.

"First-round picks are valuable assets because they offer up to four years of cost-controlled production at rates that are, on average, far below market value. By contrast, the players New Orleans has acquired (Jrue Holiday last year, now Asik) are paid what they're worth, relatively."

Well the thing they aren't understanding is that for the next 1.5 years we have the MOST valuable contract in the league in Anthony Davis. If we wait to sign these big names, his mega-extension will eat a huge chunk of our cap space. These writers have got to see this kind of stuff...

probably posted not going through 15 pages but..

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1533/omer-asik

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Report: Omer Asik being dealt to Pelicans

Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that the Rockets are set to deal C Omer Asik to the Pelicans for a future first-round draft pick and $1.5 million.
This should be about a done deal and it's a big move for the Pelicans, who had a lot of injury and depth problems at center last season. Look for Asik to start alongside Anthony Davis next season, and look for his fantasy value to take a nice jump now that he no longer has to deal with Dwight Howard. As for the Rockets, they're clearly making monetary space in hopes of acquiring LeBron James or Carmelo Anthony. Additionally, Michael McNamara is reporting that the Pelicans have to trade Austin Rivers or Eric Gordon in order to take on Asik, so there's likely more to come in this deal after the draft.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I love this deal. We Asik is a great big to pair with Davis and Ryno. He is one of the best defensive bigs in the league, and he is also one of the best rebounders. Most importantly, he won't be expected to close out games, so AD and Ryno can finish the games with no issues. He is also only 27 years old.

A late 1st for one of the best defensive/rebounding bigs in the league? That's robbery IMO. We got a good deal because Houston is clearing cap space to go after Melo.

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This. I love this trade now let's get a scoring SF..someway somehow

It's amazing what kids retain. When my 6yr old son came down the stairs (dazed from just having woken up) this morning, i told him the Pels just landed Omar Asik. Without hesitation he said, "Is that #3 that does that awkward face expression before all his free throws?"

why, yes... yes he is that guy

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

This guy didnt even know about the Stephien rule last night. Add that to the fact that they would need 5.8 mil in non guaranteed contracts to do that and we have about 3 mil in those types of contracts, and just ignore what he is saying. Bottom line.

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It's a freakin epidemic.

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Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI 10h

Still trying to figure out pick situation. Not sure how Pelicans--which does not have a pick in this draft--can give up a '15 first rounder

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Both Mannix and Amick are reasonably respected NBA writers. I understand the national guys being clueless about specific situations of the less popular teams, but this is a pretty well established rule.

Could we possibly have a draft night trade lined up that sorts out all of this mess AND nets us a pick?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

And what I am saying is that Option B could not exist because of the CBA. Like, literally not possible. I dont know how to better explain this to you. You only have so many exceptions, and he will use all of them in Option A, just as he would in a scenario where he wouldn't have gotten Asik. In the scenario where he doesnt get Asik, though, he couldnt have magically spent another 7 mil on players. There would be no exception to make this possible. Even if Benson was begging Dell to spend an extra 7 mil, it just wouldnt be possible.

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Cool. Makes sense.

That would be great if we can get rid of Gordon for a 1st round pick!

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Originally Posted by TheDawg26

That would be great if we can get rid of Gordon for a 1st round pick!

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Supervillain would truly earn his name if he pulled that off...

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Bottom line is we still need to cut salary in order for this to work, so another trade has to be coming, and that this likely won't get finalized until that other trade is made. So July 10th is a possibility for a done date.

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Yep. Been saying that from the second the trade was made. Another shoe will drop and then we can analyze it as a whole.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Yep. Been saying that from the second the trade was made. Another shoe will drop and then we can analyze it as a whole.

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If Gordon is in it, automatic win.

Like when Yugi summons Exodia...

Gordon is the ideal. Stretching Gordon might be 2nd best scenario. There is no debate there.

The debate comes down to Ryno route vs. Rivers route. Ryno route gives you very little flexibility to add depth to roster and even a starting SF. Rivers route forces you to lose Ryno but gives you ability to make roster super deep and even tackle 2015 FA class super hard.

Its a good debate. I am starting to lean towards trading Ryno. Makes more sense for big picture. I just would ideally like for him to go East. I don't want him draining 8 threes on me 3-4 times a year and/or in the playoffs

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think Dell has to look at that. The question is - do you shed a bunch of the smaller salaries like that and just kill your depth, going with a top heavy roster? Or do you move one of the big 5 pieces and keep the guys on really cheap contracts, giving you more depth but perhaps one less piece of top heavy talent.

I think Dell has to explore every avenue to move Gordon, which is slightly harder this morning because they can't attach a 1st round pick to him. Then, you have the debate about Rivers and other cheap talent vs. Ryno.

To me, it comes down to how you feel about Babbitt. Can he give you 70-75% of what Ryno did at 1/9th the price? If he does, should I move Anderson instead?

I just hope it is Gordon. Would make this a perfect week IMO

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As sad as it makes me, we can't gut our bench. I suspect the obvious choice of who gets moved, I just pray they'd rather do something drastic like Stretch Gordon to keep the winning core together.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Gordon is the ideal. Stretching Gordon might be 2nd best scenario. There is no debate there.

The debate comes down to Ryno route vs. Rivers route. Ryno route gives you very little flexibility to add depth to roster and even a starting SF. Rivers route forces you to lose Ryno but gives you ability to make roster super deep and even tackle 2015 FA class super hard.

Its a good debate. I am starting to lean towards trading Ryno. Makes more sense for big picture. I just would ideally like for him to go East. I don't want him draining 8 threes on me 3-4 times a year and/or in the playoffs

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I have to disagree. Ryno is a valuable asset under a reasonable contract. He adds so much to the team that I would hate to lose him.

Calling it now, Jason Smith returns on one year deal after Ryno traded.