2022-23 Offseason Thread

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Free agent center Andre Drummond has agreed to a two-year, $6.6M deal with the Chicago Bulls, sources tell ESPN. The second year is a player option.

? Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 1, 2022

Oh my god Drummond is so damn cheap

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I mean he gets owned by people like Jahlil Okafor man.

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

Old, short, fat, plays no defense. And he still didn't want to come here because we were so bad. Thank god.

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I'm glad that we don't have to depend on Griff to make terrible FA or trade decisions anymore. It was throwing darts blindfold for a hot minute.

The whole trade BI for KD is really weird.

Like how many years do we expect KD to be a better player than BI? Probably Two Max. So silly.

https://twitter.com/gswcba/status/15...1_c10&ref_url=

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Originally Posted by Taker597

https://twitter.com/gswcba/status/15...1_c10&ref_url=

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Ibaka might be the only one worth checking into.

Ibetcha he is

https://youtu.be/vbNEv18UkO0

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Originally Posted by Taker597

The whole trade BI for KD is really weird.

Like how many years do we expect KD to be a better player than BI? Probably Two Max. So silly.

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look at it like this...you have to give the nets a star back in return so the talking heads think ingram is the better star i guess......

i hope we make one small move and get ready for the season.....im praying that we stick with our group....

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Originally Posted by Taker597

The whole trade BI for KD is really weird.

Like how many years do we expect KD to be a better player than BI? Probably Two Max. So silly.

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I can't understand any trade that wants to send any major pieces out. Durant is better than Ingram today but yeah I agree, that won't last too much longer, and Durant is an injury risk at the moment. Trading Zion doesn't really make sense either because although he's also had injury problems, if he works out he's a decade of dominant play in the NBA and Durant is very probably on his last impactful contract (it takes him until his age 38 season).

Now, no Durant trade is going to happen without either Zion or Ingram, but the best package we could put together without either of those two - hypothetically, of course, because it wouldn't be accepted - would include basically every single good thing about this team other than them. Herb, Trey, JV, every pick and every swap from our own stuff, the remaining Lakers picks, the Bucks haul: all of it. Which would mean, basically, that our entire future is completely nuked. And some people say it's worth it because Durant guarantees you a title: does he? He got swept out of the first round in the East this year.

Sure, we'd have more high end talent in the form of Zion and BI, but does that guarantee a title in the West? No! It's selling off the next decade for at best a coinflip chance at a title.

I would hate it. Sure, I'd appreciate the ring, if it came, but the people who want the Durant trade have very little sense of delayed gratification imo. They want it all and they want it now and they don't care if it's going to make them sad for the next 8 years afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I can't understand any trade that wants to send any major pieces out. Durant is better than Ingram today but yeah I agree, that won't last too much longer, and Durant is an injury risk at the moment. Trading Zion doesn't really make sense either because although he's also had injury problems, if he works out he's a decade of dominant play in the NBA and Durant is very probably on his last impactful contract (it takes him until his age 38 season).

Now, no Durant trade is going to happen without either Zion or Ingram, but the best package we could put together without either of those two - hypothetically, of course, because it wouldn't be accepted - would include basically every single good thing about this team other than them. Herb, Trey, JV, every pick and every swap from our own stuff, the remaining Lakers picks, the Bucks haul: all of it. Which would mean, basically, that our entire future is completely nuked. And some people say it's worth it because Durant guarantees you a title: does he? He got swept out of the first round in the East this year.

Sure, we'd have more high end talent in the form of Zion and BI, but does that guarantee a title in the West? No! It's selling off the next decade for at best a coinflip chance at a title.

I would hate it. Sure, I'd appreciate the ring, if it came, but the people who want the Durant trade have very little sense of delayed gratification imo. They want it all and they want it now and they don't care if it's going to make them sad for the next 8 years afterwards.

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The only exciting for me in this KD trade is to sneak in a Graham salary dump at the cost of a 2nd round pick. Maybe get something back would be a huge win.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Ibaka might be the only one worth checking into.

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Actually, I think the guy worth checking out on that list is Jalen Smith, especially if we aren't keeping Jaxon around. Still only 22, he's 6'10" with 7ft+ reach. He looked like a different guy on the Pacers after Phoenix gave up on him. Small sample size, but his 3-point percentage was above 37% and he gave Indy over 13 points and 7 rebounds a game on about 25 minutes a night off the bench. Don't have any idea what the market on him is, but of course Willie should have a good feel for him having coached him on the Suns. He could be a good upside play at a good price if we create some roster room...

Honestly.... Can Mirotic come back... Not the Dollar General version we got to replace him....

So why would the TWolves trade for Gobert? Looks like KAT is gonna play the 4 then.

The Timberwolves are sending Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Walker Kessler, Jarred Vanderbilt and multiple first-round picks for Gobert, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 1, 2022

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

So why would the TWolves trade for Gobert? Looks like KAT is gonna play the 4 then.

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they going with the twin towers....dont think it will work...kat won the 3pt shooting contest and now with gobert he will go for the nba 3pt title...

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

So why would the TWolves trade for Gobert? Looks like KAT is gonna play the 4 then.

The Timberwolves are sending Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Walker Kessler, Jarred Vanderbilt and multiple first-round picks for Gobert, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 1, 2022

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It doesn''t not make sense. KAT's biggest problem has always been his poor defense. Gobert gives him a huge amount of relief in that. Gobert's biggest problem is that he has zero offense outside of about 6 feet of the rim, and KAT may be the best shooting big man of all time and if not, he's top 3. So that creates a ton of space.

Honestly the cost is pretty significant but I don't hate it at all for Minnesota. They're making some moves this year.

Jazz, on the other hand, have shifted Gobert and O'Neale, and are getting a bevy of picks back. They're going to be worse, no doubt in my mind. Do they finish the job and shift Mitchell to Miami, where he's been rumoured to go?

Woj follow up tweet: 4 FRPs! Wow!

I'll just say one thing about Durant. Think of having sex with the hottest girl in the world but you know she has an STD.

We thought Windhorst was just being overdramatic on First Take, but it turns out he was actually just speaking like that because he was channeling the Oracle of Delphi

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

I'll just say one thing about Durant. Think of having sex with the hottest girl in the world but you know she has an STD.

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Why we gotta degrade women to get the point across... They haven't been going through best waves at the moment. Especially, after what Miles Bridges just did to his wife. Tone deaf statement.

I actually love a front court of KAT and Gobert

Love love love it

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Originally Posted by AusPel

I actually love a front court of KAT and Gobert

Love love love it

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It's a really tall starting 5.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

It's a really tall starting 5.

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I don't really know how good the Wolves will be - though I can imagine worlds where they are good - but they're going to be interesting for sure and at least they're going for it. Not sitting on their hands to wallow; getting great players is hard.

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

I'll just say one thing about Durant. Think of having sex with the hottest girl in the world but you know she has an STD.

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STDs are only dangerous to women because of the infertility implications

Guys can get meds and be fine

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't really know how good the Wolves will be - though I can imagine worlds where they are good - but they're going to be interesting for sure and at least they're going for it. Not sitting on their hands to wallow; getting great players is hard.

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Their depth is really bad. Almost non-existent.

Danny Ainge is going to ''almost'' do something with these new picks so many times, it's going to be very funny

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Their depth is really bad. Almost non-existent.

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Oh yeah, and Gobert still is going to have trouble in the playoffs. But it will still be weird and probably sometimes fun if they can work it. I don't think it's a path towards really competing for deep playoff runs but I respect the attempt.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Danny Ainge is going to ''almost'' do something with these new picks so many times, it's going to be very funny

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Look what he's built though

A serious ********ing team

https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/...1_c10&ref_url=


Okay... Maybe Utah is going through a retool.

Utah interested in Ayton.

Minnesota is so stupid. 5 1st round picks.... Wow

I really hope we just sit firm and watch the entire NBA run around doing weird moves. Gobert to Minnesota? Murray to ATL? Sure, why not. Let's send Ayton to Utah, put Mitchell in Brooklyn, get Durant somehow in Charlotte, who cares it's funny

Utah has 6 1st round pick. If they do try to trade Mitchell. They'll be so overburdened with picks that this is absurd.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I really hope we just sit firm and watch the entire NBA run around doing weird moves. Gobert to Minnesota? Murray to ATL? Sure, why not. Let's send Ayton to Utah, put Mitchell in Brooklyn, get Durant somehow in Charlotte, who cares it's funny

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The current NBA is the latter day re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Utah has 6 1st round pick. If they do try to trade Mitchell. They'll be so overburdened with picks that this is absurd.

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Utah turns into OKC. Three years of just doing weird tanking and collecting draft picks

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/...1_c10&ref_url=

Starts to makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

It doesn''t not make sense. KAT's biggest problem has always been his poor defense. Gobert gives him a huge amount of relief in that. Gobert's biggest problem is that he has zero offense outside of about 6 feet of the rim, and KAT may be the best shooting big man of all time and if not, he's top 3. So that creates a ton of space.

Honestly the cost is pretty significant but I don't hate it at all for Minnesota. They're making some moves this year.

Jazz, on the other hand, have shifted Gobert and O'Neale, and are getting a bevy of picks back. They're going to be worse, no doubt in my mind. Do they finish the job and shift Mitchell to Miami, where he's been rumoured to go?

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They're going to have problems with teams with a lot of three point shooting. With us though, this lineup may be be a challenge. We don't have the three point shooting to necessarily make them pay for going with two bigs, and the length will probably bother Zion a good bit. It will also force Zion on Kat a lot, a matchup I'm not sure I'm crazy about. I wonder if they did this move with use in mind?

I can them cashing out Mitchell. Flipping those picks to Ayton and another rising star.... Murray?

The picks going to Utah, per sources: unprotected 1sts in 23, 25, 27, a swap in ‘26 and a top 5 protected in ‘29

— Jon Krawczynski (@JonKrawczynski) July 1, 2022

Ooooooof, unprotected

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

They're going to have problems with teams with a lot of three point shooting. With us though, this lineup may be be a challenge. We don't have the three point shooting to necessarily make them pay for going with two bigs, and the length will probably bother Zion a good bit. It will also force Zion on Kat a lot, a matchup I'm not sure I'm crazy about. I wonder if they did this move with use in mind?

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I can't really say for sure but I do not think they are making movies specifically with countering the Pelicans in mind.

I don't think it will make a big difference though. Zion shreds Gobert - has done since his first pre-season, and they have zero wing depth to stop people getting right to the rack. Gobert's going to be overburdened.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The picks going to Utah, per sources: unprotected 1sts in 23, 25, 27, a swap in ‘26 and a top 5 protected in ‘29

— Jon Krawczynski (@JonKrawczynski) July 1, 2022

Ooooooof, unprotected

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Minnesota's D&D character must have his aggression set to 10.lmao. Probably a barbarian

Oh Murray already got traded. Wild

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The picks going to Utah, per sources: unprotected 1sts in 23, 25, 27, a swap in ?26 and a top 5 protected in ?29

? Jon Krawczynski (@JonKrawczynski) July 1, 2022

Ooooooof, unprotected

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We are in the age of pushing all the chips into the middle

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Oh Murray already got traded. Wild

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Spurs' Murray? That was like 40 days ago

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Originally Posted by AusPel

We are in the age of pushing all the chips into the middle

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Originally Posted by AusPel

We are in the age of pushing all the chips into the middle

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With a core of Anthony Edwards, DeAngelo Williams, KAT, Rudy Gobert, and Kyle Anderson.

Yikes.Such a streaky core

That is an absolutely awful trade for Minnesota. All those unprotected picks plus giving up good role guys like Vanderbilt and Beasley.

Gobert aint worth all that and this doesn't make Minnesota a certified top 4 team.

I just hope Griff stays firm and holds on to the Pels assets for now.

Just an obscene amount of assets for a non superstarish wing

If Minnesota was going to trade 5 picks and a swap. Wouldn't KD been a better deal? KD doesn't have a no trade clause or kicker.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Just an obscene amount of assets for a non superstarish wing

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...wing?

I'm cool with sitting out free agency this year, besides getting rid of Graham and Temple.

I like our squad, and think the 3% will go up to a respectable level with Zion back to draw double teams.

No more one trick pony JJ Reddick, Devonte Graham.types.please.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

...wing?

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I think he meant that you don't give up that much unless.its.a.superstar wing. A center ain't worth that.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Lol yeah Shamit is on a high horse for sure.

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He spends a lot of time up there.