Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

39 got traded, not 42.

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Both got traded. We used neither, both went.

Miller is still out there.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

It has more to do with literary pop psychology than any real world application. Cool things to muse about but doesn't see any quantifiable results when utilized.

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I don't see it as an effective form of behavioral therapy/treatment, but I think it very much has real world application as an analytical tool. I'm not really into post-structuralism, and in any event i don't really think there's much deviation between that and structuralism (if anything i consider it more of an extension than a diversion of structuralism)

Skylar Mayes baby!! DumbA Emmitt Williams should of came back to LSU. I don?t get these kids that have zero shot at being 1st round picks forgoing their senior year to hopefully get drafted at all or end up being signed to a G league squad

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

So, MM had inside info that we traded the 42nd pick way before we traded the 42nd pick and unquestionable facts that our targets were trading up for Haliburton/ Williams or choosing between Bey and Maxey at 13. Maybe his insider is not really an insider or just doesn’t want to give him accurate info.

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He was kind of right about the 42nd pick so I think he knew something. And I think he mentioned we were after Williams but Halliburton was more or less his guy rather than the Pelicans guy. But yeah. I don’t think his information is 100 percent accurate

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Pop psychology =/= literary theory. They are two different fields.

Pop psychology is when someone believes in ''alphas'' and ''betas'' without ever finding out that this entire framework was derived from a study on wolves that was later debunked by its own author as being not even true, for wolves.

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I meant what I wrote. Behaviorsim is the psychology that is being most widely used in therapeutic settings. It is real psychology and is backed by science. Psychoanalysis has been completely debunked. It has no real world use. I've been a therapist for 15 years now and have yet to come across a single sane person who supports it. It's only romanticized by self-proclaimed philosophers and is essentially their version of a "which movie character are you" quiz you'd find in Facebook. 'Literary' because these people tend to be educated and 'pop' because it's just a silly fun thing they're doing that isn't grounded in any real world application. Literary pop psychology.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

See Hall of Famer, Bill Walton.

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That era doesn’t count.

Didn't see the Hornet deal. They didn't like the lower end of the draft did they.

i just read that about Hornets trade. Oh well.

Van Gundy, Griffin, and Langdon will be speaking in 35 mins on pelicans.com

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I meant what I wrote. Behaviorsim is the psychology that is being most widely used in therapeutic settings. It is real psychology and is backed by science. Psychoanalysis has been completely debunked. It has no real world use. I've been a therapist for 15 years now and have yey to cone across a single sane person who supports it. It's only romanticized by self-proclaimed philosophers and id essentially their version of a "which movie character are you" quiz you'd find in Facebook. 'Literary' because these people tend to be educated and 'pop' because it's just a silly fun thing they're doing that isn't grounded in any real world application. Pop-literary.

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I make no claims as to therapeutic usages, I'm not an expert in it and I'm not trained in it. Not debating the literary/philosophical aspects of it (which is actually what I'm trained in, funnily enough) because it's not worth the argument.

I had heard they liked some international bigs. Might go after someone in international leauge. What are Pelicans getting for 42?

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

So, MM had inside info that we traded the 42nd pick way before we traded the 42nd pick and unquestionable facts that our targets were trading up for Haliburton/ Williams or choosing between Bey and Maxey at 13. Maybe his insider is not really an insider or just doesn’t want to give him accurate info.

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He said we were trying to trade up which we most likely were

Griff, please have Killian Tillie on speed dial and use it as soon as the draft is over.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

I had heard they liked some international bigs. Might go after someone in international leauge. What are Pelicans getting for 42?

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ANother future pick.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

I had heard they liked some international bigs. Might go after someone in international leauge. What are Pelicans getting for 42?

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Some future alpha males?

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

So, MM had inside info that we traded the 42nd pick way before we traded the 42nd pick and unquestionable facts that our targets were trading up for Haliburton/ Williams or choosing between Bey and Maxey at 13. Maybe his insider is not really an insider or just doesn?t want to give him accurate info.

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We've never had inside info with this franchise. Just in recent history, the Boogie trade was an absolute blindside. There was never a hint of it. Jrue to the Bucks was never mentioned. The list goes on. It doesn't seem like ANYONE has inside info on the Pels.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I meant what I wrote. Behaviorsim is the psychology that is being most widely used in therapeutic settings. It is real psychology and is backed by science. Psychoanalysis has been completely debunked. It has no real world use. I've been a therapist for 15 years now and have yey to cone across a single sane person who supports it. It's only romanticized by self-proclaimed philosophers and id essentially their version of a "which movie character are you" quiz you'd find in Facebook. 'Literary' because these people tend to be educated and 'pop' because it's just a silly fun thing they're doing that isn't grounded in any real world application. Pop-literary.

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I mean, that statement along with your last post presents a fallacy of logic. If it is even simply applicable to literary theory then it most certainly has real world application. And I'd be wary of confidently declaring most any science as objectively "real", but that's a whole nother conversation that I don't think you'd entertain.

Yeah, it just looks like they just wanted to convert current assets into future currency and stay liquid. I get it. I guess I have a bit of an old fashioned outlook where you build your own talent in your own system, which is why, for example, you set up a G-League franchise. You can always point to a better future, but keeping your options open can become it's own kind of fetish where you're forever two years away from being two years away. That kind of "process" is a deeply unsatisfying experience for most fans, though beloved by quants and analytics mavens for whom the process is the point of being a fan. I'm willing to wait this stretch out as of course we can't know what else may be in the works before the season gets started, but my antenna is up. It's starting feel a bit like the calm assurances of brighter days ahead stretching back to when we drafted Chris Paul...

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Van Gundy, Griffin, and Langdon will be speaking in 35 mins on pelicans.com

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This late at nite?

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Originally Posted by Funcrusher

I mean, that statement along with your last post presents a fallacy of logic. If it is even simply applicable to literary theory then it most certainly has real world application. And I'd be wary of confidently declaring most any science as objectively "real", but that's a whole nother conversation that I don't think you'd entertain.

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Yeah, not worth the argument whatsoever.

Is there any legs to trade talk for Ball after the Lewis pick?

Sixers are gonna be really fun next year.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

Is there any legs to trade talk for Ball after the Lewis pick?

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I heard no such trade talk aside from one post by JJack on here that he later edited to admit was just a joke

The Pelicans have obvious holes at backup forward and center. That is why I was surprised by the trade of 42.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I make no claims as to therapeutic usages, I'm not an expert in it and I'm not trained in it. Not debating the literary/philosophical aspects of it (which is actually what I'm trained in, funnily enough) because it's not worth the argument.

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And I shouldn't have sounded so derisive. Sorry, man. It's like there's philosophical psychology.....which is way more philosophy than it is psychology....and then therapeutic psychology. You guys are talking in one world and I'm in the other.

It's like when Funcrusher is talking about structuralism I'm all....what the what even is that? We don't use that. Lol

Heard talk on CBS and USA Today. They didn't appear to be joking.

Sure but I don't expect Griff is done. There are potential trades to be made (very much doubt we start the year with Bledsoe, Hill, Lonzo, Redick, NAW, and Kira all on the roster: probably at least one is going) and then free agency.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

Heard talk on CBS and USA Today. They didn't appear to be joking.

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There is a draft presser in 20 minutes

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

This late at nite?

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Yes. Just go to the website. Post-draft chat.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

The Pelicans have obvious holes at backup forward and center. That is why I was surprised by the trade of 42.

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I bet we re-sign Jah and maybe even Kenny Hustle.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Yes. Just go to the website. Post-draft chat.

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Found it. Thanks

Reggie Perry from Mississippi State is still out there at center. Might go undrafted.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Yes. Just go to the website. Post-draft chat.

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And you can make up any name at the sign in.

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Originally Posted by Funcrusher

I mean, that statement along with your last post presents a fallacy of logic. If it is even simply applicable to literary theory then it most certainly has real world application. And I'd be wary of confidently declaring most any science as objectively "real", but that's a whole nother conversation that I don't think you'd entertain.

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I think the problem would start with dismissing science and end with promoting literary theory. When I'm working with a sexually traumatized adolescent who isn't able to make connections with others, my go to is going to be something like EMDR that has quantifiable results backed by science as opposed to exploring his consciousness with some debunked theoretocal nonsense like structuralism.

There went Perry.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

And I shouldn't have sounded so derisive. Sorry, man. It's like there's philosophical psychology.....which is way more philosophy than it is psychology....and then therapeutic psychology. You guys are talking in one world and I'm in the other.

It's like when Funcrusher is talking about structuralism I'm all....what the what even is that? We don't use that. Lol

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You should do some research into La Borde. It's an experimental psychiatric clinic in France that's been in operation for decades. Psychotherapist and philosopher Felix Guattari worked there for a long time, and he was one part of the duo that wrote a bunch of really interesting philosophy books alongside Gilles Deleuze, one of which was called Anti-Oedipus, and was an attempt to replace Freudian psychoanalysis with something else that they called schizoanalysis (using schizo in its original ''to split'' definition, rather than a reference to any specific mental health disorder). It's highly divisive, half of the people who read it think it's insane nonsense and the other half think it's genius.

But yeah, people do use some of the philosophy stuff in so called 'real world' applications, even if it's not mainstream.

I think it's important to know your limits. The other thing I'm trained in (after doing my degree in Literature and philosophy) is as a teacher, and at least here in the UK (I can't speak to American teacher training) we do a fair amount of reading into behaviourism, cognitivism, constructivism, cognitive-constructivism, etc, and basically all studies in teaching at least show that behaviourism is unhelpful and impractical in most classroom settings and doesn't lead to positive attainment. That's the background I have when I say behaviourism is debunked: perhaps this is not the case in clinical treatment, I don't know, but I didn't just make it up to be a jerk :hihi:

Lonzo stans arent very happy about the Kira pick. :hihi:

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

Reggie Perry from Mississippi State is still out there at center. Might go undrafted.

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He's got potential. Dude developed more than anticipated in college. That's the type that can do the same in the NBA

Any worth undrafted centers out there? Pending none gets picked in last couple picks.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

Any worth undrafted centers out there? Pending none gets picked in last couple picks.

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Killian Tillie

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Lonzo stans arent very happy about the Kira pick. :hihi:

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In fairness they aren't happy about much.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

Any worth undrafted centers out there? Pending none gets picked in last couple picks.

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Not really. Kaleb Wesson from Ohio State is the only one left that I thought might get drafted.

The Hornets will send a 2024 second-round pick to New Orleans to acquire Kentucky's Nick Richards.

— Rick Bonnell (@rick_bonnell) November 19, 2020

I literally guessed 2024 for one of the seconds, hooray for me.

I swear, if the other one really is 2077...

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Killian Tillie

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Saw him as a PF, but he could play the five.

Well Killian Tillie makes sense as a UDFA for us. A good pick up for a developmental PF

Killian Tillie and Nate Hinton are UDFAs and we should talk to them both.

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Originally Posted by Mount Zion

Saw him as a PF, but he could play the five.

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That's fair.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You should do some research into La Borde. It's an experimental psychiatric clinic in France that's been in operation for decades. Psychotherapist and philosopher Felix Guattari worked there for a long time, and he was one part of the duo that wrote a bunch of really interesting philosophy books alongside Gilles Deleuze, one of which was called Anti-Oedipus, and was an attempt to replace Freudian psychoanalysis with something else that they called schizoanalysis (using schizo in its original ''to split'' definition, rather than a reference to any specific mental health disorder). It's highly divisive, half of the people who read it think it's insane nonsense and the other half think it's genius.

But yeah, people do use some of the philosophy stuff in so called 'real world' applications, even if it's not mainstream.

I think it's important to know your limits. The other thing I'm trained in (after doing my degree in Literature and philosophy) is as a teacher, and at least here in the UK (I can't speak to American teacher training) we do a fair amount of reading into behaviourism, cognitivism, constructivism, cognitive-constructivism, etc, and basically all studies in teaching at least show that behaviourism is unhelpful and impractical in most classroom settings and doesn't lead to positive attainment. That's the background I have when I say behaviourism is debunked: perhaps this is not the case in clinical treatment, I don't know, but I didn't just make it up to be a jerk :hihi:

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Yeah, that's interesting they would say that about behaiorism in education. I wonder if it's because your field would be trying to promote more free thought....so it would be like trying to undo classical conditioning to allow for an untethered approach to education whereas mine is more about trying to develop healthy habits and routines. It would seem like classical conditioning would be beneficial when learning how to study or to prepare for a test properly.

Bucks finish the draft with Sam Merrill at 60. Good pickup for them.