If I remember correctly it 2 off hand finishes in AAU and Arizona over the last two seasons. He also only finished at the rim at a 38% rate in the half court at Arizona. Yikes!!
Printable View
Ive thought this for a while now. He's more fluid and athletic than really..... any of his peers.... that is wings to be had after like the 10th pick.
His freshman numbers are rather similar to Bradley Beal and Victor Oldajipo's freshman numbers.
in fact, they're competitive to Vassell's numbers, ecspecially as a frosh.
but it's not really his production that does it for me; it's in watching him do it. He will be a legit starter somewhere.... book it
but in many ways he bothers me,
like having no left and not being a creator
his low percentages wont be a problem though
Did you watch just his highlight tape? Lol
Ready for the draft lottery so trades can start happening.
Another guy I was surprised with when I watched him, Leandro Bolmaro. But not in a good way.
When you watch his highlights you would think he’s an early pick, but when you really dive into him you see why he isn’t even a sure 1st rounder.
He’d probably be a stash candidate.
Just wanna note that Duke apparently has AJ Griffin and Paolo Banchero, which isn't for this draft, but damn that's gonna be fun. Both super high level prospects.
Good news is we'll know very quickly if we're in the top 4 or not. Either they announce our name 1st or 2nd in the listing. There's a comfort in that. And there won't be any pause.
Here we go.
13
Warriors are looking to trade lol.
Jrue Holiday and Lonzo for Markkanen and Chicago's # 1.
Warriors tank failed
Why? If they give you #2 for Jrue, you gonna say no?
Jrue ain’t never going to have that kind of value again from a contender. It’s crazy to hold on to him with that opportunity to unload him for value.
No. 13 is really no-man’s land for a team like the #Pelicans, already in a tough position to find space for developmental players.
— Jeff Nowak (@Jeff_Nowak) August 21, 2020
But the landscape is set and now the FO really needs to go into the Saints’ toolbox: ID “the guy” and find a way to go get him if you have to. pic.twitter.com/1BMCxy4trf
I'm fine with 13 tbh
To you maybe but there is value there for a team who wants LeMelo like the Knicks.
@Pelicanidae
Any point guard that can drive, shoot free throws well, has a consistent mid range jumper and good handles? (and may be there at 13?)
Grant Riller lol
Older player, he'll be 23, but he's the guy outside of the top 5 that I think is mostly likely to hit NBA primary initiator upside as a guard. 80+% FT shooter last two years, solid passer (though not incredible or anything), mediocre 3pt shooting numbers but that's mostly cause he takes stepbacks, pullups, off-movement, off-screen shots against any defense: will be a good shooter at the NBA level, and a legit pullup threat imo. 40% career shooter on C&S too over the 4 years in college.
Kind of a mediocre defender: okay as a team guy but loses focus easily and is too small at 6'3 (not lengthy) to really guard up much, he's a 2 position defender only at the 1v1 aspect.
Legitimately the best driver and finisher at the rim in this class: he's 6'3 and shot the same percentage at the basket as Obi Toppin, and less than 25% of those shots were assisted. Ridiculous ability to create for himself and finish.
lol, that was... an unmitigated disaster :hihi:
Here's what my plan would be for our picks. For this, I'm assuming that all the consensus top picks (Antman, Okongwu, etc) have gone in the top 10, and that Pokusevski is already gone. Everyone knows I like him if he's still there.
We have picks 13, 39, 42, and 60.
Use 13 to draft Riller
Package 42+60 together to try and get another pick like, idk, 34 or something.
Draft Xavier Tillman or Killian Tillie with one of those early second rounders, whichever one is still there (I feel like one might go late first)
Use the other early 2nd rounder to draft Malachi Flynn
Walk out of the draft a winner
Edit: (I am aware this means drafting 3 rookies, I really do not care if we end up sending Flynn to the G League or whatever for the year lol)
Well I can't talk smack in the "spamming the board with giant pics" department.
In a normal draft I might agree with you but the fact is that this year, it's pretty flat between about 13 until about 30. If you see the guy you like, who you think has the potential to be a legitimately good player, take them where your pick is. Try and get cute, trade down to 21 or something and watch Riller go #17.
If you don't want him then obviously that's fine, but if you do want him and you're trying to be clever, you lose him for essentially no gain.
Usually it's fair to play that game because you have a rough idea of talent tiers where people are going, and you know that someone like Riller is going to go very probably between X spot and Y spot, so you can take that calculated risk. This year, he could go anywhere from 15 to 35, and you have absolutely no way of knowing, because the tiers have basically no definition in popular consensus.
If all of the guys you wanted more (Poku, Okongwu, whoever) are gone, and he's still there at #13, and you want him, take him.
I guess a good corollary here is how last year the Suns took Cam Johnson 11th. 90% of people thought that was a reach, and that he could have been there at 15 or even 20, so the Suns should have traded down and tried to get more value. This is true.
But the reality is that Cam has been really good for them this year and did what they wanted him to do. So even if they didn't max value by taking the risk, can you really say they made a mistake?
Moving up in this draft is such a poor value play unless you think Kira is like, the guy. Like, a top 5 prospect you think you're gonna snag.
In any case, I didn't say we will take Riller that high, he just asked for a player meeting various criteria who would be there at 13, which Riller likely will be. The odds are that Riller will fall in the draft to the 20s or something, just like Clarke did last year, and in a years time people will be running around going ''oh man, how did we let him go that low?''
We have absolutely 0 reasons to take on a salary dump. 0!!!
Guys... Lets just chill... at 13 and draft Okoro/Nesmith.
Not exactly really big on the guards in this draft.
And if both guys are gone by 13? It’s very possible.
And i should revise that. Not a salary dump per say, but maybe a guy that has value but on a bad contract. Like Pelican jokingly said Draymond earlier but I honestly would pull the trigger on him and the #2 pick for any collection of non Zion-BI-Jrue players. I know that's not realistic (Draymond's too good) but something in that vein.