See... you too miss the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by bahmamamba
My point has never been to believe every Laker rumor. Or any rumor! Only that you can't (or rather shouldn't) only believe the rumors that fit what you want to believe. You can't believe AD's dad doesn't hurt the negotiations with the Celtics, but believe the Lakers are hurt because of Lonzo's dad's very similar comments.
And...
1. Ainge still hasn't publicly said anything (I was very clear, intentionally) and was responding to a dude saying Ainge had said this publicly.
2. In the interview that was posted Ainge specifically talks about NOT trading for dudes who won't commit, and implies that if he did it would depend on the package.
3. Ainge has urged the Pels to wait, but if you read the latest Woj article, the Pels aren't sure if Tatum would be in the deal (something I also just posted before it was in the Woj article).
4. Recent reports have also said some in Pels organization want to take Lakers deal (I posted it's probably a toss up whether they do)
I don't know how much clearer I can be.
1. I rank the best possible offers BOS > NYK > LAL
2. Tatum and Zion are the prized assets, but as of now those are not in the deal
3. If you can't get a guarantee on Tatum and Zion (not possible to get a guarantee), the Lakers offer, IMO - and several others within PELS - is that the Lakers offer is not the hot trash you all proclaim it to be.
... how exactly has anything I've posted been wrong? Everyone right now is trying to leverage and spin everyone. Even Woj leads his article with that.
My gripe with yall, is that yall are embracing only the spin that benefits your perspective on what the Pels should do.. to the extent that some of yall who I have more respect/faith in (Mythol) are actually disregarding the actual words that Ainge has said publicly, which indicate he is not willing to part with his best assets without a commitment from AD.
The risk for the Pels in being sweet talked by Ainge... is that Ainge can literally change his mind because of a conversation with kyrie... or if the Knicks pick isn't the leverage we hope (Zion or maybe top 3), he may not feel like he has to offer Tatum. And Ainge has not publicly said anything that would ruin his reputation if he backed away, in fact publicly (with his words) he has signaled that AD's unwillingness to resign gives him an out to not go all in. He'll offer. But not everything.
But hey, if you want me to stop posting I will. But only because it's like beating my head up against the wall and I've definitely wasted too much time already doing that with yall.
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02-04-2019, 10:09 PMNMThreeMVP
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02-04-2019, 10:12 PMPelicanidae
I will add that the funniest thing about these latest Shelburne/Woj tweets is all the salty Lakers fans in the replies.
''Yeah, well if they won't play ball just pull the offer, they won't get better'' looooooool
''Wtf, how can they be turning down the offer, it's like half the team!'' Yeah, and the team isn't good
Literally saw one of them say that they can afford to waste a year of Lebron because ''the Lakers don't play for the playoffs, they play for championships''.
The Laker's need to make the playoffs first, and it looks like they might not. They are legitimately thinking 36 year old Lebron + AD in 2 seasons + Kuzma + Ingram nets them a championship. -
02-04-2019, 10:17 PMHoochican
The Bulls in the mix? Thoughts?
The Pelicans, in town Wednesday, have told teams they don’t plan to trade Davis until the offseason. Word around the league is Davis, who has been out with a finger injury, is more averse to playing in his hometown than he is taking any anti-Bulls stance. – via Chicago Tribune -
02-04-2019, 10:18 PMPelicanidaeHow has you saying you'll stop posting if people can provide you with a source, turned into you saying you'll stop posting ''if you want me to''?Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
I don't know how many times I need to tell you this. If you think you're beating your head up the wall, imagine how I feel. Ainge WILL NOT come out and blatantly say anything about AD because that is tampering and would jeopardise his negotiating position. I cannot get clearer than that. NBA GMs do not just lay out their trade position 5 months in advance. If that is what you need before you take reports seriously, then you just can't speak on anything because you won't any information whatsoever.
The issue of AD's dad vs Lonzo has been addressed, by me, literally three times now in terms of a blatant risk/reward analysis.
AD is high risk and also high reward which makes the risk potentially worth the reward.
Lonzo is high risk and low reward so we should be less willing to take that chance.
You said that people ''are actually disregarding the actual words that Ainge has said publicly, which indicate he is not willing to part with his best assets without a commitment from AD.'' That is just not true. What people are saying is that you're nuts if you expect Ainge to say anything differently. Why on Earth would Ainge, 5 months before a trade can be made, come out and say ''I'm unconditionally willing to give away all of my assets for Anthony Davis''? He would lose ALL leverage he has to negotiate, and would get put over the barrel by any 2-bit GM.
What you're doing is taking the least generous reading of every report, and then using that filter to give the least generous interpretation of anyone's comments, from the most condescending position you can possibly take.
You aren't beating your head up a brick wall, you are the brick wall. -
02-04-2019, 10:19 PMNMThreeMVPKyrie never wanted to be traded to Boston. He did want to be traded to the Knicks. If he thinks the Knicks can build a team around him, he'll go to the Knicks. It doesn't really matter what Boston wants to do or does. If Kyrie says he's going to bounce, AD aint committing to the Celtics, and Ainge certainly isn't trading Tatum.Quote:
Originally Posted by msusousaphone
So we trade AD to the Knicks right? What if the Knicks pick isn't top 3?
All I'm saying is the Pels have some legit concern about that scenario playing out. And in that scenario, the Lakers WILL offer less than they'll offer Thursday.
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02-04-2019, 10:21 PMNMThreeMVPSigh....Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
That's not what I said. I never said provide me with a source... I said show me where Ainge has said that publicly...
This is where I start to get condescending again...
But do people really blame me?!? Yall can't READ. -
02-04-2019, 10:23 PMPelicanidaeI repeat, for what must be the 4th time:Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
I don't know how many times I need to tell you this. If you think you're beating your head up the wall, imagine how I feel. Ainge WILL NOT come out and blatantly say anything about AD because that is tampering and would jeopardise his negotiating position. I cannot get clearer than that. NBA GMs do not just lay out their trade position 5 months in advance. If that is what you need before you take reports seriously, then you just can't speak on anything because you won't have any information whatsoever.
Nobody can provide you with a direct quote of Ainge saying that he will willingly give up every asset for AD unconditionally. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. No GM, from any team, will EVER say that about ANY player.
If that is what you're waiting for before you'll take anyone seriously, then just stop posting and log off because it's not going to happen. -
02-04-2019, 10:25 PMNMThreeMVPI agree. Mythol said Ainge has been very public about this. You and I actually AGREE that he hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
sigh...
When I taught freshmen in college, I used to think I had the heart of a teacher, but I don't know... -
02-04-2019, 10:26 PMPelicanidaeI fear for your students.Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
Ainge has been extraordinarily public for an NBA GM.
Most GMs will not say anything publicly. How much did you hear from the Knicks GM before Porzingis was offered to us? How much are you hearing from Magic about these offers? The answer is absolutely nothing. -
02-04-2019, 10:29 PMMythrol"I don't want to be wrong so I'm going to ask for something very specific so when all the evidence is thrown at me I can still deny it."Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
I specifically said it was reported in the media what Ainge said. You then try and twist that into "Prove Ainge said it publicly." as if Woj is lying. That's, excuse me, a pretty pathetic attempt man. -
02-04-2019, 10:30 PMNMThreeMVP
Let's try this...
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Originally Posted by Mythrol
Ok now me...Quote:
I don't know how many times I need to tell you this. Ainge WILL NOT come out and blatantly say anything about AD because that is tampering and would jeopardise his negotiating position. I cannot get clearer than that.[B][U] NBA GMs do not just lay out their trade position 5 months in advance.
Now you again...Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
Sigh. So you get to be specific. But I can't in response? And also, the Woj report came out AFTER you posted that. And there is still no report that Ainge has said any of this publicly. Which is what you said ---Specifically. And to be fair, their won't be, because he can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
But what he did say publicly contradicts the position that he would give up prized assets for a rental. -
02-04-2019, 10:32 PMMythrol
You accuse people of not being able to read and yet you completely ignore my entire last sentence of the paragraph.
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02-04-2019, 10:33 PMPelicanidaeHow public do you want him to be?Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
You want him to stand on the steps of the Lincoln memorial and proclaim undying affection for AD, and that he will sell his own kidney if only AD will see fit to attend a Boston jersey fitting?
Don't use Mythrol's words against me. I'm not saying that Ainge has come out and personally said these things. He said the things I quoted from that interview, sure, but he has not said anything specific about AD and the trade. He won't.
You see, it's very easy to feel good about your argument when you've assembled your opponent out of contradictory statements made by two separate human beings. Try actually addressing a solid argument from a single person first, and you'll find it a little more difficult. -
02-04-2019, 10:34 PMPelicanidaeI'm gonna go out on a limb and say he's ignored about 90% of what both of us have written.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
The fact that he stills pretends to be baffled by the difference between Lonzo Ball and Anthony Davis when I've explained it in clear, brute fact sentences four times is proof enough of that. -
02-04-2019, 10:39 PMmsusousaphoneConcerned like as in how we're all concerned about the Zombie Apocalypse, yeah.....?Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
But yeah, bro. This much negativity and the bait and troll is too obvious. -
02-04-2019, 10:41 PMMythrolDude I posted TWO separate examples by Woj from last week... You just skipped over all that stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
Woj is reporting this publicly. You can't get more public than Woj getting on ESPN and saying this stuff and tweeting it. And what I said was it all came out in the media. Aka reports. Aka Woj. And surprise... there's like a half dozen things people have posted now providing exactly what I said is true. -
02-04-2019, 10:43 PMPelicanidaeThe mistake you're making is that he doesn't count reports as public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
He wants Danny Ainge to get on ESPN and say ''We are going to get Anthony Davis in a trade and we will give up all of our assets to do it.''
Anything less than that, he won't buy it. -
02-04-2019, 10:44 PMNMThreeMVPhuge difference between Lonzo and AD. No difference between LaVar's recent comments and AD's dad's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
This is starting to feel very Rust Cohle-ish... Time is a flat circle... -
02-04-2019, 10:45 PMMythrolI don't care what he believes. I'm explaining exactly what I meant which should have been clear to everyone and was clear to everyone except him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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02-04-2019, 10:46 PMMythrolThe comments aren't different. The IMPACT of the comments are. This is my entire point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
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02-04-2019, 10:46 PMPelicanidaeI'm a B Theorist.Quote:
Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP
I explained why, even if there may not be a difference in terms of what has actually been said, the impact those comments have is different in both cases. If you think I'm wrong, explain why, but don't just ignore it and then act like you haven't got an answer. -
02-04-2019, 10:47 PMNMThreeMVPWoj reporting something is very different from Ainge saying it publicly. If Woj reported something, with an Ainge quote... that's Ainge saying it publicly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
We should all be able to agree that Ainge has not said anything publicly... because he literally has not said anything publicly. Have none of you gone to journalism school?!? -
02-04-2019, 10:47 PMMythrolWhen MM is the voice of reason you know you've went down a dark path.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
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02-04-2019, 10:48 PMPelicanidaeNo no, I understand you. I'm just trying to delineate exactly why he won't accept that. What you said makes sense, he's just got ridiculous expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
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02-04-2019, 10:52 PMbahmamamba
you're a joke good day sir
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