DeMarcus Cousins? {merged}

I think we should pick up Matt Barnes while we're at it. Tough, experienced vet.

Casspi is underrated in all this. He's worth 15-20 mins per game. Hustles and bustles. Homie balls out without doubt.

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Originally Posted by SilkySlim

I think we should pick up Matt Barnes while we're at it. Tough, experienced vet.

Casspi is underrated in all this. He's worth 15-20 mins per game. Hustles and bustles. Homie balls out without doubt.

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Matt Barnes should not be an option and I doubt he is being considered to be signed here. He helped get DeMarcus get in a well publicized bar fight just a few months ago, and charges are still being processed. He's exactly the kind of player/vet you don't want around Cousins or this young, high character team. And he's not that good at basketball to make it worth it.

My friend got transferred to another city because of his job. He had some things to say. Rough to watch. pic.twitter.com/iBRyMf1UP7

— Carmichael Dave (@CarmichaelDave) February 21, 2017

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https://youtu.be/koJ6ERwSnTM

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Great video. I'm pumped. Let's get CP3 and take this team to the promise land. You never know... if we make the playoffs and give the warriors hell I think we could get CP3. I'm optimistic.


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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Great video. I'm pumped. Let's get CP3 and take this team to the promise land. You never know... if we make the playoffs and give the warriors hell I think we could get CP3. I'm optimistic.


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NOPE, dont you remember CP3's tweet when the Pelicans name was released.

Didnt he say something along the lines of he wasnt feeling it

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

My friend got transferred to another city because of his job. He had some things to say. Rough to watch. pic.twitter.com/iBRyMf1UP7

— Carmichael Dave (@CarmichaelDave) February 21, 2017

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Very humble guy

Guards that the Pelicans will work out this week include Mario Chalmers, Quinn Cook, Reggie Williams and Hollis Thompson, per league sources

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) February 21, 2017

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

My friend got transferred to another city because of his job. He had some things to say. Rough to watch. pic.twitter.com/iBRyMf1UP7

— Carmichael Dave (@CarmichaelDave) February 21, 2017

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Good on him. Hopefully he feels that way about NOLA while he is there

How about Gary Payton II?

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Guards that the Pelicans will work out this week include Mario Chalmers, Quinn Cook, Reggie Williams and Hollis Thompson, per league sources

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) February 21, 2017

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If I had to pick two guys out of that bunch, it would be Quinn Cook and Hollis Thompson.

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Originally Posted by PortPelican

If I had to pick two guys out of that bunch, it would be Quinn Cook and Hollis Thompson.

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Please let it be Hollis Thompson.
I think he can be a very good player.

What about Allen Crabbe?

Portland's trying to save money and/or acquire picks.

Asik, Qpon, T-Jones, protected 2nd for Crabbe works.

Portland saves a little over $30 million and get a pick. We get our SG for the future. I think that's fair for both team.

Jrue/Crabbe/Hill/AD/Boogie that's a young athletic starting 5 that can grow together. All 26 and under.

GP II can't hit open shot right now, which ends discussion right now.

I don't understand, why no one has called up Marcus Georges-Hunt from Celtics NBADL affiliate (well, Heat did called him for a week, but with their abundance of young wings on contracts he didn't have much of a chance): 22 y.o. rookie (will turn 23 in March), fairly athletic 6'5", 220 pounds with 6'9" wingspan and 8'6" reach, so he's a legitimate swingman, capable of playing both spots; .397 on 4.1 3pt and .861 on 4.3 FTA per game, so he's a legit shooter, though percentages drop with transition to NBA, but then again Quinn Cook, who is considered one of the best shooters in D-league only has .366 on 6.4 attempts from 3; averages 4.2 ast./1.9 TOs, so he moves the ball very well (had 22p-10r-13a TD), defense is average, but he works on that end, so with his tools he can't be worse than Quinn Cook at 6'2", 180 and only 8' reach or known defensive sieves Reggie Williams/Thompson Hollis.

Chalmers is obviously a player of different caliber, who you take him over other available FAs, if he's fully back from the injury.

@JarretJack03
Ready to go now everything finally healed ready to get back to work.

Tweet: https://twitter.com/Jarrettjack03/st...758195200?s=09

Jarrett Jack anyone?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

What about Allen Crabbe?

Portland's trying to save money and/or acquire picks.

Asik, Qpon, T-Jones, protected 2nd for Crabbe works.

Portland saves a little over $30 million and get a pick. We get our SG for the future. I think that's fair for both team.

Jrue/Crabbe/Hill/AD/Boogie that's a young athletic starting 5 that can grow together. All 26 and under.

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For a wing Crabbe is a bad rebounder and passer, and with him on the floor Portland is worst defensive team in the league. Without him they are in the early 20s on D. And that's his defense mostly against bench units. Crabbe is a damn good shooter, but if we are talking about tall players, who can really shoot, but do nothing else, Reggie Williams and Hollis Thompson are available for min.salary.

CP would have no choice but to come back with J Jack in the fold.

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@JarretJack03
Ready to go now everything finally healed ready to get back to work.

Tweet: https://twitter.com/Jarrettjack03/st...758195200?s=09

Jarrett Jack anyone?

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So is it even possible for us to land pg13 next offseason?

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According to Mason at BSS we could have roughly ~30m in cap space this summer by trading Ajinca, stretching, Asik, if D.C. Opts out, and a couple of other things.

So, it looks like our time to add another huge piece would be THIS summer before Jrue's deal hits. I don't think we can get PG because we will be capped out by then. But we CAN bring in someone this summer. Now who is the question. . .

You can have Boogie, you can have CP3, but you can't have both.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/watc...ris-pauls-head

People still holding out hope that CP3 will return, huh?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

According to Mason at BSS we could have roughly ~30m in cap space this summer by trading Ajinca, stretching, Asik, if D.C. Opts out, and a couple of other things.

So, it looks like our time to add another huge piece would be THIS summer before Jrue's deal hits. I don't think we can get PG because we will be capped out by then. But we CAN bring in someone this summer. Now who is the question. . .

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Without looking at the details, the only way I can see that happening is if we renounce Jrue as he will have a cap hold of over $16 million.

You don't pay Jrue the max. You let someone else pay him the max, but you don't become that dope. If you will be giving a max to Boogie at some point, and you already have AD up for a max, throwing funny money at Jrue is foolhardy. If you want to give a 3rd big deal give it to someone who is a top tier player.

I'd rather hand the keys to Tim Frazier before I pay Jrue max. Either Frazier or Moore. Just me.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

According to Mason at BSS we could have roughly ~30m in cap space this summer by trading Ajinca, stretching, Asik, if D.C. Opts out, and a couple of other things.

So, it looks like our time to add another huge piece would be THIS summer before Jrue's deal hits. I don't think we can get PG because we will be capped out by then. But we CAN bring in someone this summer. Now who is the question. . .

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Thinf about that is pg13 isnt a free agent til next summer.

Yeah 30 mill for jrue is hard to swallow i'd be trying to trade him right now.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

According to Mason at BSS we could have roughly ~30m in cap space this summer by trading Ajinca, stretching, Asik, if D.C. Opts out, and a couple of other things.

So, it looks like our time to add another huge piece would be THIS summer before Jrue's deal hits. I don't think we can get PG because we will be capped out by then. But we CAN bring in someone this summer. Now who is the question. . .

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Who are the top SG's and SF's on the FA market this summer? Who would be the best fit for what we need?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

According to Mason at BSS we could have roughly ~30m in cap space this summer by trading Ajinca, stretching, Asik, if D.C. Opts out, and a couple of other things.

So, it looks like our time to add another huge piece would be THIS summer before Jrue's deal hits. I don't think we can get PG because we will be capped out by then. But we CAN bring in someone this summer. Now who is the question. . .

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You also have to renounce Jrue, otherwise you have his cap hold.

So if Jrue walks early, you might be able to arrange things so that you have a max or close to max deal you can offer, but I'm not sure who out there is going to be leaving their current team when their current team will have bird rights and can offer more than the Pelicans. If Jrue walks, you're probably looking for a PG. I don't see a realistic target that's better than Jrue. But maybe you go down a tier and split that money between a PG and a wing, but you're probably going to end up overpaying those guys.

My best guess is we roll into 2018 with Jrue/AD/Cousins and then try and flip Moore/Hill and our 2018 on draft night into an upgrade.

The dream scenario for this franchise is to have the 8th seed come down to the wire, barely miss the playoffs while being very competitive, and then luck into a top 3 pick. Then you package that pick w/Asik and Hill (or Moore) for a real upgrade. Now we're cooking...!

But no, the most realistic scenario is resigning Jrue and then using exemptions to fill out roster.

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Who are the top SG's and SF's on the FA market this summer? Who would be the best fit for what we need?

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JJ Redick !! The sharpshooter we need & played while Gentry was Rivers asst.

With the way Jrue has been playing lately, I'd have no problem giving him the max. Assuming he stays healthy and continues to play at this high level for the remainder of the season, I think you have to pay Jrue whatever it takes. I didn't feel this way two or three months ago, but he's been playing at an all-star level ever since the Cavs game. If you don't want us to max Jrue, then give me a better alternative. I sure can't think of any.

MM has said multiple times that we were going to trade our picks for vets, with the intention of convincing Jrue to resign here. Even if it cost the max, I think Dell's plan and number one priority this off-season is resigning Jrue.

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JJ Redick !! The sharpshooter we need & played while Gentry was Rivers asst.

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I'd rather pay significantly less for Kyle Korver. Especially if we still have Moore and Hill on board.

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With the way Jrue has been playing lately, I'd have no problem giving him the max. Assuming he stays healthy and continues to play at this high level for the remainder of the season, I think you have to pay Jrue whatever it takes. I didn't feel this way two or three months ago, but he's been playing at an all-star level ever since the Cavs game. If you don't want us to max Jrue, then give me a better alternative. I sure can't think of any.

MM has said multiple times that we were going to trade our picks for vets, with the intention of convincing Jrue to resign here. Even if it cost the max, I think Dell's plan and number one priority this off-season is resigning Jrue.

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I agree. So I'm just throwing names out there since you asked for alternatives. You could probably throw that money at Kyle Lowrey. Not sure if that's any better than throwing it at Jrue. Or you could also try to get someone like Patty Mills for less than the max, but it would still take a lot to get him away from the Spurs.

I no longer hate the Solomon Hill signing. I think Hill and Moore are perfect for what we need from our 2 and 3. We need defense, three point shooting and players that can move the ball. Hill and Moore fit the bill perfectly. They'll be the 4th and 5th scoring options in the starting lineup, so I think they could thrive in this line-up.

Ofcourse we could always use an upgrade at those two spots, but I'm excited to see those two now with all the open looks they'll get.

You need 30+ mil in cap room to sign a CP3 or a Lowry and 17 mil to sign Jrue. This shouldn't even be a convo

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

With the way Jrue has been playing lately, I'd have no problem giving him the max. Assuming he stays healthy and continues to play at this high level for the remainder of the season, I think you have to pay Jrue whatever it takes. I didn't feel this way two or three months ago, but he's been playing at an all-star level ever since the Cavs game. If you don't want us to max Jrue, then give me a better alternative. I sure can't think of any.

MM has said multiple times that we were going to trade our picks for vets, with the intention of convincing Jrue to resign here. Even if it cost the max, I think Dell's plan and number one priority this off-season is resigning Jrue.

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We may have to. I have a hard time seeing Jrue as a max player though. That would give us 3 players on max contracts 2 years from now. Yikes.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

With the way Jrue has been playing lately, I'd have no problem giving him the max. Assuming he stays healthy and continues to play at this high level for the remainder of the season, I think you have to pay Jrue whatever it takes. I didn't feel this way two or three months ago, but he's been playing at an all-star level ever since the Cavs game. If you don't want us to max Jrue, then give me a better alternative. I sure can't think of any.

MM has said multiple times that we were going to trade our picks for vets, with the intention of convincing Jrue to resign here. Even if it cost the max, I think Dell's plan and number one priority this off-season is resigning Jrue.

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I think this last move that got Cousins was unexpected and overrides trying to keep Jrue or not. Cousins isn't that vet most people had in mind. Unexpected bases loaded home run. It'd be nice if he took less to stay here but priorities have now shifted to balancing the roster --while even possibly signing a player a notch above Jrue. I'd personally hope he stays though.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

We may have to. I have a hard time seeing Jrue as a max player though. That would give us 3 players on max contracts 2 years from now. Yikes.

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That's the cost of doing business.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

You need 30+ mil in cap room to sign a CP3 or a Lowry and 17 mil to sign Jrue. This shouldn't even be a convo

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Exactly. There are no realistic alternatives that are better than resigning Jrue.

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Exactly. There are no realistic alternatives that are better than resigning Jrue.

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None. Especially when the WHOLE POINT of being aggressive at the deadline was to appeal to Jrue!!!

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

We may have to. I have a hard time seeing Jrue as a max player though. That would give us 3 players on max contracts 2 years from now. Yikes.

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And a real good team 2 years from now. If the Jrue we've seen for the last month and a half is what we can expect from here on out, then he's the perfect PG for this team and keeping him allows us to make a move for another talented player before resigning Jrue.

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None. Especially when the WHOLE POINT of being aggressive at the deadline was to appeal to Jrue!!!

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Exactly. I can't see Demps going through all this, just to let Jrue walk when he commands the salary that most of us believe he will command. Dell worked relentlessly to bring in another good player, so he'd have a strong case for resigning Jrue. He pulls off the ultimate trade and now some people think we should let Jrue walk if he commands a max salary? Sorry guys, that's not happening.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Exactly. I can't see Demps going through all this, just to let Jrue walk when he commands the salary that most of us believe he will command. Dell worked relentlessly to bring in another good player, so he'd have a strong case for resigning Jrue. He pulls off the ultimate trade and now some people think we should let Jrue walk if he commands a max salary? Sorry guys, that's not happening.

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I think folks are jumping the gun on that. We've got to let these remaining games play out to see how this comes together.

What do you do if Jrue decides to go back into his shell and becomes passive again? Stops pushing the ball? He's obviously 3rd fiddle now, but he has a habit of playing like the 5th. He got he butt tore up by John Wall twice and never really responded.

Signing Cousins puts him into a more comfortable role as opposed to if they had signed Lopez or Okafor, but he still needs to play like a fringe AS, or better yet an AS for this to work.

I have no idea what actually transpired the other time we had him, but Casspi, the basketball player, should have a place here...

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I think folks are jumping the gun on that. We've got to let these remaining games play out to see how this comes together.

What do you do if Jrue decides to go back into his shell and becomes passive again? Stops pushing the ball? He's obviously 3rd fiddle now, but he has a habit of playing like the 5th. He got he butt tore up by John Wall twice and never really responded.

Signing Cousins puts him into a more comfortable role as opposed to if they had signed Lopez or Okafor, but he still needs to play like a fringe AS, or better yet an AS for this to work.

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I mean, sure, if he reverts back to passive Jrue, then I agree that's not the PG we want, but he's been playing consistently good basketball for long enough now, that I'm starting to believe that this is the Jrue we'll see from now on. If that changes, then my opinion on resigning him would change as well. As of now, it's the best option and has been Dell's priority.

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I have no idea what actually transpired the other time we had him, but Casspi, the basketball player, should have a place here...

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Casspi and Cousins are close. I'm not really sure why the Pels wanted to include Casspi in the deal, but I'm glad they did. I hope we keep him so him and Cousins can still be on the same team.

Well, I guess they wanted to create the trade exception we got. Maybe we felt we needed more consistent shooters. Galloway was a small asset, but still very much inconsistent and was getting a lot of DNP-CDs

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I mean, sure, if he reverts back to passive Jrue, then I agree that's not the PG we want, but he's been playing consistently good basketball for long enough now, that I'm starting to believe that this is the Jrue we'll see from now on. If that changes, then my opinion on resigning him would change as well. As of now, it's the best option and has been Dell's priority.

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It just seems to me they were looking to get AD help down low more than trying to appease Jrue. They needed another big man to stop getting abused on the boards and get AD out of that 5 spot. Mission accomplished in a big way annd the happiest person on this team right now is AD.

Jrue, on the other hand, has got to show some consistency and possibly step up even more. Stakes are higher now. Hopefully a player like Cousins makes it easier for him to do that. If not....

I'm with Lucky, I am not bullish on Jrue. There are so many ways he could go, and they aren't all positive. I would want to see how he finishes out this year before I go long on him. Call it chicken little, or being a pessimist, but I haven't seen enough positive from him to think he is the guy that will be the great 3rd wheel.

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I'm with Lucky, I am not bullish on Jrue. There are so many ways he could go, and they aren't all positive. I would want to see how he finishes out this year before I go long on him. Call it chicken little, or being a pessimist, but I haven't seen enough positive from him to think he is the guy that will be the great 3rd wheel.

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Okay say we don't pay him and let him walk who's your pg if cp resigns with the clippers and Lowry resigns with the raptors? Frazier sorry no we aren't winning much with him as your point

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I no longer hate the Solomon Hill signing. I think Hill and Moore are perfect for what we need from our 2 and 3. We need defense, three point shooting and players that can move the ball. Hill and Moore fit the bill perfectly. They'll be the 4th and 5th scoring options in the starting lineup, so I think they could thrive in this line-up.

Ofcourse we could always use an upgrade at those two spots, but I'm excited to see those two now with all the open looks they'll get.

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This is what I think too especially Hill with his passing

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Originally Posted by luckyman

It just seems to me they were looking to get AD help down low more than trying to appease Jrue. They needed another big man to stop getting abused on the boards and get AD out of that 5 spot. Mission accomplished in a big way annd the happiest person on this team right now is AD.

Jrue, on the other hand, has got to show some consistency and possibly step up even more. Stakes are higher now. Hopefully a player like Cousins makes it easier for him to do that. If not....

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im with you....AD open his mouth up on TV about playing the 5...i do believe that he said something behind close doors too....this was all about getting AD help and if jrue is happy about this move then thats good too........jrue just started playing good about a month ago this season knowing that he is playing for another contract..its like someone had to remind jrue that his contract year is due and he turned the switch on ........the PG has to be the floor general like cp3 and imo jrue is no general.......these 25 games left to get into the playoffs will tell alot about our big 3....

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Okay say we don't pay him and let him walk who's your pg if cp resigns with the clippers and Lowry resigns with the raptors? Frazier sorry no we aren't winning much with him as your point

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come on man,,everyone know in no way in hell frazier will be the starting PG to help AD and boogie succeed if we let jrue walk.....