Pelicans to meet with Tyreke Evans (offer has been made)

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07-01-2013, 02:25 PM
Username

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Originally Posted by tyler

It took him three years to finally get to at least 34 percent

He is showing improvement though
07-01-2013, 02:29 PM
tyler

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

There's some truth to that. Though that was Gordon's rookie year, and he has had a steady decline in his 3 PT shooting with last year being his worst(not counting the 9 games with us in 11/12). Meanwhile Tyreke shot the best percentage of his career. That could be an anomaly, or it could be a sign of things to come.

I personally believe Tyreke will improve his shooting but never be much more than a 33% shooter. Whereas Gordon is probably more like his career average of 36.3%. (These are just my opinions).

At the end of the day, I see them both as more dribble drive SG's than stretch the floor shooters. Tyreke gives you so many other things though that Gordon could never.

And I hate that I have to take this side, because I just said a couple of days ago how I couldn't wait for Tyreke to sign so people would stop bringing him up. Now look at me.

PS- this was a team with Rivers and Aminu at the 2 and 3 to start last season, and Vasquez at PG. You want to talk about poor spacing, lol.

1 Gordon is still not in his prime so you really cant say that
2 watching this dude with the clippers...the dude could actually shoot the ball well... Well enough to as I don't even know why we are even talking about Evans
07-01-2013, 02:30 PM
Bee-Fense

History says it's a lot more likely that Tyreke Evans develops a jumpshot than it is that Eric Gordon stays healthy.
07-01-2013, 02:30 PM
ramsters60

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Originally Posted by tyler

1 Gordon is still not in his prime so you really cant say that
2 watching this dude with the clippers...the dude could actually shoot the ball well... Well enough to as I don't even know why we are even talking about Evans

uuuum, excuse me?
07-01-2013, 02:31 PM
jeeves

people defend gordon, evans is left wide open... seriously, this is being discussed?
07-01-2013, 02:34 PM
GameBreaker

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

My Plan A is acquiring Asik and signing Wright or Budinger.

That's actually a good plan but I'd rather Webster over Wright unless the price gets to high. Still wouldn't mind getting Tyreke and shipping Gordon.
07-01-2013, 02:35 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by GameBreaker

That's actually a good plan but I'd rather Webster over Wright unless the price gets to high. Still wouldn't mind getting Tyreke and shipping Gordon.

If we can ship gordon out absolutely. I am just trying to think of easier achievable options.
07-01-2013, 02:38 PM
Username

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Originally Posted by tyler

1 Gordon is still not in his prime so you really cant say that
2 watching this dude with the clippers...the dude could actually shoot the ball well... Well enough to as I don't even know why we are even talking about Evans

Evans is younger than Gordon and not made of glass
07-01-2013, 02:38 PM
tyler

WHY ship Gordon now... the dude is happy... I mean be honest are ppl curious as to how good a happy Gordon is...
07-01-2013, 02:38 PM
tyler

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Originally Posted by Username

Evans is younger than Gordon and not made of glass

Evans is also not as good either
07-01-2013, 02:39 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by tyler

WHY ship Gordon now... the dude is happy... I mean be honest are ppl curious as to how good a happy Gordon is...

I've been curious for the last 2 years.
07-01-2013, 02:40 PM
GameBreaker

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

If we can ship gordon out absolutely. I am just trying to think of easier achievable options.

That is definitely achievable and not a bad option. I love the idea of Asik playing with Davis and Anderson. There are some great combinations in that trio.
07-01-2013, 02:40 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by tyler

Evans is also not as good either

Comparing both of them 100% healthy you would be correct. But that's the problem you have to factor in gordon's missed games.
07-01-2013, 02:41 PM
Username

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Originally Posted by tyler

Evans is also not as good either

That's true but he is at least playing
07-01-2013, 02:41 PM
Sovereign

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Originally Posted by Bee-Fense

History says it's a lot more likely that Tyreke Evans develops a jumpshot than it is that Eric Gordon stays healthy.

Tyreke plays 64.25 games a season
Gordon plays 59.5 games a season
07-01-2013, 02:42 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by GameBreaker

That is definitely achievable and not a bad option. I love the idea of Asik playing with Davis and Anderson. There are some great combinations in that trio.

Per48 there was no center last year who had more rebounds than Asik.
07-01-2013, 02:43 PM
tyler

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Comparing both of them 100% healthy you would be correct. But that's the problem you have to factor in gordon's missed games.

And Evans can't defend as well as Gordon PLUS reports are Gordon is finally healthy
07-01-2013, 02:43 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

Tyreke plays 64.25 games a season
Gordon plays 59.5 games a season

Bad stat seeing as though a couple years a go the max number of games was 66. Just say how many total games each as missed.

EDIT: I'll do it.

Evans - Total games could have played in: 312, actually played in: 257 = 82.3% play rate
Gordan - Total games could have played in: 394, actually played in: 247 = 62.6% play rate
07-01-2013, 02:45 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by tyler

And Evans can't defend as well as Gordon PLUS reports are Gordon is finally healthy

I'm not buying "reports" until I see him play a months worth of games straight. Evans isn't a bad defender and you can't teach 6'11.5 wingspan. I'm all for keeping Gordon if we can get other pieces at 3 and 5, but I'm not going to act like him missing games should have no effect on the way he is evaluated.
07-01-2013, 02:46 PM
Sovereign

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Bad stat seeing as though a couple years a go the max number of games was 66. Just say how many total games each as missed.

Forget about the lockout.

Freaking owners and players making me look bad
07-01-2013, 02:49 PM
LouisianaPride

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Originally Posted by tyler

WHY ship Gordon now... the dude is happy... I mean be honest are ppl curious as to how good a happy Gordon is...

Dude got mad when we drafted Rivers....we are actually going after people worth a damn. How do you think thats going to go over?
07-01-2013, 02:49 PM
Spaniard

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Bad stat seeing as though a couple years a go the max number of games was 66. Just say how many total games each as missed.

Very misleading considering Gordon has only played an average of 49.4 games a season, NOT 59.5
07-01-2013, 02:50 PM
Bee-Fense

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

Tyreke plays 64.25 games a season
Gordon plays 59.5 games a season

No, Eric Gordon averages 49.4 games per season. Eric Gordon has played in a total of 62% of games possible in his career. He has played 247 games out of a 394 possible.

Tyreke averages 64.25 games a season like you said, but he has played in a total of of 82% of games possible in his career. He has played 257 out of 312 possible.

Showing basic games per season doesn't show the full story (besides having one of your numbers off) because Tyreke has had 1/4 (25%) of his years shortened thanks to the lockout. EJ has had 1/5 (20%).

Tyreke is not iron man, but Eric Gordon he is not.
07-01-2013, 02:51 PM
Jackaveli

RT @sam_amick: Restricted free agent Tyreke Evans (Kings) expected to meet with the Detroit Pistons & Kings today in Los Angeles. Already met with Pelicans
07-01-2013, 02:52 PM
Eman5805

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Originally Posted by jeeves

people defend gordon, evans is left wide open... seriously, this is being discussed?

LeBron is left wide open.

Frankly because it's easier to hope LeBron misses from 3 than to try and guard his drives to the lane. Which, frankly, I'd say Evans is the only person above 6'6" on LeBron's level in getting to the rim and finishing.
07-01-2013, 02:52 PM
tyler

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I'm not buying "reports" until I see him play a months worth of games straight. Evans isn't a bad defender and you can't teach 6'11.5 wingspan. I'm all for keeping Gordon if we can get other pieces at 3 and 5, but I'm not going to act like him missing games should have no effect on the way he is evaluated.

wingspan doesn't mean nothing if he doesn't use it... that's like Thabeet being 7'3 and you saying "you can't teach being 7'3"
07-01-2013, 02:53 PM
CarnbY

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Originally Posted by tyler

And Evans can't defend as well as Gordon PLUS reports are Gordon is finally healthy

That remains to be seen. I'd prefer Gordon if he's healthy, but say we start the season winning 16/20 and then suddenly lose Gordon for the rest of the season... I can't imagine any scenario where we have Tyreke that could make me that mad and disappointed.
07-01-2013, 02:53 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Very misleading considering Gordon has only played an average of 49.4 games a season, NOT 59.5

Yeah I edited my post with % of games possible games played. His stat was very skewed.
07-01-2013, 02:54 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by tyler

wingspan doesn't mean nothing if he doesn't use it... that's like Thabeet being 7'3 and you saying "you can't teach being 7'3"

Why can't he use it? I am starting to wonder if you have ever seen Evans play because he is not a bad defender.
07-01-2013, 02:54 PM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by Username

Evans is younger than Gordon and not made of glass

I'd add cheaper as well.
07-01-2013, 02:54 PM
tyler

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

LeBron is left wide open.

Frankly because it's easier to hope LeBron misses from 3 than to try and guard his drives to the lane. Which, frankly, I'd say Evans is the only person above 6'6" on LeBron's level in getting to the rim and finishing.

Don't ever say that again now you are really over doing it
07-01-2013, 02:55 PM
DroopyDawg

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Originally Posted by tyler

1 Gordon is still not in his prime so you really cant say that
2 watching this dude with the clippers...the dude could actually shoot the ball well... Well enough to as I don't even know why we are even talking about Evans

I see you're backing Gordon 100%, and that's cool, but the problem is even if Gordon shoots 80% from the floor and 60% from 3 point range... the chances of him playing 82 games are ZERO %. The chances of him playing 70 games are about the same. I don't know the numbers... but his injury history says that he'll miss time.

Putting their most current numbers side-by-side... which would you prefer? The dude that puts up those numbers over 70+ games? Or the dude that MIGHT play half of the season?
07-01-2013, 02:56 PM
tyler

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Why can't he use it? I am starting to wonder if you have ever seen Evans play because he is not a bad defender.

yea I have seen the dude play but be honest who defense is better... and its not just about the defense its about his offense too... I just don't think he can stretch the floor like we need
07-01-2013, 02:57 PM
All Metro

If the competition for Reke's services is between us, the Kings and Pistons I think we will win.

edit:

17 teams interested?

http://goldengatesports.com/2013/07/...n=Hot%2BTopics

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While the Kings wouldn’t mind re-signing him at a fair price, the interest in Evans is mounting quickly. James Ham of Cowbell Kingdom reports that as many as 17 teams are looking at Evans.
07-01-2013, 02:57 PM
Eman5805

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Originally Posted by tyler

Don't ever say that again now you are really over doing it

Make a discussion out of it. Who would you put to the list? Durant? Melo?
07-01-2013, 03:00 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by tyler

yea I have seen the dude play but be honest who defense is better... and its not just about the defense its about his offense too... I just don't think he can stretch the floor like we need

I agree that Gordon is the better one on one defender, but the drop off isn't significant enough to make me automatically say we should stay with Gordon. Evans does things better than Gordon on offense and vice versa. It is about who is the better fit for us and who we can rely to be on the floor.
07-01-2013, 03:01 PM
smittywerb

I don't care how much better Gordon can shoot than Tyreke, because at the end of the day, we're paying Gordon a crap load of money to play less than half of the NBA season, rather pay a guy who has some type of talent and will actually see the court for majority of the season.
07-01-2013, 03:01 PM
Spaniard

Let's just re-focus this conversation a little bit. We are talking about outside shooting for floor spacing purposes here. Let's not get carried away into the Gordon is so much better period.

Tyreke was better than Eric Gordon in nearly every single possible statistical way last year. Tyreke had a true shooting percentage of 55.8% vs Gordon's 52.3%, and a PER of 18.16 vs 15.43.

Tyreke is younger, cheaper, taller, injury free, better attitude and on and on.

Now if we want to talk about outside jump shots, I agree that I have more confidence in Gordon. I just don't think it's near the problem, #1, and certainly not a large enough difference to overcome the other 25 things, #2.
07-01-2013, 03:02 PM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by smittywerb

I don't care how much better Gordon can shoot than Tyreke, because at the end of the day, we're paying Gordon a crap load of money to play less than half of the NBA season, rather pay a guy who has some type of talent and will actually see the court for majority of the season.

Thank you. That was my bottom line in my previous post.
07-01-2013, 03:04 PM
tyler

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

I see you're backing Gordon 100%, and that's cool, but the problem is even if Gordon shoots 80% from the floor and 60% from 3 point range... the chances of him playing 82 games are ZERO %. The chances of him playing 70 games are about the same. I don't know the numbers... but his injury history says that he'll miss time.

Putting their most current numbers side-by-side... which would you prefer? The dude that puts up those numbers over 70+ games? Or the dude that MIGHT play half of the season?

Its like this over two years ppl have been defending Ej and now that he has a chance to play with a all-star a person to take the pressure off of him ppl want to move him... the dude is a beast he is really our wild card on the play-offs.... Not to knock off Evans but I really think Ej can finally show us why he is a max player... I mean the dude got invited to become apart of team USA the dude gotta be special... Maybe I am wrong
07-01-2013, 03:05 PM
Eman5805

Eric Gordon's skill isn't the issue. It's his ability to stay on the court and his willingness to even be a part of this organization.
07-01-2013, 03:06 PM
tyler

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Eric Gordon's skill isn't the issue. It's his ability to stay on the court and his willingness to even be a part of this organization.

So you don't think he is happy he has another all-atar???
07-01-2013, 03:07 PM
RaisingTheBar

I don't think that anyone is denying that when Gordon is healthy, he is an all-star talent guy. But the fact is that in the last 2 seasons (148 games) he has played in 51 games.
07-01-2013, 03:09 PM
smittywerb

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Originally Posted by tyler

So you don't think he is happy he has another all-atar???

He wasn't happy with Blake and Blake was playing a WAY more efficient game than Gordon. Still is to be honest.
07-01-2013, 03:10 PM
DroopyDawg

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Originally Posted by tyler

Its like this over two years ppl have been defending Ej and now that he has a chance to play with a all-star a person to take the pressure off of him ppl want to move him... the dude is a beast he is really our wild card on the play-offs.... Not to knock off Evans but I really think Ej can finally show us why he is a max player... I mean the dude got invited to become apart of team USA the dude gotta be special... Maybe I am wrong

I'd love to see what he can do at 100% healthy but his history says that he's not gonna stay that way. And I don't think our opinions matter when it comes to dealing him. If Dell and Monty are trying to trade him, then either EG has asked to move, or the organization has decided to move on.
07-01-2013, 03:10 PM
jhow0036

Jimmy Spencer‏@JimmySpencerNBA6m
Hearing from a trusted source that Tyreke Evans could be signing an offer sheet with the New Orleans Pelicans by as early as tonight

Jimmy Spencer‏@JimmySpencerNBA3m
Also to clarify, he would AGREE to sign the offer sheet. He couldn't officially sign until July 10. Evans meets w/ Pistons and Kings today
07-01-2013, 03:11 PM
HornetGuru

tyreke showed improvements on his jumpshot this year, he just turned 23, his jumpshot will continue to improve over the next couple of years, if he hits his prime at 25 and is shooting around 35% from 3 he would be an absolute steal for 11million a year, he does everything very well.
07-01-2013, 03:11 PM
tyler

So anybody don't think Jrue will take the pressure off of Ej... but hey if we do get Evans then I hope he proves me wrong... but 11 mil for a person that decreased every year from his rookie year is too much..
07-01-2013, 03:12 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

Jimmy Spencer‏@JimmySpencerNBA6m
Hearing from a trusted source that Tyreke Evans could be signing an offer sheet with the New Orleans Pelicans by as early as tonight

Jimmy Spencer‏@JimmySpencerNBA3m
Also to clarify, he would AGREE to sign the offer sheet. He couldn't officially sign until July 10. Evans meets w/ Pistons and Kings today

wow this is awesome.
07-01-2013, 03:12 PM
RAMIL7

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

Jimmy Spencer‏@JimmySpencerNBA6m
Hearing from a trusted source that Tyreke Evans could be signing an offer sheet with the New Orleans Pelicans by as early as tonight

Jimmy Spencer‏@JimmySpencerNBA3m
Also to clarify, he would AGREE to sign the offer sheet. He couldn't officially sign until July 10. Evans meets w/ Pistons and Kings today

I was just about to post this.

Great news if true - Hope the kings don't match

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