Game Thread: Lakers @ Hornets

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Dude please...Vasquez hurt us more than anybody with his ill advised shots

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Who said anything about GV? I havent brought him up at all tonight.

I think the key to the game was Rivers getting hurt, that put everything out of whack. Vasquez had to play the whole second half after that. Plus this game shows me we have to draft Shabazz we need a scorer so bad.

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

I'm as disappointed as anyone else but who honestly wasn't waiting for it? Cause I was. Not sticking up for Monty, but another huge factor was terrible officiating, once again. Austin Rivers was an enormous spark in the first half that we lost access to in the second unfortunately, thus leaving Greivis in the entire 2nd half, this letting Roger Mason get manhandled and throw up his occasional head scratcher. The whole Davis ordeal is really questionable to say the least.

One positive though guys, this was an enormous learning experience:

No matter who's on the court, don't fall asleep on a lead.

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You and I both brother.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Robin Lopez isn't the problem. Dude has been playing way past his contract, and is a top 12 center (in his first year starting).

I like him.

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Indeed. Hell, he's more than exceeded expectations. He's woefully flat footed, but whatever. He's got great size and can get points in the paint in a pinch. But not in the clutch and he will never dunk on anyone. Let alone Dwight Howard. Yet he kept trying. At least points for sticktoittiveness.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

In the friggin' fourth quarter when the game was on the line, buddy. It isn't the quantity of Davis's minutes that is drawing ire. It's the quality.

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Plus the fact that he was the one drawing the fouls on Howard. Only one that was guarding the paint.


I've been a Monty apologist but the last 2 games are enough to get fired. They are both a microcosm of how inept he is at calling offensive plays and rotations. He's always had a problem with his rotations and his play calling that has led us to blowing leads in the 2nd half....an thats going back 2yrs....with less talent than we have now. He has no feel for how to adjust in game....thats something you need to know how to do if you want to be a successful coach.

Enough with the "we're young...we have to learn" BS after games.....what are you learning.....cuz I keep seeing the same mistakes made every game. You sit your best defensive player on the bench in for the entire 4th qtr to play a guy that cant defend the pick & roll to save his ****ing life while Kobe is going nuclear. Its unacceptable and its about time we rethink the direction we're going with coaching.....his calling card is defense but his defense has regressed something awful this season because.....he can't or wont make the adjustments in game.

I'm really mad a this **** man....its embarrassing....and like someone earlier said this is on the same level as a Saints loss....for me its not the 49ers game cuz we didn't lose a lead...we came back and then GW ****ed us over in the last 5min....this is equivalent to the the Saints losing against KC last season at home....we had a 18pt lead in that game at home...decided to take our foot of the pedal with conservative play calling (something that never would've happend if Sean Payton was playcalling) and lost in OT.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

And no Hank Simms? Seriously Monty, what was he brought in for...to look at?

The season is a wash, put all your long term projects on the court, and leave the rest on the bench.

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He must just be a practice body.

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

People are just now seeing what I have been saying for at least a year now . I got flamed alot .. But Monty is clueless on the sidelines . This job is to big for him.

Benson needs to bite it and just pull the plug or else nobody is going to go watch this team play . And Anthony Davis will be walking out the door in 5 years and not looking back

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Man that's still ridiculous thinking. Back off the ledge. Nobody here likes the Lakers but it's dumb to think that we are going to sit here 3 years from now and reflect on how we beat the Lakers in a meaningless season back in 2013. Nobody here is at the practices so nobody knows what Monty's reasoning is. Everyone fails to recognize that this is the same pattern that we exhibited last year.....play games and look really good then lose inexplicably at the end. It got us Davis last year, we will be better off this year in the draft as well.

With the #1 pick in the NBA draft, the New Orleans Pelicans select...

We are almost there (tied for 4th now).

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

For friggin' Otto Porter or Trey Burke? I like those guys alot but they aren't really going to get fans into the arena.

Even in most years, it's no consolation that we're in a better draft slot. Because today's problems can spill over into next season. And teams that annually finish high in the lottery are not teams you wanna be.

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Trey Burke is the truth. His lack of height and elite explosiveness will leave him out the top 5(maybe even top 12), but he is carrying that Michigan team. I have no doubt he'll be an impact player next year.

For me, the most frustrating thing was to hear the game turn into a Lakers home game. I ****ing hate all these bandwaggoners.

Serious question. People like to blame Gordon, and Vasquez, and anyone else they can for their offensive woes.

You take any coach in our division (Popp, McHale, Hollins, Carlisle) and put them in Monty's place offensively, does a guy like Gordon continue to struggle or do things come a little easier?

This was a disappointing loss. . .

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Who said anything about GV? I havent brought him up at all tonight.

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No butur gonna comment about gordon like he cost us the game...when in fact Vasquez hurt us big time down the stretch...so why don't u comment on Vasquez hurting us??

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Indeed. Hell, he's more than exceeded expectations. He's woefully flat footed, but whatever. He's got great size and can get points in the paint in a pinch. But not in the clutch and he will never dunk on anyone. Let alone Dwight Howard. Yet he kept trying. At least points for sticktoittiveness.

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Well nobody else was doing anything.

Maybe he felt inspired by Rivers shooting over Howard.

Great player, great contract, no reason to be traded.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Robin Lopez isn't the problem. Dude has been playing way past his contract, and is a top 12 center (in his first year starting).

I like him.

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Monty put Lopez in an impossible situation . To gaurd Kobe Bryant in a pick and roll switch . Lol ... Lopez had no chance

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

No butur gonna comment about gordon like he cost us the game...when in fact Vasquez hurt us big time down the stretch...so why don't u comment on Vasquez hurting us??

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A lot of things were killing us tonight. GV was one.

There is my commentary on GV.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

This was a disappointing loss. . .

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like getting kicked in the family jewels and hit in the stomach w/ a metal baseball bat at the same time

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

Man that's still ridiculous thinking. Back off the ledge. Nobody here likes the Lakers but it's dumb to think that we are going to sit here 3 years from now and reflect on how we beat the Lakers in a meaningless season back in 2013. Nobody here is at the practices so nobody knows what Monty's reasoning is. Everyone fails to recognize that this is the same pattern that we exhibited last year.....play games and look really good then lose inexplicably at the end. It got us Davis last year, we will be better off this year in the draft as well.

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Hey it doesn't matter who we get in the draft if DA coach doesn;t play him/them down the stretch.

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

Man that's still ridiculous thinking. Back off the ledge. Nobody here likes the Lakers but it's dumb to think that we are going to sit here 3 years from now and reflect on how we beat the Lakers in a meaningless season back in 2013. Nobody here is at the practices so nobody knows what Monty's reasoning is. Everyone fails to recognize that this is the same pattern that we exhibited last year.....play games and look really good then lose inexplicably at the end. It got us Davis last year, we will be better off this year in the draft as well.

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Come on man .. The sample size is big enough . Monty isn't head coach material

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Like I said earlier, but he "does that" for arguably the most important defensive possession of the game?

Monty's just pulling crap from his butt at this point.

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Yes sir. I'll bet Davis could've gotten some fouls on Dwight.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Robin Lopez isn't the problem. Dude has been playing way past his contract, and is a top 12 center (in his first year starting).

I like him.

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In a sense, no he wasn't the problem. It wasn't his choice to play the entire 4th quarter and get torched on the pick and roll.

I don't think any coach could take THIS current team to the playoffs. maybe next year (with the help of some moves), but this year was a growing year.

Gordon might get it figured out. I just hope that it is somewhere else. We got him and it was like taking somebody home after a night of drinking. They are a 10. Next day you wake up, and he/she is missing an appendage ala " I'm Gunna Get you Sucka!"

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Serious question. People like to blame Gordon, and Vasquez, and anyone else they can for their offensive woes.

You take any coach in our division (Popp, McHale, Hollins, Carlisle) and put them in Monty's place offensively, does a guy like Gordon continue to struggle or do things come a little easier?

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Popp would have players moving better off the ball. McHale has forgotten more about post play than any big in the game today will ever know. And our inside out game would be better. Not sure about the others, but Carlisle isn't green like Monty so I have to imagine he's better at putting his players in positions to win, rather than protecting players from failure.

I have never seen a player who almost averages a double double get some much blame for a teams struggles while receiving such little praise as GV

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

Monty put Lopez in an impossible situation . To gaurd Kobe Bryant in a pick and roll switch . Lol ... Lopez had no chance

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Not many guys in the world would have a chance in that situation. No one on this team especially.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

And don't give me some taking out Lopez stuff. There's NOTHING stopped Monty from playing Lopez, Anderson, and Davis at the same time with Vasquez and Gordon.

Force some friggin' match up issues. Be creative.

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Dude I have been saying that since we traded for Lopez! I really can't understand why we can't play Ryno at the 3 sometimes like what we did with Peja all those years!

This game is definitely not the lowest point in the franchise...Lower than being sold to the NBA? Lower than being pimp slapped publicly by Cuban and other owners for trades that we wanted to put into action? Lower than a national tv playoff loss which was the biggest loss marginally ever? Nah.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

A lot of things were killing us tonight. GV was one.

There is my commentary on GV.

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Im proud of u lol. ..I'm very frustrated rt now tho..this game had to be throwed tho just too much goin on at the end for it not to be.. ..we r only 2 games away from being bottom 3 I think it's official after tonight we are tanking and going for the bottom 3....Washington here we come!!!!!

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

I have never seen a player who almost averages a double double get some much blame for a teams struggles while receiving as little praise as GV

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Dude i like Vasquez. He starts on my fantasy team but even i'll say in the last 3 mins of games...he's a bonehead

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Originally Posted by djpaul89

In a sense, no he wasn't the problem. It wasn't his choice to play the entire 4th quarter and get torched on the pick and roll.

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You leave a fat guy at Golden Corral and eventually he will get tired of eating.

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

Yes sir. I'll bet Davis could've gotten some fouls on Dwight.

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Or at least trouble Koby at the rim like Howard did our guards.

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

I have never seen a player who almost averages a double double get some much blame for a teams struggles while receiving as little praise as GV

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it's b/c in close, late game situations... he's done more things to lose the game than win it... 46 minutes of good can be undone by 2 minutes of bad... esp. when it happens over and over again

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Dude I have been saying that since we traded for Lopez! I really can't understand why we can't play Ryno at the 3 sometimes like what we did with Peja all those years!

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Ryno would get abused at the 3 on defense plain n simple man

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Im proud of u lol. ..I'm very frustrated rt now tho..this game had to be throwed tho just too much goin on at the end for it not to be.. ..we r only 2 games away from being bottom 3 I think it's official after tonight we are tanking and going for the bottom 3....Washington here we come!!!!!

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Anyone care to translate this?

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Ryno would get abused at the 3 on defense plain n simple man

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Not against the Lakers... That's the point...

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

I have never seen a player who almost averages a double double get some much blame for a teams struggles while receiving such little praise as GV

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Grevis wasn't even considered a starter for this season by many. He was behind Austin Rivers.

He's been a great fun surprise. He's cheap too. Enjoy him before he leaves.

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

Come on man .. The sample size is big enough . Monty isn't head coach material

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And what's the sample size? Was he not head coach material when we only had Chris and a band of misfits? Was he not head coach material when we played hard and won some good games despite having a team with not an ounce of offensive talent?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

You leave a fat guy at Golden Corral and eventually he will get tired of eating.

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Lol

One thing I'm noticing this year that this team lacks toughness. They're soft this year, we need tougher minded players. Last year we had Landry and Jack who were pretty tough and competitive vets, but now our defense suffers from the lack of and so does finishing the end of games.

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

Man that's still ridiculous thinking. Back off the ledge. Nobody here likes the Lakers but it's dumb to think that we are going to sit here 3 years from now and reflect on how we beat the Lakers in a meaningless season back in 2013. Nobody here is at the practices so nobody knows what Monty's reasoning is. Everyone fails to recognize that this is the same pattern that we exhibited last year.....play games and look really good then lose inexplicably at the end. It got us Davis last year, we will be better off this year in the draft as well.

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Yeah it was cool for one year when Anthony Davis could be your first pick. Now, there is no real number one franchise player in the draft. We could get just as good of a player with the 5th pick. Besides, I'm tired of sucking. How many years are we gonna tank. We ain't the clippers in the 90's.

What about subbing Davis for Anderson (instead of Lopez) in the fourth?

We were getting killed on the pick n roll- Lopez would come up to play the pick, and our rotations were slow either to the rim (Howard on pass, or Kobe on the drive) and to the wing (Meeks/Metta on the three). Davis could have done a better job of closing the lane.

Either way, where the hell was Davis????

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Originally Posted by rt0307

it's b/c in close, late game situations... he's done more things to lose the game than win it... 46 minutes of good can be undone by 2 minutes of bad... esp. when it happens over and over again

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Ill believe when you post data and numbers that back up that claim

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

And what's the sample size? Was he not head coach material when we only had Chris and a band of misfits? Was he not head coach material when we played hard and won some good games despite having a team with not an ounce of offensive talent?

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You consider Jarret Jack, Okafor , Ariza, D. West a band of misfits? Lol

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Not against the Lakers... That's the point...

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What if they put Kobe at the 3?? Nash artest Kobe Clark Howard....then what do u do?

One thing I just realized......I think Monty has gotten exposed coaching. Think about it. His first yr he had CP3 as a PG. He didn't have to learn how to put guys in the best position to win because Chris did that all by himself on the floor. Now that he doesn't have a PG with that kind of BBall IQ he is totally lost when making adjustments....

If CP3 was running point for this team at least 50% of the losses we have would be wins. He's going to have to realize he can't rely on any of these guys to make these critical decisions at the end of games. No top 5 PG exposes his lack of offensive IQ.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Ryno would get abused at the 3 on defense plain n simple man

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Not that much in a zone! I'm not saying he should get most of his minutes at the 3, but sometimes for mismatch purposes. Besides it's not like he's playing that much defense at the 4 either.

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

Ill believe when you post data and numbers that back up that claim

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"In the clutch" stat by NBA.com

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/pla...splitValue=all

Inn crunch time Vasquez's plays drops off a cliff.

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Originally Posted by sterlr

Or at least trouble Koby at the rim like Howard did our guards.

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Right. He could've altered shots at the rim/in the paint. He certainly can't do that from the bench. Unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

You consider Jarret Jack, Okafor , Ariza, D. West a band of misfits? Lol

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I do for Okafor and Ariza!

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Originally Posted by Daneman

What about subbing Davis for Anderson (instead of Lopez) in the fourth?

We were getting killed on the pick n roll- Lopez would come up to play the pick, and our rotations were slow either to the rim (Howard on pass, or Kobe on the drive) and to the wing (Meeks/Metta on the three). Davis could have done a better job of closing the lane.

Either way, where the hell was Davis????

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On the bench.