Game Thread: Hornets @ Spurs {Final Score-SA 106... Hornets 102}

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I don't buy into that thinking. The Wizards are the Wizards because they don't have the talent not because the have a losing culture.

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I live in the DC area been here for 8 yrs.....the MFs have a losing culture....LOL.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

MONTY'S AWFUL!!

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You'll often find it's hard to teach a brick to float.

No. Monty is not as crisp on his game rotation as I wish, but I've seen several mental errors all around the board as well as just a general talent/athleticism gap between us and the elite teams. It's why a move for Cousins, Jennings, and/or Josh Smith doesn't look so bad more than half the time. We'd kill to have an S-Jax or Ginobli as starters and those guys come off the Spurs bench normally.

Gotta have talent in this game to win. Even the most put together team to win a title in the last decade or so had talented players leading the charge. (Detroit)

eric gordon 2nd half stats: 0/3 with 2 turnovers

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

eric gordon 2nd half stats: 0/3 with 2 turnovers

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0-2 with 2 turnovers.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

You'll often find it's hard to teach a brick to float.

No. Monty is not as crisp on his game rotation as I wish, but I've seen several mental errors all around the board as well as just a general talent/athleticism gap between us and the elite teams. It's why a move for Cousins, Jennings, and/or Josh Smith doesn't look so bad more than half the time. We'd kill to have an S-Jax or Ginobli as starters and those guys come off the Spurs bench normally.

Gotta have talent in this game to win. Even the most put together team to win a title in the last decade or so had talented players leading the charge. (Detroit)

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I was being sarcastic btw lol

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Comes down to a lack of basketball I.Q. Our guys are just too stupid. Aminu with 2 goaltends, Vasquez lets Parker do whatever he wants, Gordon overplaying defensively and just running into people offensively. Monty has no clue what he's doing with his rotations. Missed free throws.

Aghh... this is just frustrating. Disgusting basketball.

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I know we had differences and im past that bro.....but what u just said here is exactly what I wanted to write lol...couldnt of said it better :hihi:

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

You'll often find it's hard to teach a brick to float.

No. Monty is not as crisp on his game rotation as I wish, but I've seen several mental errors all around the board as well as just a general talent/athleticism gap between us and the elite teams. It's why a move for Cousins, Jennings, and/or Josh Smith doesn't look so bad more than half the time. We'd kill to have an S-Jax or Ginobli as starters and those guys come off the Spurs bench normally.

Gotta have talent in this game to win. Even the most put together team to win a title in the last decade or so had talented players leading the charge. (Detroit)

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He has a terrible feel for in-game lineups. It seems like his line ups are almost always pre-determined. Sometimes you have to go with your best guys at crucial points in the game. Tonight, it was 8-9 mark in the 4th.

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Originally Posted by LoneyROY7

0-2 with 2 turnovers.

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ah true my bad. pretty terrible nonetheless

lol at McNamara saying Gordon can't carry the whole load based on one game.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I don't buy into that thinking. The Wizards are the Wizards because they don't have the talent not because the have a losing culture.

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Just agree to disagree there, my man.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

That's complete bull. The wizards had the most talent in the league next to Sacramento. They just happened to be low IQ dummies. Wizards problem was never talent.

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Great players are going to be great despite whatever locker room they get dressed in or the name on the front of the jersey.

We aren't breading a losing culture with losses like these. We are learning how not to win sure, but we aren't breading losers. We are young and inexperienced. We will get better and have the coaching to help the players to get there. That is something the Wizards never had.

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

eric gordon 2nd half stats: 0/3 with 2 turnovers

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Gordon's insistance on over dribbling...trying to shake people when its clear he's still not at that point where his speed or handle is 100%....in the second half thats what you saw. Led to costly turnovers. His jumper was falling in the first half don't know why some of these guys start coming out in the 2nd half and totally stope what they were doing offensively which was working. Only thing they needed to adjust was defense. Going to Lopez like 3-4 possessions to start the 2nd half was baffling. Dude is not offensively skilled enough to try and "get him gong" down low against an elite team like the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by LoneyROY7

lol at McNamara saying Gordon can't carry the whole load based on one game.

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Dude did disappear in the 2nd. Not saying its a regular thing, but some times it happens. So many times tonight I wondered why Gordon didn't shoot more, or why Anderson was on the bench. but guys disappear some times.Just move on.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

The guys saying Monty can't manage games need to calm down. Ever been on a Spurs forum? Lakers forum? Bulls forum? Thunder forum?

There isn't a single fan base in the NBA that doesn't complain about their coach's rotations, management, etc.

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Prisoners of the moment, man...

Tonight was a bad game all around, but as a whole we've still won 7 of the last 10 and have beaten some decent teams, including the Spurs.

Spurs made the adjustment and collapsed everytime Gordon drove the ball. Considering Aminu was the other wing on the floor its great strategy and ill be surprised if other teams dont use it.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Great players are going to be great despite whatever locker room they get dressed in or the name on the front of the jersey.

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I think the lakers this year are prime example that you need need the right players more than the best players, pau and dwight both playing like crap and the team isn't winning with 2-4 hall of famers. Great players are not always going to be great, there is more that goes into it

Ill be dam monty needs to atleast change up his staff then cause he needs help point blank period

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Just agree to disagree there, my man.

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I understand the mindset. However Cleveland had a losing culture until LeBron got there we had a losing culture until CP3 got here. OKC was losing in Seattle and at first in OKC until Westbrook, Ibaka, and Harden got there. The talent transcend cultures.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Great players are going to be great despite whatever locker room they get dressed in or the name on the front of the jersey.

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That's some grade A crap you're spewing out of your mouth. Sacramento and Cleveland both has a lot of talent and is still struggling heavily. The Lakers are one of the most loaded team in the league with some of the best players in the league and yet they are losers.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I was being sarcastic btw lol

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Worry not. I caught it. Didn't really acknowledge it, but I certainly did. Hehe.

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Originally Posted by LoneyROY7

lol at McNamara saying Gordon can't carry the whole load based on one game.

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He's in favor of moving Gordon. Gordon's once great attribute was how explosive he was. I hope he hasn't totally lost it. Otherwise, I might start to lean to that side of things as well.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

We will lose games, and we are young. This time next year we will be better. Take your lumps. Grow. And take the lottery pick this year as well as sign a solid fa, and be happy.

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We are young and will lose games but it does not take a basketball genius to figure out the head coach is making so very questionable decisions and it is glaring when it comes to the 4th quarter which is where 90% of NBA games are decided. Tonight the Spurs were without Timmy and Leonard not to mention their head coach who is probably one of the best of all time yet we are out coached. I believe we had enough talent to win tonight but when you see retarded decisions like putting X in the game in the 4th quarter with the game nearly tied you got to wonder what the hell is going on in Monty's brain? When you have GV guarding Parker while our best defender is off on the base line watching Parker take over the game single handily you have to look at your Head coach and question if he knows what he is doing. Can you imagine this type of coaching if this was a playoff game?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I understand the mindset. However Cleveland had a losing culture until LeBron got there we had a losing culture until CP3 got here. OKC was losing in Seattle and at first in OKC until Westbrook, Ibaka, and Harden got there. The talent transcend cultures.

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Not really. We at least made the playoffs with Baron Davis.

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Originally Posted by jgman

I think the lakers this year are prime example that you need need the right players more than the best players, pau and dwight both playing like crap and the team isn't winning with 2-4 hall of famers. Great players are not always going to be great, there is more that goes into it

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Lakers are a strange case. New coach with a completely different system during the season, injuries, a lack of depth, and an old team. Clearly chemistry matters but bad chemistry and losing culture isn't the same. If anything what franchise has a better culture of winning than the Lakers?

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

Not really. We at least made the playoffs with Baron Davis.

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Got promptly owned by Dwyane Wade's Heat, but we made it.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I know we had differences and im past that bro.....but what u just said here is exactly what I wanted to write lol...couldnt of said it better :hihi:

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Everybody gets into tiffs man. No biggie. We're cool.

And yeah... The GSW loss and this loss are 2 really tough ones to take. Same problems both times. I think we should trade Vasquez while his value is at an all-time high, and put all of our eggs in the Brandon Jennings basket. If that fails, draft either Marcus Smart or Trey Burke with our 1st round pick. Vasquez, while he does a lot of good, is just too limited as a player - especially defensively. He puts up a nice looking stat line, but that doesn't tell the tale. Also, he is a major style clash with Monty. Just totally opposite of what he wants in a PG. Can't run the break, doesn't anticipate passes, can't defend, not athletic.....

And no. This isn't a knee-jerk reaction from me. This is something I've proposed for a while now.

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Originally Posted by BuzzmanD

We are young and will lose games but it does not take a basketball genius to figure out the head coach is making so very questionable decisions and it is glaring when it comes to the 4th quarter which is where 90% of NBA games are decided. Tonight the Spurs were without Timmy and Leonard not to mention their head coach who is probably one of the best of all time yet we are out coached. I believe we had enough talent to win tonight but when you see retarded decisions like putting X in the game in the 4th quarter with the game nearly tied you got to wonder what the hell is going on in Monty's brain? When you have GV guarding Parker while our best defender is off on the base line watching Parker take over the game single handily you have to look at your Head coach and question if he knows what he is doing. Can you imagine this type of coaching if this was a playoff game?

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A lot of the open 3s and backdoor cuts for easy buckets were due to the team playing help defense on Parker.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Lakers are a strange case. New coach with a completely different system during the season, injuries, a lack of depth, and an old team. Clearly chemistry matters but bad chemistry and losing culture isn't the same. If anything what franchise has a better culture of winning than the Lakers?

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But great players are going to be great. Stop with the excuses.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

we had a losing culture until CP3 got here.

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No way you don't lose with the rosters we had. Remember Dan dicau, nacbar? Lee friggin nailon. I remember those games I was there.

I kinda saw this coming, though. The Spurs own quite an advantage over our backcourt and with Duncan being out, I pretty much expected a steady diet of pick and roll and drive and kick from them. Which is Lopez's matchup nightmare, so it doesn't shock me to see him as a nonfactor.

Not having Duncan out there practically dictates them to attack our weakness as a team. Vasquez attempting to guard Parker was comedy at its finest.

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Originally Posted by LoneyROY7

lol at McNamara saying Gordon can't carry the whole load based on one game.

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That's lame.... Where did he say that? Gordon has won us many more games than he has lost us this year. He still isn't healthy, and it's noticeable. Guy is only getting like 28 minutes a game or something like that. Once he gets his legs back, he'll be fine. At least his shot is starting to come back.

The Lakers blow chunks....

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

That's some grade A crap you're spewing out of your mouth. Sacramento and Cleveland both has a lot of talent and is still struggling heavily. The Lakers are one of the most loaded team in the league with some of the best players in the league and yet they are losers.

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Every NBA team has talent. Cleveland isn't more talented than most NBA teams. SAC has plenty talent, but they have little chemistry which isn't the same as a losing culture.

You knew the Spurs were gonna clamp down and they did. Woulda been more happy letting Gordon just iso the last 5 mins of the game instead of running the sets we were running, which the Spurs had obviously figured out how to defend.

Watching Vasquez run aimlessly into screen after screen was doing my head in, even at the 3pt line guarding a guy who doesnt shoot the 3 well he doesn't go under the screen. It's pathetic.

Rivers got some unlucky bounces out there today, I like how hes getting into the paint lately.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Got promptly owned by Dwyane Wade's Heat, but we made it.

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That's right. We made the playoffs the first 2 seasons the Hornets played in NOLA (02-03 & 03-04). 04-05 was when the wheels fell off and we drafted Paul.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Ill be dam monty needs to atleast change up his staff then cause he needs help point blank period

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I've said this multiple times....he needs a offensive oriented assistant coach on the bench with him. Monty is good a defense but offensive sets he struggles. Everything seems either really predictable or looks like he's out thinking himself. I mean look at when he inserted Henry.....WTF was that. When was the last time he even played? And you put him out there in the 2nd half...against the Spurs...when your already struggling to score....thats called out thinking yourself. Grasping for straws when all you had to do was put a starter or 2 in the game to stop the bleeding....No switching Gordon onto Parker after the first 5min made you predictable therefore Parker ate him for lunch.....

tough loss in a game we could have easily won down the stretch, but the spurs are 19-2 at home.. big game hosting houston on friday

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

But great players are going to be great. Stop with the excuses.

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So it's the losing culture in Los Angeles that are making the Lakers lose? Because that's what the discussion is about?

And how are injuries an excuse?

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

That's some grade A crap you're spewing out of your mouth. Sacramento and Cleveland both has a lot of talent and is still struggling heavily. The Lakers are one of the most loaded team in the league with some of the best players in the league and yet they are losers.

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Lakers are a prime example of what having a great head coach can produce. I we all thought the lakers would be at the top or close to the top in the Western conference right now but they are a complete mess with a allstar team put together. It's about having a coach with the ability to use the talents he has and a scheme to make them great. I think too many people think another good draft and FA signing will make all the difference, and we probably will win more games but we will never be a contender with the in game management skills I see from Monty.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

That's lame.... Where did he say that? Gordon has won us many more games than he has lost us this year. He still isn't healthy, and it's noticeable. Guy is only getting like 28 minutes a game or something like that. Once he gets his legs back, he'll be fine. At least his shot is starting to come back.

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The ENTIRE load. Please at least put the argument in the best light and then attack it. Tony Parker got his own and created for others in that final stretch, accounting for 10 of the 12 Spurs points in that final run that won it. Gordon can get his own shot and hit at the end of games, but please dont confuse that with the truly elite closers in the league.

It is not an insult to say a player is not elite. He is very, very good. But if you were making a list of top closers in the NBA and you put Gordon in the top 5-8, then you are just being biased and optimistic IMO

I wonder if Cleveland is dumb enough to trade Kyrie Irving for Gordon, Aminu, Lopez, and Vasquez. :huh2:

Cuz if not I got this big cartoon mallet...

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Every NBA team has talent. Cleveland isn't more talented than most NBA teams. SAC has plenty talent, but they have little chemistry which isn't the same as a losing culture.

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You're changing your stance now. First you said Great players are going to take you over the top regardless of the lockroom. Sacramento has been losing for about 6 years now. If that's not losing culture, I don't know what is.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow

No way you don't lose with the rosters we had. Remember Dan dicau, nacbar? Lee friggin nailon. I remember those games I was there.

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Which makes my point. You need the talent to break the losing. My point is we are better off losing games to secure more talent than winning 10-15 extra games for culture sake.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

So it's the losing culture in Los Angeles that are making the Lakers lose? Because that's what the discussion is about?

And how are injuries an excuse?

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Injuries? Kobe injured? Gasol Injured? Howard injured? ok.

Gordon should've had more than 8 shots.

Someone I haven't really heard anyone talk about, our offense fell apart when Greivis decided to drive and score rather than drive and dish.

In the first half Greivis was 2-3 for 5 points, 10 assist, and 1 turnover. In the second half Greivis was 4-10 for 10 points, 1 assist, and 2 turnovers.

Call it hero ball if you want, but Greivis needs to look for others, not himself.



And McNamara is 100% right, Gordon can't carry the load. How many guys are in the NBA that can?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Which makes my point. You need the talent to break the losing. My point is we are better off losing games to secure more talent than winning 10-15 extra games for culture sake.

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Timberwolves has plenty of talent but winning just ain't for them right?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Which makes my point. You need the talent to break the losing. My point is we are better off losing games to secure more talent than winning 10-15 extra games for culture sake.

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I don't care where we end up record wise. But this is a game we should have easily won. That is what is concerning and upsetting.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

The ENTIRE load. Please at least put the argument in the best light and then attack it. Tony Parker got his own and created for others in that final stretch, accounting for 10 of the 12 Spurs points in that final run that won it. Gordon can get his own shot and hit at the end of games, but please dont confuse that with the truly elite closers in the league.

It is not an insult to say a player is not elite. He is very, very good. But if you were making a list of top closers in the NBA and you put Gordon in the top 5-8, then you are just being biased and optimistic IMO

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This kid is in the top 5-8 closers pre injury....he is not there now but he has the potential to get back up there and hasn't hit his ceiling yet of course barring major injury...a healthy and back in shape Gordon is elite my dude sorry

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Someone I haven't really heard anyone talk about, our offense fell apart when Greivis decided to drive and score rather than drive and dish.

In the first half Greivis was 2-3 for 5 points, 10 assist, and 1 turnover.

In the second half Greivis was 4-10 for 10 points, 1 assist, and 2 turnovers.

Call it hero ball if you want, but Greivis needs to look for others, not himself.

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I agree with this post. I thought Greivis far too often tried to carry the team himself. He and Gordon should've basically flipped roles.