Porter could be a nice pickup if he comes for a reasonable price. He will not be able to command what he did in the past.
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Yes my dream for the offseason(well not a total dream, but something that could possibly happen)
We get the 2nd pick in the lottery. We draft Jalen Green to be our starting shooting guard
3 team trade:
OKC: Bledsoe, Taurean Prince, Lakers or Bucks 1st, and a couple 2nds
Cavs: Adams & NAW
Pelicans: Kemba, Nance Jr, & Dylan Windler
Resign Josh Hart & big Willy. Sign Danny Green or the best 3 point shooting wing we can afford
C: Jax, Hernangomez
PF: Zion, Nance Jr
SF: BI, Danny Green, Windler
SG: Jalen Green, Hart
PG: Kemba, Kira
Per Woj,,, Pels got permission to interview Jacuqes Vaughn and Charles Lee
New Orleans has permission to interview Brooklyn assistant Jacque Vaughn and Milwaukee assistant Charles Lee for the franchise’s head coaching job, sources tell ESPN.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 22, 2021
Pelicans should have hired her LAST YEAR! https://t.co/LqL1jNoGwj
— Fletcher Mackel (@FletcherWDSU) June 21, 2021
At least Fletch is consistent.
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I think this conversation is going no where because you need further explanation on why Steven Adams was an overpay.
The Steven Adams trade by giving up a late first is not a big deal (We are terrible at drafting anyway). Steven Adams for one year if Griffin really wanted him not that bad, no flexability lost.
Now the overpay comes when you sign him to the rash extension thinking that his value was going to skyrocket or something. Had we not signed him to an extension this offseason we would have 24 million in cap space. Now that we signed him to the rash extension we only have 7 million and to unload him we would have to give a team a future first or two and probably not even gain any flexability because a team probably would send back an expiring contract. The opportunity cost becomes:
Player we could have gotten with 24 million in cap space, plus 2 (or 3 firsts), george hill, and kenrich williams.
We also probably could have signed him for less than 17 million dollars a year this offseason as well.
Now we are stuck in a situation where we have to unload him, lose our starting center and probably not gain any flexability this offseason.
At the time I was a big skeptic of the extension because Steven Adams really doesn't fit today's game at all.
All that was explained back when the trade was made. And several times again
The issue is that a choice few choose not to acknowledge those things. It has been explained like that in detail and you also even missed a few things. Doesnt matter. People are stubborn
Hire Spoon
My Pelicans plan:
— Fletcher Mackel (@FletcherWDSU) June 21, 2021
1. Hire Weatherspoon
2. Trade Adams & Hart (S&T) to Cavs for Love
3. Trade Bled & 2021 picks 10, 34, 40 to Detroit for Grant
4. Sign Korkmaz 2/$10 mil
5. Re-sign Willy (min.)
Starters: Zion, NAW, BI, Grant, Love
Bench: Kira, Korkmaz, Naji, Didi, Jax, Willy pic.twitter.com/TnoejQmZDr
Adams was already under contract. His was an extension, not a sign and trade. Plus sign and trades have to be at least 3 years in length I believe.
However, I just searched and couldn't find anything regarding restrictions on including other players in the deal of a sign and trade, but I thought I had heard that somewhere that the latest CBA put that restriction in. Maybe I was wrong.
Why the hell does he have us giving up that much for Jeremi Grant? Is Fletch being weird and dumb again or...did Grant have an awesome season and I wasn't paying attention or something?
Time to Google some crap.
Firstly, you can't look at that cap space in a vacuum. This team is not in a position to be carrying $24 mil in cap space around when you have Zion and BI on the roster already. That money was going to be spent somewhere in an honest effort to at least try to make the playoffs. . We already know the alternative was to sign some trash at center (Aron Baynes or Harry Giles according to the sage of stupidity), then use the MLE and BAE to go sign some other "useful" player still yet to be named. The fact that the whining over losing Kenrich in that deal has completely died just shows how unstable this argument is. You're also free to start naming some players they should/could have went after, which will have to include somebody at center.
And that's where this argument dies.
And again, we've already established that this team has lots of flexibility. They still have a number of 1sts to be used as intended. They have a number of 2nds as well (12 over the next 7 years). They still have, yet again, the full MLE, BAE and $4 mil in trade exception money to use this year. I also don't know where you get a $7 mil cap space number from. I'm seeing at least $14 mil projected for next year before any moves have been made.
Griff bombed on Favors (the Pelicans were a storage shelter for Favors so Utah they could afford Bogdanovic in '19-'20). Gave the Pelicans nothing.
Griff bombed on Adams when he attached three picks to the deal and then needlessly extended the Kiwi. I hope Sam Presti at least kissed him afterwards.
Cool. Enough of the whining and complaining. Not everything has been roses, but things haven't been all bad either. We have the 10th pick. Let's speculate from there.
Yep, we've become good at resetting the clock. We did it several times in the CP3 years...we did it several times in the AD years...and coming up is the third reset in the Zion years.
First Griff gave permission to Jrue to be the league MVP and Alvin drove the bus (or was it a bust).
Then Griff traded his MVP and overpaid the Kiwi while bringing the Social Warrior in to coach the team.
Stay tuned for what's ahead in the third reset.
You’re a bore.
Brogdon or Sexton and what kind of packages would it take to get each of them? #10, Bledsoe, additional pick(s ) etc.
Cameron Payne is a Free Agent this summer. Just saying.
Moses moody makes the most sense if they keep the pick
Going to try this one more time because you aren't understanding what we are saying.
Nobody will tell you trading for Steven Adams by itself on a 1 year deal was a terrible move if Griffin felt the need to do it. However if the argument that it is a win now move then it becomes terrible because Steven Adams is not contributing to winning games.
The fail is when you sign him to the extension. Whether we have 7 or 14 million, you don't think we would be better off this offseason having 24 or 31 million in cap space plus be able to go over the cap sign Steven Adams? If you think that Steven Adams plus an MLE player is better than Steven Adams plus a 24 or 31 million dollar player then I can't help you.
The reality is that the team will have to trade him with a first round pick or two to gain cap flexibility because this team is not going to get better by having the MLE or BLE. That's not flexibility especially when you also probably lose Hart and Ball.
Per a source, Boston Celtics All-Stars Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, as well as longest-tenured Celtic Marcus Smart gave Brad Stevens their stamp approval on the Ime Udoka hire. Source said: "Udoka is the guy their main guys wanted and Stevens got him before anyone else could."
— Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA) June 23, 2021
Imagine that. Player input in a coaching hire.
Firstly, this "we" group you speak of is low brow. I have to hit "view post" to see most of them. This team is under no duress to trade Steven Adams this year while giving up more assets. He was not a complete and utter disaster like say...Aron Baynes in Toronto or Harry Giles in Portland. Adams was not even a top 5 reason for the lack of playoffs last year. If they trade him, it will be in 2022 on an expiring contract, which was likely the plan to begin with.
Secondly, if you can't get the current cap space correct, then I doubt you have the alternative correct. Then, there is no guarantee Steven Adams re-signs here. He'd have been a free agent free to choose his own personal best fit, which likely would not have been this unstable coaching environment. So you're left bidding on whatever is left this year. And it looks like this entire FA center class could be signed with a full MLE anyway. So the other option would be to trade for a center, which is what this team would do whether Steven Adams is on the roster or not.
I'll just make those corrections to your argument and move on. I've answered all the other crap 10 times already. This is not a cap space franchise. No worthy, above MLE level FA willingly looks to sign here. This is a horrid FA class on top of that. This team still has plenty of the functional flexibility it needs to improve the roster without trading Adams. The "cost" to get him have been completely overblown by the "we" group because thats what they do. Like fan the flames of stupidity that Dell Demps was about to award Jrue Holiday a 4 year $112 mil contract extension. 8 page thread that was.
We have multiple threads on all the possibilities this team currently has to improve the roster. Franchise isn't restricted due to extending Steven Adams. Go check them out.
Honestly, would we have been much worse off with Baynes/Hernangomez/Hayes? Baynes cost $23 million less last year and $50+ million less over the lives of their respective contracts.
Adams was the highest paid center in the NBA last year. That in itself should be enough to prove how bad a trade it was.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/cap-hit/center/
Even after his salary reduction via extension, he is the 8th highest paid center in the NBA.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings...ap-hit/center/
Good player, but not in this era of the NBA. His skills are not nearly as sought after today as they would have been 5 or more years ago.
However, I agree that we should not overpay to get rid of him. Bledsoe is a more urgent purge needed from the roster.
Baynes was arguably the worst player in the league last season. To Adams' credit, he at least had something to do with Jaxson's development, even if it was entirely indirectly by getting him benched and motivating him that way. If Jax still ends up the same player by seasons end, then sure. It's not like we were making the playoffs anyway, and maybe we scoop up Gafford or Theis in this alternate universe.
Getting rid of Bledsoe is addition by subtraction. Im not a fan of attaching a high value asset (#10) to move him if it means losing a lot of value in the process, but I'd definitely be for swapping him with a 2nd or few for another bad expiring player that is actually a good teammate ala Gary Harris, Aminu, Rubio, Winslow. Even if Bled was able to turn it around for a new team, it wasnt happening here.
The rift between SVG and Griff may have come because of the insistence to give Bledsoe minutes last year instead of NAW. That is my own speculation. I'd rather Bledsoe got the Horford OKC treatment. The only issue is Bledsoe just never looked good enough to sit him and entertain offers until the last few games of the year. If I'm the Pelicans, I market that tape and sit him all year if they can't offload him before the season. His contract is practically around $14 mil in future space.
Again....even if Baynes gave less than Adams did this year.....so what? So we get the 8th pick instead of 10th? Or maybe are worse than Toronto and are sitting at #4 right now. And we also dont have 17 mil on the books next year for a below avg center.
I struggle to see this as a positive point for the Adams camp
Team USA is set. Final spots to Zach Lavine and Jerami Grant? No Zion or BI so they have the full off season to themselves.
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It's past time, MAC, for some people to cut their losses and come to their senses, it's rapidly become a joke. The Adams Warship is a vessel you don't want to take to sea; it leaks like a sieve and you will drown every time. Griff screwed up on Favors two years ago (that was two only draft picks) and he screwed up last year with Adams (that was only three draft picks). The kicker is the extension. Stupid is what stupid is.
I wasnt making a pro Adams argument. I was just saying that Baynes was terrible. I said in the same post we weren't making the playoffs anyway.
The only pro Adams trade argument you could make at this point is that he's made Jaxson Hayes a better player, and it's a flimsy point to make at best.
The Adams trade is only going to look worse if a center is BPA @ 10 and we pass on him.