Pelicans to meet with Tyreke Evans (offer has been made)

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Just off the top of my head his professionalism and leadership. The Kings need both of those qualities far more than they need basketball talent.

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i thought that you thought that vet leadership was overrated??...it does help develop young guys

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Please explain this one :hihi:

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I'm not putting more than a dollar on it, but they may just be desperate enought to try lol. With all the craziness that's that franchise has gone through in the past two seasons, I don't find it that unbelievable anymore.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I would keep Lopez rather than dump him to overpay Evans. I am not convinced Evans at the 3 works well enough to overpay. Lopez is a big body and still young (just turned 25). Dalembert is 32 and a shell of his former self.

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Lopez is okay but the dude doesn't rebound enough for his current pay imo. I would take Dalembert over him easy.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Can you imagine:

Jrue
Reke
Iggy
Davis
Dalembert

What a roster turnaround :hihi: Wow

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go 76ers!!!

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Bynum is done. He has little future left in this league.

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Really? I don't think so. He is only 25. Unless the knee is beyond repair, he will play some role. I would take him at a reasonable salary.

And just for good measure, Bynum is meeting with the Mavs first. So you could be looking at the starting centers in our division as:

Dwight Howard, Adrew Bynum, Marc Gasol and Tim Duncan. We need to play this carefully.

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Originally Posted by The Pelican Fan

Lopez is okay but the dude doesn't rebound enough for his current pay imo. I would take Dalembert over him easy.

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1. Lopez is on one of the best contracts for a starting center in the NBA.
2. He played 26mpg last year and got like 6rpg IIRC, he pretty much played half of every game.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard and Marc Gasol just in our division alone. It's a risky proposition for sure. You have to be able to match up. This is all good and great for the regular season, but if we don't have a big come playoff time, we're going to be hurting.

Shoot, without the Bynum/Okafor mismatch the last time we were in the playoffs, I think we take out the Lakers.

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Doesn't seem to be effecting the Heat? It's all about elite wing players and 3 point shooters (which we will need to add).

Starting C??

Lopez a starting C?? maybe the a bottom Five team

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Doesn't seem to be effecting the Heat? It's all about elite wing players and 3 point shooters (which we will need to add).

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We don't have Lebron, and we don't play in the EC. So no, it wound not effect them like it effects us.

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Originally Posted by kaitos

Starting C??

Lopez a starting C?? maybe the a bottom Five team

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Starting means tops 30 at his position, and I think that description fits Lopez well. He defended pretty well, will do even better without having to make up for Vasquez and his inability to get around screens. Blocks shots and had a limited, but reliable post game. He needs to rebound, but I don't think top 30 is a stretch at all.

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

Starting means tops 30 at his position, and I think that description fits Lopez well. He defended pretty well, will do even better without having to make up for Vasquez and his inability to get around screens. Blocks shots and had a limited, but reliable post game. He needs to rebound, but I don't think top 30 is a stretch at all.

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That's a good point. Just because you're not a GREAT C doesn't mean you're not starting material. Especially at C, the worst position of depth in the league.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

We don't have Lebron, and we don't play in the EC. So no, it wound not effect them like it effects us.

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U think Lopez is going to make a difference against Howard, Pekovic, etc? Davis can handle Marc Gasol and Duncan (only because he's old now), so I'm not worried about them. He's awful at rebounding the ball, and if we have to get rid of him to land Evans (whom I'm very nervous about) and Iggy it has to be done. If we get rid of him to only land Evans, I'll be upset mainly because I'm very iffy about Evans.

Just to be clear, I don't hate Lopez but I don't consider him a difference maker here. Anderson/Davis will be the front court to close out games and they will eat up 70% of the front out minutes anyway.

Upgrading Lopez significantly is not going to be very easy. There just arent very many cost friendly big men on the market that are much better than him.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

U think Lopez is going to make a difference against Howard, Pekovic, etc? Davis can handle Marc Gasol and Duncan (only because he's old now), so I'm not worried about them. He's awful at rebounding the ball, and if we have to get rid of him to land Evans (whom I'm very nervous about) and Iggy it has to be done. If we get rid of him to only land Evans, I'll be upset mainly because I'm very iffy about Evans.

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That's my point. Lopez can't do much against those you listed. Saying Davis can handle Gasol is a huge stretch because he struggled against Duncan last year. In fact we had to put Lopez on Duncan most of the time. Evans has nothing to do this this. Hibbert exposed the Heat's lack of size. They're so talented elsewhere they can do without it, but we aren't as fortunate.

TBH... I think Jason Smith fits the personnel that we're trying to get better than Lopez, but we do need a C with some weight that can bang with the bigs. But Smitty can get up and down the floor, and is nice in the pick and roll/pop game. And he'll swing at some shots in the paint too.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Upgrading Lopez significantly is not going to be very easy. There just arent very many cost friendly big men on the market that are much better than him.

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Agreed. This is why Greg Oden is going to get over-payed.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Upgrading Lopez significantly is not going to be very easy. There just arent very many cost friendly big men on the market that are much better than him.

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Originally Posted by JrueDat

Agreed. This is why Greg Oden is going to get over-payed.

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Yup.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

That's my point. Lopez can't do much against those you listed. Saying Davis can handle Gasol is a huge stretch because he struggled against Duncan last year. In fact we had to put Lopez on Duncan most of the time. Evans has nothing to do this this. Hibbert exposed the Heat's lack of size. They're so talented elsewhere they can do without it, but we aren't as fortunate.

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Davis may have problems this year, but I don't expect us to win a championship this year. I'm saying 2-3 years down the road, Davis shouldn't have a problem playing C against anyone other than the true monsters down low and there aren't many of them around anymore. People keep forgetting, they also have to match up with Anderson/Davis on the offensive side of the ball.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Really? I don't think so. He is only 25. Unless the knee is beyond repair, he will play some role. I would take him at a reasonable salary.

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His knee is beyond repair from what I've heard.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

1. Lopez is on one of the best contracts for a starting center in the NBA.
2. He played 26mpg last year and got like 6rpg IIRC, he pretty much played half of every game.

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He's still a below average rebounder for his position. His rebounding rate was paltry. Plus, he's not a good defender either. He is very efficient offensively for his position.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

TBH... I think Jason Smith fits the personnel that we're trying to get better than Lopez, but we do need a C with some weight that can bang with the bigs. But Smitty can get up and down the floor, and is nice in the pick and roll/pop game. And he'll swing at some shots in the paint too.

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Funny you mention that because I was thinking of our possible bench and we could actually have a pretty entertaining one with him as the center.

Roberts
Rivers
Aminu
Anderson
Smith

All that you said about Smith fits perfectly into that lineup offensively. We can finnaly have the Aminu-Anderson 3-4 offensive swap in which Anderson can play as the sharp-shoring 3 while Aminu can focus on being a running, dunking,rebounding 4. Roberts or Rivers can interchangeably bring up the ball or play off it.

Boy I actually got excited about our bench lol

But Iggy,Evans, and a burly center is needs to happen for this. Smith may become our worst-case starter.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

He's still a below average rebounder for his position. His rebounding rate was paltry. Plus, he's not a good defender either. He is very efficient offensively for his position.

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He is a below average rebounder I will agree.

Is he laterally quick? No. But he is a decent defender and is a great help defender.

If the FO is OK with not landing Evans or Iggy (Unless they can dump Gordon's contract), trade for Asik and call it a day.

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Originally Posted by CarnbY

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Originally Posted by PelicanFever

i thought that you thought that vet leadership was overrated??...it does help develop young guys

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Way I figure overrated isn't the same as useless or undesirable.

I think a sign and trade for Iggy with the Nuggets getting Gordon is prob best for both parties.

Then flipping GV and a maybe a future pick for Evans is a possibility.

Then, if Houston gets DH, we could perhaps flip Lopez and Rivers for Asik.

1. Holiday/Jackson
2. Evans/?
3. Iggy/Miller
4. Davis/Anderson
5. Asik/Smith

That is a sick line-up that contends with any team in the league.

Man who is gonna stretch our floor with reke and iggy on our team... I honestly don't think that's a fair trade straight up for Gordon for Reke but I understand we need to get him out of here...

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Originally Posted by tyler

Man who is gonna stretch our floor with reke and iggy on our team... I honestly don't think that's a fair trade straight up for Gordon for Reke but I understand we need to get him out of here...

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A pairing of Tyreke and Ig makes zero sense to me. Zero.

The only thing I can say is at least they would both play.

I like our roster better with Gordon rather than with Reke

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Originally Posted by tyler

I like our roster better with Gordon rather than with Reke

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+1

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Originally Posted by PelicanFever

i thought that you thought that vet leadership was overrated??...it does help develop young guys

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Overrated =/= useless.

Again it largerly depends on the type of players. I used the example of Cousins and Kidd-Gilchirst. One needs leadership far more than the other.

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Originally Posted by tyler

Man who is gonna stretch our floor with reke and iggy on our team... I honestly don't think that's a fair trade straight up for Gordon for Reke but I understand we need to get him out of here...

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Originally Posted by Smirk

A pairing of Tyreke and Ig makes zero sense to me. Zero.

The only thing I can say is at least they would both play.

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Starting to agree with you 2. With that lineup we would have only 1 player on the floor who shoots over 33% from 3. I think we should get 1 of Evans or Iggy, not both. Need to add another floor stretcher in the starting lineup. Teams will beat us by crowding the paint.

Just to muddy the water. But Evans shot the three better than Gordon last year. I tend to feel better about Gordon shooting well just like you guys do, but that's far from a given. And as has been discussed, Anderson is expected on the court more times than not, giving us Holiday and Anderson to stretch the floor.

I've never been a massive Tyreke fan, but side by side he seems to do all the same things Gordon can do and more.

I more focus on the suffocating defense we would have by now having an athletic 6'4 PG, and an athletic 6'6 SG, to go with two guys I expect to defend as well as anyone at their positions in Iggy and Davis. It would be suffocating. And while $14.5 million and $11 million may not seem like a huge difference, it could be enough to keep a Robin Lopez on the roster. (again, not even mentioning the attitude and knee/injury concerns of Gordon).

What about pairing Webster with Tyreke?

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Starting to agree with you 2. With that lineup we would have only 1 player on the floor who shoots over 33% from 3. I think we should get 1 of Evans or Iggy, not both. Need to add another floor stretcher in the starting lineup. Teams will beat us by crowding the paint.

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Yes... We cant just expect Ryno just to do it by himself we came into this off-season looking for shooters and now that someone put some zirconium in ppl faces (Evans) people wants to go the other way

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Just to muddy the water. But Evans shot the three better than Gordon last year. I tend to feel better about Gordon shooting well just like you guys do, but that's far from a given. And as has been discussed, Anderson is expected on the court more times than not, giving us Holiday and Anderson to stretch the floor.

I've never been a massive Tyreke fan, but side by side he seems to do all the same things Gordon can do and more.

I more focus on the suffocating defense we would have by now having an athletic 6'4 PG, and an athletic 6'6 SG, to go with two guys I expect to defend as well as anyone at their positions in Iggy and Davis. It would be suffocating. And while $14.5 million and $11 million may not seem like a huge difference, it could be enough to keep a Robin Lopez on the roster. (again, not even mentioning the attitude and knee/injury concerns of Gordon).

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Yeah, good thoughts. I think also comes down to what MM has been saying, getting good players, not good pairings or great shooters, etc.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Just to muddy the water. But Evans shot the three better than Gordon last year. I tend to feel better about Gordon shooting well just like you guys do, but that's far from a given. And as has been discussed, Anderson is expected on the court more times than not, giving us Holiday and Anderson to stretch the floor.

I've never been a massive Tyreke fan, but side by side he seems to do all the same things Gordon can do and more.

I more focus on the suffocating defense we would have by now having an athletic 6'4 PG, and an athletic 6'6 SG, to go with two guys I expect to defend as well as anyone at their positions in Iggy and Davis. It would be suffocating. And while $14.5 million and $11 million may not seem like a huge difference, it could be enough to keep a Robin Lopez on the roster. (again, not even mentioning the attitude and knee/injury concerns of Gordon).

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The reason why Ej stats wasn't all that is because he tried to put the team on his back now that we have Jrue he dont need to do as much PLUS (WAIT THERE'S MORE!!!) I think Gordon can be a spot up shooter...

Gordon's made almost as many 3 pointers in one season as Tyreke has throughout his career.

Can we not compare their three point shooting?

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Originally Posted by tyler

The reason why Ej stats wasn't all that is because he tried to put the team on his back now that we have Jrue he dont need to do as much PLUS (WAIT THERE'S MORE!!!) I think Gordon can be a spot up shooter...

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Couldn't that be said for Evans too.....?

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Originally Posted by GameBreaker

What about pairing Webster with Tyreke?

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I think that or Wright should be plan B. I guess Budinger is ok, too.

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

Gordon's made almost as many 3 pointers in one season as Tyreke has throughout his career.

Can we not compare their three point shooting?

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Besides the 9 games 2 years ago, Gordon's lowest season 3pt% was 32.5 and that was last year. Evans highest in his career was also last year and that was 34%. Sooooo yeah no comparion. Also last year was the first year Evans finished above 29% in that category.

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Originally Posted by Username

Couldn't that be said for Evans too.....?

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No:nono:... Cause he cant shoot... he is pretty much a slasher just like Iggy

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Originally Posted by Username

Couldn't that be said for Evans too.....?

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It could be said that the volume difference is Evans knowing not to take noneffective and Gordon too less effective shots.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

I think that or Wright should be plan B. I guess Budinger is ok, too.

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My Plan A is acquiring Asik and signing Wright or Budinger.

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Originally Posted by tyler

No:nono:... Cause he cant shoot... he is pretty much a slasher just like Iggy

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He proved he could shoot the 3 ok last season. I'm not saying he is as good as Gordon at shooting, but he will still probably have better shots with more weapons around him

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Originally Posted by Username

He proved he could shoot the 3 ok last season. I'm not saying he is as good as Gordon at shooting, but he will still probably have better shots with more weapons around him

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It took him three years to finally get to at least 34 percent

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Originally Posted by tyler

It took him three years to finally get to at least 34 percent

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It's worse that that. It took him 3 years to get in the 30s.

like the great Sovereign once said

"Gordon's made almost as many 3 pointers in one season as Tyreke has throughout his career.

Can we not compare their three point shooting?"

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

Gordon's made almost as many 3 pointers in one season as Tyreke has throughout his career.

Can we not compare their three point shooting?

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There's some truth to that. Though that was Gordon's rookie year, and he has had a steady decline in his 3 PT shooting with last year being his worst(not counting the 9 games with us in 11/12). Meanwhile Tyreke shot the best percentage of his career. That could be an anomaly, or it could be a sign of things to come.

I personally believe Tyreke will improve his shooting but never be much more than a 33% shooter. Whereas Gordon is probably more like his career average of 36.3%. (These are just my opinions).

At the end of the day, I see them both as more dribble drive SG's than stretch the floor shooters. Tyreke gives you so many other things though that Gordon could never.

And I hate that I have to take this side, because I just said a couple of days ago how I couldn't wait for Tyreke to sign so people would stop bringing him up. Now look at me.

PS- this was a team with Rivers and Aminu at the 2 and 3 to start last season, and Vasquez at PG. You want to talk about poor spacing, lol.