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Gordon's jumper is non-existent right now.

Also do yall know tyreke evans is havign a rediculous season
15.5ppg-4.5rpg-4apg while shooting an incredible 48% from the field and 33% from 3.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Does PER take into account defense?

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Per is the dumbest stat out there today. Bottom line.

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Originally Posted by Kibner

No stat publicly available does. On an individual level, anyway.

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thanks

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Per is the dumbest stat out there today. Bottom line.

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It is useful when trying to get an idea of how productive a player generally is using box-score stats. Typically, good offensive players that play similar minutes end up with a high PER. If you have a low PER, you are not an effective offensive threat. If you have a high PER while playing a significant number of minutes, you are probably a fine offensive player.

Using it as anything more than that would be a mistake, imo.

darius miller is an assassin, hope he gets a lot of practice this offseason and gets way more minutes next year

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Originally Posted by Kibner

Doesn't seem to help him run a more efficient offense.

NOLA: 106.1 (14th of 30)
MLK:104.2 (21st of 30)

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I'm not blind stat guy. If I want a stat it's supporting what I've seen with my own eyes, not the other way around.

All I can say is, between Gravvy and Jennings, I know who I'd rather with the ball in his hands when its time to win games late.

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Originally Posted by Kibner

It is useful when trying to get an idea of how productive a player generally is using box-score stats. Typically, good offensive players that play similar minutes end up with a high PER. If you have a low PER, you are not an effective offensive threat. If you have a high PER while playing a significant number of minutes, you are probably a fine offensive player.

Using it as anything more than that would be a mistake, imo.

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sounds exactly like GV, he is in fact a good offensive player with his points rebounds and assists, but if it would take into fact his D the scale would tip, i'll take jeff teague every day of the week over GV, he's a better scorer and defender, and quicker

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I'm not blind stat guy. If I want a stat it's supporting what I've seen with my own eyes, not the other way around.

All I can say is, between Gravvy and Jennings, I know who I'd rather with the ball in his hands when its time to win games late.

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How do u feel about jeff teague?

also guys jennings is just 23, cut him some slack

Hornicans 88 - 98 Warriors Final

4th qtr scoring: NOH 18 - 24 GSW

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

thanks

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PER does take into account blocks and steals, but eh. Nothing even close to a useful measure of defense.

The most effective way to measure defense for a player with the stats available to the public is to analyze all the lineups the player played in and against and see how they did versus other lineups tried with and against those same lineups. And even then, you can only (partially) determine the impact of a single player on a single team. Can't really do it to compare players on other teams against each other.

Someone with lots of blocks and steals is probably a good defensive player, but they could still be bad since they gamble a lot. Someone with few blocks and steals is probably a poor defensive player, but could still be a good one if they force their opponent into taking poor shots and making poor passes.

Defensive stats are a crapshoot.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

How do u feel about jeff teague?

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Next to nothing. I haven't seen enough of him.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Next to nothing. I haven't seen enough of him.

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He's an average point, IMO. Just like everyone this board is trying to trade GV for. :shrug: He would probably be a better fit for this team than Jennings or Greivis, though. He resorts to hero ball less often and is a fine defender while still being someone you have to guard on offense.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Per is the dumbest stat out there today. Bottom line.

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Yet, advanced metrics are thrown around here as the end all be all.

i think stats overall are dumb, u have to evaluate a player by who's around him and what he does by watching him honestly, I trust demps to make the right choices.

Statistics together aren't dumb, it's just each different types of statistics tells a different story. The eye test is very important, but statistics are suppose to back up what you see. If you can't, people call it potential.

There's no overall rating stat. You need to use stats and learn to interpret them to get the answer.

If you really know what you're watching most of the time the advanced stats back up what your eyes see.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

If you really know what you're watching most of the time the advanced stats back up what your eyes see.

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Or challenge common conceptions and encourage you to think about them in a different way to see if they still hold true.

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