thanks! I just realized that and its clear now... thanks again
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from the various names Griffin is looking at per MM this guy is not among them, however I very much feel like his is at least worth looking into.... and that would be John Collins...
Jalen Rose mentioned him the other day. I disagree. He's not strong enough to defend inside. I still think one of the two Indiana bigs should be looked at. But if Sabonis, I'd wait until maybe things fall apart in Indiana and they have a fire sale.
I truly hope Griff does not succumb to this media noise and continue to build strategically and not rush into bad deals.
I disagree. I think you look into everyone. I would consider him but only at certain costs - both acquisition wise and salary wise. And he has already let it be known what he wants. He wouldnt sign less than a max extension and Atlanta isnt going to let him walk for nothing. So you gotta give up assets AND give him a bag. Id rather give up more assets for a much better player in Sabonis and pay him way less. Or....go get Siakam for less assets and similar salary
Its not that Collins is bad..its that when i consider all thr options, there are numerous better ones to me
To clarify, I have asked 3 FO guys about the process. Step 1 is always considering nearly everyone. Far more than you think. When the season ends, they dont have 5 guys on their white board, they have closer to 100. John Collins would undoubtedly be on that list for me and I am sure he is for Griff
They approach it more like the NFL draft then. Basically constructing a big board of targets. Makes sense.
Ouch... Ben Simmons probably should not renew his Apt lease
It’s Prime Day. Hopefully Griff. Finds us gems.
I think Shaq would be a good coach.The man speaks the truth
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/...he-locker-room
Imagine what he would have done to Bledsoe
Griffin is working under a timetable here. I don?t call it panicking anymore do I call the situation what it is: Because of a few gambled blunders, he now has to thread the needle.
I think this is split between 2 sides...people who for whatever reason falling for the Disney dream of building a ?I started from the bottom with these guys? dinosaur that is batting .100 in the minors right now in NBA Tournament Edition basketball...
And those that have swallowed the pill and realize we have Zion Williamson right now.
I just hope everybody wakes up before it?s too late.
I would call it becoming aggressive. Instead of letting a deal come to you or putting out feelers and being patient, Griff is going to approach the offseason more like GMs do at the trade deadline, where there is a deadline to get a deal done or you cant make one any more. And for Griff, that deadline is by Draft Night. I would be surprised if he doesnt have a deal done for a starter on or before that night. Just a matter of how good that starter is.
Article from the athletic this morning is speculating that the pacers will move on from Myles Turner this offseason, though I think that has been the speculation for several years. Some pacers fans seem to want to keep him over Sabonis due to defense and versatility. Curious what it would take to get Turner and Brogdan from them and if it would be worth it.
Griff has been offered Turner several times. For nothing. Turned it down every time. Dont know why that would change now
Why draft night? To maximize the value of the pick (Before it?s driven off the lot cliche?)
Which is why Im having trouble why maximizing Zions value seems like an afterthought to so many.
I do get the patience strategy. I mean logically it is the way to go in all cases...but sometimes certain things in the equation give you a larger tolerance to be risky. Zion Williamson on a rookie scale contract is that in my opinion.
Instead of people complaining about his flaws - what I believe should be the best strategy to maximize him as an asset is have 2 genuine max players already to take advantage of his value while he?s not making that salary - which also hides his flaws and keeps the patience of fans intact who?s expectations don?t meet his current cost.
I have no answers. Its mind blowing to me. Outside of Griff liking the "intangibles" Adams brings. Thought toughness was more important than what Turner brings. I would have opted for neither, but considering cost, if I had to choose one I would have definitely gone Turner, if only it was to trade him a year or two later
I understood Griffin on the Adam’s deal. I won’t diss Griffin on that nor do I call it a blunder.
To understand Griffin on the Adams deal is to understand why Griffins a huge fan of Presti.
Adams imo is a school. Just like Horford. Just like Cp3. In my opinion, Griffin understands that the current value on his team is locked up in the front court and Griffin loves examining his locker rooms (Some say he’s too involved). To complain solely about Adams on court production is neglecting why he truly was brought here.
I think all our frontcourt players - all of them except Adams - left this season at a profit. Our front court play over performed imho and I won’t be naive not to shake Adams hand.
In short, Myles Turner is not school.
I love how its a universal consensus that it was a disaster now, when there were like 3 of us killing it that week while everyone else was either saying it was a neutral/not bad, or even some said it was good. People better hope nobody wants to take the time to go dig up the takes on that trade when it happened......
I think this is overselling what Presti did. He got “assets” from Horford in the form of the 16th pick and had to take on a huge liability in return. It’s like getting paid $5 today to get slapped in the face on Friday, but then turning around tomorrow and trading that for another $5 and getting slapped in the face twice on Saturday. Then going around on Friday bragging that you got paid $10 to get someone else to get slapped in the face.
Also CP3 still had value, just that most teams couldn’t fit in his contract.
I think the majority of rational posters thought it was terrible initially (because objectively it was bad value regardless of on the court stuff) and then tried to rationalize to where it would work out in the best case scenario and that's a totally fair reaction that doesnt deserve to be chastised. We could trade Zion for Ben Simmons tomorrow and I'd spend the first week hating on it doom and gloom and then trying my best to be optimistic about it afterwards.
it's just what fans do to stay sane. Especially with this team.
Sounds about right
Pull it up. Didn't like it when it happened. moreso for the cost of getting him and the extension.
https://www.pelicansreport.com/showt...-Steven-Adams/
However, I would think even those that initially liked it could admit it was a disaster in response to those that are still defending it.
Bet a dollar to a donut that Ben Simmons ends up on the Pelican roster next year and Bledsoe will end up on Philly's either permanently or as a pass through. Most in Philly want to keep Simmons less than we want to keep Lonzo.
The crazy thing about it is that Adams and Bledsoe are obviously not good fits together even before the trade. One is a paint statue and the other is a rim runner. That in itself should have been the reason to not make the trade. It’s not like these guys were different players before coming to New Orleans. They performed exactly how someone with basketball knowledge would think they would. Adams comes here and they expect him to be the scorer on the pick n roll because the guards can’t score. When in fact, he has always been a dominant screener for the guard to score and has never been a dominant rim roller and finisher. The use of the two of them alone was absolutely mind boggling, but that’s the story of this franchise.
How was it disaster on an overall value sense tho when I?m saying Adams value imho wasn?t all about on court. His presence on the team to me shaped the quality of our frontcourt in their formative years. Looking back - it what was had to be done.
Guys and talking picks and who we got rid of, who came in...but you can?t put a value on school.
Outside of the cost which could have been Jeryl Sasser as much as it could have been Draymond, I?m glad Griffin paid a price for our pups to go to school. I?m not regretting it if Zion, Hayes, BI, improved with him around.
Your argument only holds water if we couldnt have gotten that same "schooling" from guys with little to no acquisition cost. Other teams, like Memphis and OKC, have gotten that same schooling and presence from guys for nothing or actually received assets to take
Again, what EXACTLY, was the "overpay" for Adams? Enumerate or stipulate the "overpay." Thanks.
FYI...the odds of Zion signing his rookie max extension here are 99.99%.
The odds of Zion signing his designated rookie max here is 99.9999999999% if he makes All-NBA next year.
Just would like to point that out among rumorville cultists also.
So much wrong here.....per usual. Wont explain the Adams thing for the 1000th time. I will allow someone else to do it. But you dont understand the ALL NBA rule with Zion, even though I wrote an entire detailed post on it. Zion making All NBA next year literally has zero impact on the contract we can offer him next summer
Nobody can measure it. And thats why people will always be able to make these vague arguments about this great value Adams have that cant be proved or measured. Its actually an enviable position to be in. You can just point to this phantom leadership and I cant argue against it. Cant disprove it. I actually envy your position.
But how do you automatically give the credit to Adams? Where is the evidence? You are absolutely sure that if they bring in Aron Baynes for 7 mil and no assets, they would have been different players?
I just dont buy it. I see OKC and Memphis getting incentivized to take on vets and those guys being tremendous leaders for their young guys. I think the Adams trade was awful and since a fan never wants to admit something was a total lose, you hang on to this vague "leadership" boost he gave, yet can never prove it. But, you're right - I cant disprove it either
The exact rules around the designated extension for ALL to see:
Ok so if he makes All-NBA in year 4, there is a 99.999999999% chance he signs his designated extension. THere is also a 99.999% chance he signs it even if he doesn't. That fact remains.Quote:
When a player was eligible for his rookie extension, teams were allowed to offer the player up to 30% of the salary cap for a single season as the max contract if the player had been voted an All-Star starter twice, made an All-NBA team twice or won the league MVP. Prior to this, teams could not offer more than 25% of the salary cap on an extension to a player with so few years of service in the league. The rule was slightly adjusted with the most recent CBA so that a player is eligible if he makes an All-NBA team or wins Defensive Player of the Year in the season preceding the first season on the extension or in any two of the three seasons preceding the extension, or if the player wins MVP in any of the three seasons preceding the extension.
The bottom line is, he has about 5 options, and simply playing on the QO in year 4 is at the complete bottom of the totem pole. It's not going to happen. It won't for Doncic either. The point still remains.
As for Steven Adams...still waiting on the exact overpay. What I've heard so far is basically we gave up a young promising player in Kenrich Williams...whom has already been replaced by a guy whom I was told "will be forgotten about in 2 years" by a resident sage. What else?